Unluckiest Character in Mahabharat? - Page 4

Originally posted by: CaptainSpark

He was not insulted at all. Also about no major fault, he is equally or infact in Dyut Sabha much more adharmi than Duryodhan or Shakuni.

Really? Wasn't he insulted in Draupadi swayamvar? Wasn't he denied the right to fight Arjun in rangabhoomi? Wasn't he denied shiksha?

And Dyuta comes much later. He was insulted at every step in his life till Duryodhan made him Angaraj.

Originally posted by: Mannmohanaa

Really? Wasn't he insulted in Draupadi swayamvar? Wasn't he denied the right to fight Arjun in rangabhoomi? Wasn't he denied shiksha?

And Dyuta comes much later. He was insulted at every step in his life till Duryodhan made him Angaraj.

No he was not insulted in drapaudi Swamyvaar he lost

And no he was not denied shiksha he was very much drona s student.

Originally posted by: CaptainSpark

I mean compared to Duryodhan 😆

Haan waise alag baat hai

Originally posted by: Poorabhforever

No he was not insulted in drapaudi Swamyvaar he lost

And no he was not denied shiksha he was very much drona s student.

Difficult to believe this but I'll rest it here cause I don't have this great a knowledge of the text.

Originally posted by: Mannmohanaa

Really? Wasn't he insulted in Draupadi swayamvar? Wasn't he denied the right to fight Arjun in rangabhoomi? Wasn't he denied shiksha?

And Dyuta comes much later. He was insulted at every step in his life till Duryodhan made him Angaraj.

Draupadi's Swayamvar - Most versions state he was not able to string the bow.

Now, that convocation was a for KURU PRINCES, I do not see how a random outsider can come and say hey i am better than you and get the right to fight there. I think I am better than you and your brothers at something. Can I go to your house and say listen i am better i will fight? What is the logic here?

He was never denied shikhsha. Drona taught him everything and only refused when he said he wants the Brahmastra to kill Arjun. If today you go ask for a gun to kill a random person unprovoked then you will be reliable to punishment. Same with Karna, Drona while reaching Brahmastra to Arjun mentions how dangerous and important it is. I don't blame him for not giving it to someone who wanted it just to kill Arjun.

Originally posted by: Mannmohanaa

Difficult to believe this but I'll rest it here cause I don't have this great a knowledge of the text.

Drona's student:

Then Drona endued with great prowess taught the sons of Pandu (the use of) many weapon both celestial and human. And, O bull of the Bharata race, many other princes also flocked to that best of Brahmanas for instruction in arms. The Vrishnis and the Andhakas, and princes from various lands, and the (adopted) son of Radha of the Suta caste, (Karna), all became pupils of Drona. But of them all, the Suta child Karna, from jealousy, frequently defied Arjuna, and supported by Duryodhana, used to disregard the Pandavas.

https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m01/m01135.htm

Originally posted by: CaptainSpark

Drona's student:

Then Drona endued with great prowess taught the sons of Pandu (the use of) many weapon both celestial and human. And, O bull of the Bharata race, many other princes also flocked to that best of Brahmanas for instruction in arms. The Vrishnis and the Andhakas, and princes from various lands, and the (adopted) son of Radha of the Suta caste, (Karna), all became pupils of Drona. But of them all, the Suta child Karna, from jealousy, frequently defied Arjuna, and supported by Duryodhana, used to disregard the Pandavas.

https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m01/m01135.htm

Were Karna n Duryodhan childhood friends? Or was Karna originally a Chamcha type for Duryodhan who later metamorphed to a friend

Originally posted by: Mannmohanaa

Really? Wasn't he insulted in Draupadi swayamvar? Wasn't he denied the right to fight Arjun in rangabhoomi? Wasn't he denied shiksha?

And Dyuta comes much later. He was insulted at every step in his life till Duryodhan made him Angaraj.

Suta wasn't a low charioteer caste as shown by serials. Karna was Drona's student.

Originally posted by: CaptainSpark

Draupadi's Swayamvar - Most versions state he was not able to string the bow.

Now, that convocation was a for KURU PRINCES, I do not see how a random outsider can come and say hey i am better than you and get the right to fight there. I think I am better than you and your brothers at something. Can I go to your house and say listen i am better i will fight? What is the logic here?

He was never denied shikhsha. Drona taught him everything and only refused when he said he wants the Brahmastra to kill Arjun. If today you go ask for a gun to kill a random person unprovoked then you will be reliable to punishment. Same with Karna, Drona while reaching Brahmastra to Arjun mentions how dangerous and important it is. I don't blame him for not giving it to someone who wanted it just to kill Arjun.

Well said!

It really beats me how many people defend Karna without true knowledge of the epic, solely based on shows and movies who glorify him meaninglessly. Karna LOST in Draupadi's swayamvar. He was never denied the chance to try as shows/movies show. Draupadi never said she wouldn't marry a sutaputra. Karna actually tried and lost. He was also one of Drona's students. It's mentioned twice in the text that Drona accepted him despite him not being a Kuru prince, because he was a good student. He was denied Brahmastra knowledge because he wasn't capable of receiving it at the time. No one but Arjuna received it, none of the other Pandavas or Kauravas. So how can Karna claim it was unfair when the other princes didn't receive the knowledge? He did not respect his teacher's decision and decided to go to another because he was so stubborn to receive that knowledge, so in a way, he deserved the curse that came out of a lie.

He was also involved in Bhima's poisoning. He's lucky he wasn't punished for the crime.

Karna was actually one of the luckiest characters. He didn't get punished for many misdeeds.

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Were Karna n Duryodhan childhood friends? Or was Karna originally a Chamcha type for Duryodhan who later metamorphed to a friend

I think they were friends in Gurukul if we go by KMG. But their friendship only grew and developed later after the Angdesh giving I guess.