Corona Virus (COVID -19) #2 - DT Note : pg 35,141 - Page 64

Originally posted by: Sutapasima

I love this n I am stealing this 😈😈

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/21/kerala-indian-state-flattened-coronavirus-curve

Originally posted by: tabby999

seriously ..if it's possible I would have given death penalty to China head and WHO head ..

They are the real culprits..

Who head still had audacity to protect his favourite nation..

Want to ask ...can't this WHO head be changed ?

Isn't it's his responsibility to ask China why they are delivering wrong Medicial things to other countries .

When india changed her FDI policy ..he issued a statement on same day then not now ...

My dear Tabby

There are so many questions circling in my head too .....

Please calm down my dear .... . I am trying to keep myself calm too and boost my immunity with positive thoughts .. keeping troubled thoughts in mind is not good for your m my immunity ..

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BTW I agree with what you pointed out .... and humanity on this earth is too busy fighting the threat to their lives.

India is like Yudhisthir and WHO are like Dhritarashtra
While defaulting countries are behaving exactly like Duryodhan. ...

so Yudhisthir always suffered by the wrong decisions of Dhritarashtra.. and Duryodhan right from the Mahabharat times 7000 yrs back

Originally posted by: Viswasruti

Why to steal dear, all my thoughts and ideas are yours only, take it in the right royal way!🤗

How nice of you ... 🤗

China is a UNSC permanent member no one would ever say a word against it

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

China is a UNSC permanent member no one would ever say a word against it

Originally posted by: Himalaya10

Singapore Synthesis ! - What went wrong ?

Must see vdo and article about How Singapore screwed up !!

How Singapore situation went bad from being the best...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-21/how-singapore-flipped-from-virus-hero-to-cautionary-tale

^^After reading that article I'm more worried about India. It's possible that the disease is very wildly spread in India already and there is no way to contain it. And the govt is in denial by keeping the testing numbers low. That said, if it's widely spread then the number of deaths should have also gone up exponentially but that's not the case. What are we missing here?

Though, Its hard to figure out.

But I am a bit optimistic about this since its been 5 weeks of lock down and we have not see the number of deaths that occur when the infection is widely present.

Unfortunately on the flip side, just like Singapore this may flare up in India once we open up since not many were infected when we closed hence not many have any immunity.

If only good testing was available, we can do random sampling of 15-20 million to get an idea of how prevalent this is in the population.

1) It's possible that the death rate is lower than expected, especially among a young population

2) The heat/humidity kills the virus, especially in areas like slums where A/Cs are rare

3) India does not have that many old age homes, and seniors are mostly at home.
4) The virus has (fortunately) not reached old age homes, where it can be lethal

5) Some undercounting, especially when some people may not show ARDS.

If the virus is widely spread, then it may also be less lethal, which is good.

I guess, the lockdown is probably holding the spread and the deaths low. I shudder to think the infection spreading like a wildfire like that one case did in Singapore.

Unfortunately on the flip side, just like Singapore this may flare up in India once we open up since not many were infected when we closed hence not many have any immunity.

If only good testing was available, we can do random sampling of 15-20 million to get an idea of how prevalent this is in the population.

However,You don't need to sample anything like 15-20 million. The problem is that a false positive rate of even 2-3% means that a low prevalence (like 1-2%) can be hard to detect -- it doesn't matter if you test the entire population.

I'm coming around to the theory that the virus might be more infectious but less deadly than we think. But there are still some puzzlers -- Dharavi testing hasn't shown any many positives as I'd expect (unless they only tested a few people -- known contacts).

Note that there don't seem to be that many serious cases in Singapore in this cluster (hardly any).

I would guess all positives will go for further testing to remove false positives.

Singapore migrant workers maybe younger hence low serious cases.

Good thing is,...In Bangalore - there was proposal to open IT/BT offices, with 33% employees and several other conditions ( like disinfection , social distancing, their own transportation etc) from Apr 20. But now its postponed till May 3rd.

At least in Delhi, if someone is positive, they take them to hospital, I think. They also have a quarantine camp, but I think that's for contacts of positives. And for those who came from abroad, they put them in camp or asked them to stay at home (at this point, there should be very few of those). And they have hotels booked for medical staff that deal with COVID patients.

They also seal off entire lanes and mark them as hotspots, not allowing any movement at all.

Honestly, it seems a little heavy handed -- almost Wuhan level.

Tell ya da truth,Its a very difficult scene in India. GOI is sort of stuck in a Sophie's choice situation. I had booked an apartment back in 2011, and after a long wait finally got interiors done - just before renting it out covid hit. No big deal for me, but the carpenter who did the interiors is in a very bad shape - i paid him extra money. But he isnt going to feel good asking for money every month. Paid maids few months of full advance salary and some additional amount. I called the old vendors to see how they were doing. the chair vendor whom we had used earlier to get all furnitures done (while in startup) -is literally in tears. I got him connected with bunch of office folks who are in need of chair (wfh) but he now has challenges in delivering it now - post ugadi lockdown got tightened even more stringently Same situation with the computer vendor - even his past bills are not getting paid. got approval to buy monitors from for personal use for the team (wfh) but the vendor cant deliver now - apparently vehicle will get confiscated :-( Amidst all these, utmost respect for the health care workers - cant imagine the risk the doctors and staff there must be taking (though they have some temperature checking device at entry to atleast identify the symptomatic)

Also, a bit of reading tells us that false positive (for RT PCR is rare) as its specificity is extremely high. While one can be falsely negative (have virus and test negative), opposite is very rare, hence the worry. Positive does not automatically mean patient will be shedding virus and infecting others but that virus is active in body. There are other explanations and possible impacts of those but no one really knows when it is a novel virus.

As to Chicken pox and shingles wrong comparison. While chicken pox in childhood manifests with predominantly skin lesions, the virus then stays dormant in peripheral nerves of the patient ( there fore can't infect others ) for decades and gets reactivated when pts own immune system gets subdued due to other diseases etc.

Covid positive and asymptomatic is lethal like typhoid Mary. That makes these people human mule/carrier of this virus to other humans without them showing any symptoms of the disease that could be fatal to other people. Very dangerous situation for humanity. This will change the life of all.

https://www.sciencealert.com/here-s-what-we-know-so-far-about-those-who-can-pass-corona-without-symptoms

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Hi Himalaya..

Just taking about Delhi...

Not much facilities are there in Delhi..

How much boasting the state government keep on doing...conditions of the hospitals is totally in mess .

Private hospitals can't treat covid patients ..max had the facilities but shut down for covid patients after three doctors were found positive .15 were send for quarantine.

Three more hospitals are not in use because of positive reports of doctors .

In hospitals ,the conditions are really poor .patients are not given proper food ,care and medicines ..

Testing is been only for few ....

You were great and everyone received so much from your experience and knowledge

Absolutely amazing, thank you for sharing your knowledge with me.

You were great and everyone received so much from your experience and knowledge

Absolutely amazing, thank you for sharing your knowledge with me.

Originally posted by: Sutapasima

My dear Tabby

There are so many questions circling in my head too .....

Please calm down my dear .... . I am trying to keep myself calm too and boost my immunity with positive thoughts .. keeping troubled thoughts in mind is not good for your m my immunity ..

...

BTW I agree with what you pointed out .... and humanity on this earth is too busy fighting the threat to their lives.

India is like Yudhisthir and WHO are like Dhritarashtra
While defaulting countries are behaving exactly like Duryodhan. ...

so Yudhisthir always suffered by the wrong decisions of Dhritarashtra.. and Duryodhan right from the Mahabharat times 7000 yrs back

Thanks for the concern ,I am trying to be positive but what to do when area next to mine is hotspot ...just two rows cross ..

Many houses in my area are quarantined ..Many came from foreign travel and other pizza delivery incident ..

A mosque where 25 jamaatis were hiding ..

17 positive cases ...

So u can realise why positive thoughts are hard ...

Just hoping "waqt yeh bhi guzar jaayega" ..

Last comparison to Mahabharata 👏👏

I loved it ..hope our yudhistir soon able to win this dharam yudh..