Definition of Parallel - Page 4

Originally posted by: aquaHP

Hey Vaishu!

I don't know what to say here. I get your point about people not liking the scene because they don't like the character but I don't get the point of posting hateful things. Talking about the LU thread, I think it's pretty clear why no Kuhu, Kunal or KuKu fan participates in the thread. The first few pages are enough indication for us to realise that we won't be welcome there. There is a thread for frustrations and I think it probably only exists in our forum because everyone here gets too blinded by their hatred of one character that they are unable to see how and why the character did something, right or wrong.

What you're saying is not wrong about us posting on the MF and whoever wishes to participate can do so but the situation here is such that nobody dares to post because we know we will be ridiculed for liking characters that may not be too likeable. And that is why we all are scared to step out of the AT to even discuss the characters individually or as a couple even though we want to have a wholesome discussion with all perspectives. I can tell you from personal experience that I was super scared to put up a KuKu post yesterday. Nobody responded and maybe I should have expected that because most people here don't care about the story as a whole. So, the only way for us to participate and get a rounded view is by participating in random posts. I mean, even a random post on Atul got so many replies so why is no one interested in discussing Kuhu and Kunal.

We post out of the AT because we would like to have a discussion. AT waalon ka opinion to hume already pata hai. Why would we try posting outside if everyone just wants to have a debate for Mishti vs Kuhu and MishBir vs KuKu?

I don't really know if this reply made any sense or not but I am just saying that it feels like we're not welcome on the Main forum just because we have a different opinion of one character. That doesn't seem fair. At all! We would love to have a discussion on all all 4 characters, the 2 couples and the multiple side characters but that is not possible if y'all don't participate in the discussion just because you don't like one character.

Agreed, to me the main forum seems so toxic, any topic discussing Kuku or Kuhu becomes a debate topic or the sarcasm kicks in.

Even this the main point was that people shouldnt be complaining if KuKu get 1 scene after like 20 episodes like Aqua mentioned in her comment and consider that their fans also have the right to watch their scenes.

But again here it has become Mishbir vs. KuKu.

Originally posted by: SheThought

People are responding as per the title and the content of the TM's post.

If a definition is quoted and people are challenged for their understanding and who they are classifying as leads or not - they are likely to respond.

If the idea was to just convey the "why" and if it was just that then people would have responded accordingly.

As for the complaints, I get it - it totally dampens the happiness we derive from watching/discussing our favorites when we get to read their positives being turned into something negative.

I understand (reading contrived arguments everyday about everything AM do/do not to equalize things is no joyride either 😛).

But what to do? People have opinions. All kinds of opinions.

Unfortunately, we have no control over how people think or feel or what they express.

We just learn to enjoy it in spite of that.

Better thing to do is to make a post to appreciate the beautiful sequence and enjoy the positive responses.

@bold

You can't start a debate and then expect people to not respond - if that's what you mean by fighting.

As for me, I have already suggested people to move on from this debate in my earlier post.

I don't have anything to add or counter because I agree with everything you said. The only thing is I don't think this was meant to be a debate but probably the TM is the only one who knows about how they intended this post to be.

Off topic but not really, I like how you express. You seem like a wise forum elder, like you've participated in too many forums to be acclimated to all of these random arguments.

All I can say is that I never heard of a parallel lead until I started participating in IF long, long time ago..😆...I just look at it is as someone (a character) having more to tell than another but it also varies from plot to plot as well.

Writing defines a hero/heroine as a person(s) who has more story to tell and the story is told through their perspective. With this show, from what I have seen, we are seeing 4 people's story...yes 70% of that is mostly on one couple, and it is because they have more conflict and therefore more story to show/tell. The other couple, due to the demand of their story, waver between 30/40% mark. Still there are stories to be told, perspective to be shown so this show does not belong to one person/couple exclusively.

However, USP has to be considered, the pull of someone to bring viewers and then connect them to the story and that USP. In this case, Mishti the character was used - I believe this is to pull in the viewers, mainly indian and mainly the age group of females from 18-30yrs - the concept of the story was arranged marriage and how girls do not get a say in choosing of their life partners...so the very first few initial promos was just Mishti and her questions which I am sure majority of the females in the age bracket above will ponder as they too start thinking about marriage.

The second was to get the man suitable for Mishti, in every way. I believe in this instance Shaheer was considered for reasons I am sure everyone knows better than me (I only saw one show of his, Navya). We then got bombareded with promos of these two and hints of some of the initial conflict and the story question of the first act that they have to traverse through. The rest was history as the saying goes...

So for that purpose, the main lead is Shaheer and Rhea aka Mishti and Abir. For all marketing purposes and strategy, the main lead is only two people...decided by the makers and production team. Hence the montage shows them as well. BUt that is not to say KuKu are also not lead, just not on the same level.

I personally feel it is better in a long tv show to show more than less...otherwise you will get bored pretty quickly, will have to scrape the barrel to come up with good thoughtful story.

Originally posted by: journalgirl321

It was literally a 2 minute sequence. Probably even less than that. I really don’t understand why everyone is getting so riled up about it. In order to build a well rounded story, the writers are trying to build the stories of both couples well. While Kunal and Kuhu have seen their share of conflict, Abir and Mishti have yet to see their relationship undergo any sort of period of deep reflection. If you really disliked that sequence so much, it wasn’t that hard to just skip the first 2 minutes, was it? No one was forced to watch it.

Quite shocked to read this though not surprised.

Unfortunately UK entered lockdown yesterday so was preoccupied by that and in needing to sort things out so I quickly read the LU...but not any post.

As someone who likes Misbir but still appreciates the KuKu story (currently mostly for Kunal) I am not surprised to hear about that development in their story. It fits Kuhu's character and where it is going...

Misbir are on another level. The makers will not show their consummation (lol, doubt it will even be that - SP does not show suhaag raat but yet promotes immaculate conceptions!🤣) that quickly. I am not saying this to hurt or anger anyone, just the reality of story telling.

Majority empathise and love Misbir and the show uses the USP of the couple especially Shaheer's drawing power. If there is ever a suhaag raat then it will be shown in a slowy and thoughtful way, not rushed or in middle of another story. This is called payback, in terms of writing, and I doubt the makers will want to cut this short. However production and editing is something different so that could effect what we see finally on the scree. Also, not sure if I should say this, but reading between the lines it looks/reads like one of the lead is a bit reluctant to do intimate scenes so it may not just happen yet...

Originally posted by: Just_Smile

P.S .. I know it's not needed but wanted to say , though MishBir are leads ..this show till it lasts will be mostly shown in mishti's pov(few exceptional scenes and episodes) like any other itv show ... everyone who watches yrhpk should accept it including me bcz at times I want to see things from abir pov but it's rarely shown😆

I like your post. You and I think alike.😊

@bold, just wanted to say we will see things from Abir's POV. At the moment because Mishti has entered the house, lot of things are from her POV...do you get the sense she is playing catch up often?😊

But yeah, not long to go, we will see his side of things. Unfortunately this show is female led and so majority of the story will be from her perspective, action/reactions and etc

Originally posted by: aquaHP

Hey Vaishu!

I don't know what to say here. I get your point about people not liking the scene because they don't like the character but I don't get the point of posting hateful things. Talking about the LU thread, I think it's pretty clear why no Kuhu, Kunal or KuKu fan participates in the thread. The first few pages are enough indication for us to realise that we won't be welcome there. There is a thread for frustrations and I think it probably only exists in our forum because everyone here gets too blinded by their hatred of one character that they are unable to see how and why the character did something, right or wrong.

What you're saying is not wrong about us posting on the MF and whoever wishes to participate can do so but the situation here is such that nobody dares to post because we know we will be ridiculed for liking characters that may not be too likeable. And that is why we all are scared to step out of the AT to even discuss the characters individually or as a couple even though we want to have a wholesome discussion with all perspectives. I can tell you from personal experience that I was super scared to put up a KuKu post yesterday. Nobody responded and maybe I should have expected that because most people here don't care about the story as a whole. So, the only way for us to participate and get a rounded view is by participating in random posts. I mean, even a random post on Atul got so many replies so why is no one interested in discussing Kuhu and Kunal.

We post out of the AT because we would like to have a discussion. AT waalon ka opinion to hume already pata hai. Why would we try posting outside if everyone just wants to have a debate for Mishti vs Kuhu and MishBir vs KuKu?

I don't really know if this reply made any sense or not but I am just saying that it feels like we're not welcome on the Main forum just because we have a different opinion of one character. That doesn't seem fair. At all! We would love to have a discussion on all all 4 characters, the 2 couples and the multiple side characters but that is not possible if y'all don't participate in the discussion just because you don't like one character.

I am sorry for coming between your conversation, but every post from Kuhu fans is always a way to blame Mishti, Abir, Meenu, even Kunal for Kuhu’s wrongdoings. You say you want to talk about the story and you care about the story but I have never seen any posts from you or any other Kuhu fans actually discussing things or story, it is always about proving Kuhu is right, I am fairly new to this forum, although have been watching the show for a long time now, I have commented on many KuKu fan's posts in past few days and tones of those posts are always accusatory and the dislike for Mishti is quite apparent as of now, hence it becomes Mishti vs Kuhu. Most of us don't dislike Mishti and we clearly see the story is not presenting Mishti as the "wrong" one with Kuhu abusing her, the story telling determines the course of story, story doesn't deviate according to perception or opinions, story will remain the same. Kuhu is not "right" for abusing Mishti and Mishti is not a "Hypocrite" according to the story

Originally posted by: aquaHP

Hey Vaishu!

I don't know what to say here. I get your point about people not liking the scene because they don't like the character but I don't get the point of posting hateful things. Talking about the LU thread, I think it's pretty clear why no Kuhu, Kunal or KuKu fan participates in the thread. The first few pages are enough indication for us to realise that we won't be welcome there. There is a thread for frustrations and I think it probably only exists in our forum because everyone here gets too blinded by their hatred of one character that they are unable to see how and why the character did something, right or wrong.

What you're saying is not wrong about us posting on the MF and whoever wishes to participate can do so but the situation here is such that nobody dares to post because we know we will be ridiculed for liking characters that may not be too likeable. And that is why we all are scared to step out of the AT to even discuss the characters individually or as a couple even though we want to have a wholesome discussion with all perspectives. I can tell you from personal experience that I was super scared to put up a KuKu post yesterday. Nobody responded and maybe I should have expected that because most people here don't care about the story as a whole. So, the only way for us to participate and get a rounded view is by participating in random posts. I mean, even a random post on Atul got so many replies so why is no one interested in discussing Kuhu and Kunal.

We post out of the AT because we would like to have a discussion. AT waalon ka opinion to hume already pata hai. Why would we try posting outside if everyone just wants to have a debate for Mishti vs Kuhu and MishBir vs KuKu?

I don't really know if this reply made any sense or not but I am just saying that it feels like we're not welcome on the Main forum just because we have a different opinion of one character. That doesn't seem fair. At all! We would love to have a discussion on all all 4 characters, the 2 couples and the multiple side characters but that is not possible if y'all don't participate in the discussion just because you don't like one character.

@blue: many forums do have, seems you haven’t noticed it. Mainly for the disappointment in the storyline. When we mention storyline, it includes the whole ensemble cast...

@red: no two persons are same, in fact both the hands of the same person is not same. Some people ignore when they disagree, some people put in words to say they disagree. This is a open forum, you can express freely what you want to, but you can’t expect others to be in the same page.

@green: we were on the same page and agreed to disagree clearly when Meenu was discussed, she is the villain, but we also know and agreed that she has positive and negative traits and it was coz of her. We did not accuse her of having negative traits coz of anyone, nor did we support her current mindset given her past bitter experiences. A person makes and breaks his own self and life. Others may be a inducer or catalyst, but ultimately it is them and their decisions and the consequences of the decisions. Others can play a role, but not completely responsible. A mistake is a mistake, whoever, whenever, wherever , however, why ever he or she commits. Period.

I hope I made sense.

Originally posted by: aquaHP

Wow! Nobody focussed on why the post was made and only on the leads and not leads thing. This post was made to say that can we please stop hating on the "other pair" getting not even a 2min romantic scene and that too after more than 20 episodes.

KuKu get one small scene and there are complaints everywhere from hating characters and what not. Everywhere there are just comments about how MA weren't given the screen space and how their fans are being discriminated against. It was a 1:43second sequence after 20 episodes. MA fans get a scene every week, sometimes multiple scenes a week. We all get that they are the main leads but what is it about a super small sequence that is making everyone so insecure. You don't want to see it, skip it. Just stop hating on them! Iss baar to it was kept separate also unlike the Ishaqzaade song sequence to fir what was the issue about??

Well I do agree with reactions of kuku scenes mainly on twitter.. comments were bad.ppl should ignore if u don't like..being a mishbir fan I did watch the kuku scene twice .it was well shot 👍🏼there are many MishBir fans who liked the song may be few who didn't like ...so let it be it's one wish to like or not.But ya if anyone don't like to see any scene be it kuku MishBir or meenu use ff button 😛

Originally posted by: aquaHP

Hey Vaishu!

I don't know what to say here. I get your point about people not liking the scene because they don't like the character but I don't get the point of posting hateful things. Talking about the LU thread, I think it's pretty clear why no Kuhu, Kunal or KuKu fan participates in the thread. The first few pages are enough indication for us to realise that we won't be welcome there. There is a thread for frustrations and I think it probably only exists in our forum because everyone here gets too blinded by their hatred of one character that they are unable to see how and why the character did something, right or wrong.

What you're saying is not wrong about us posting on the MF and whoever wishes to participate can do so but the situation here is such that nobody dares to post because we know we will be ridiculed for liking characters that may not be too likeable. And that is why we all are scared to step out of the AT to even discuss the characters individually or as a couple even though we want to have a wholesome discussion with all perspectives. I can tell you from personal experience that I was super scared to put up a KuKu post yesterday. Nobody responded and maybe I should have expected that because most people here don't care about the story as a whole. So, the only way for us to participate and get a rounded view is by participating in random posts. I mean, even a random post on Atul got so many replies so why is no one interested in discussing Kuhu and Kunal.

We post out of the AT because we would like to have a discussion. AT waalon ka opinion to hume already pata hai. Why would we try posting outside if everyone just wants to have a debate for Mishti vs Kuhu and MishBir vs KuKu?

I don't really know if this reply made any sense or not but I am just saying that it feels like we're not welcome on the Main forum just because we have a different opinion of one character. That doesn't seem fair. At all! We would love to have a discussion on all all 4 characters, the 2 couples and the multiple side characters but that is not possible if y'all don't participate in the discussion just because you don't like one character.

Aqua if the tm didn't liked the toxicity of forum and didn't want to get involve then why she made this post, it's clearly for us to tell that kuku are leads too, knowing very well that this post is going to get converted in debate. I am not saying she could not do this, she definitely can it's an open forum. But the way she made post for saying kuku are leads she can create post for kuku scenes too

Regarding lu thread it's a discussion thread they will of course post their frustration in words there, if you want to enjoy there you just have to ignore those comments and discuss kuku there. Let me tell you when the show first started very less kuku fans were active so we were not very careful while posting our views, we had openly criticize kuhu but as kuhu fans came, rules came and we tried to control our frustration so that kuku fans will not get offended, you know the name calling and all. So we are also adjusting you also do that, if you don't like any comment just report it mod will see that it's against rules or not but MishBir fans too didnt like this toxicity, we are connected with mishti emotionally and everyone is to some level that's why we just get frustrated when kuhu is justified by blaming mishti. If kuku has to be discussed keep mishti away you can do it freely no one will interfere

Scared dared 🤣,you're making us feel like villain yaar 🤣, see if the discussion of four characters has to happen it can never be a discussion it will be debate always. Because there are mishbir fans and kuku fans, no yrhpk fan. Tell me if for 10 days kuku does not get scenes will you enjoy the epi, because of kuku you're watching, we're also watching for mishbir, the show was story oriented for 50-60 epi, Uske Baad it became a couple's love story. No fan can create an unbiased post be it MishBir or kuku because the show demands the biasness, you can be on side of mishbir or kuku, as simple as that

If you want opinion of mishbir fans on kuku it's really not possible to have a peaceful discussion, because either kuku fan will snap or MishBir, Yup in future if the four get on board together we could have a peaceful discussion then

See we all love our fav character that's why we are here, with our analysis and discussion CVs ko koi fark nahi padega, it's just Hume tasalli hogi ki we are giving our time to a show its worth it, it's a nice show. You all can create as many as you all want but you all have to accept that there are other fans which will not like it and will comment their disliking or will just simply ignore it

Originally posted by: NoraSM

I am sorry for coming between your conversation, but every post from Kuhu fans is always a way to blame Mishti, Abir, Meenu, even Kunal for Kuhu’s wrongdoings. You say you want to talk about the story and you care about the story but I have never seen any posts from you or any other Kuhu fans actually discussing things or story, it is always about proving Kuhu is right, I am fairly new to this forum, although have been watching the show for a long time now, I have commented on many KuKu fan's posts in past few days and tones of those posts are always accusatory and the dislike for Mishti is quite apparent as of now, hence it becomes Mishti vs Kuhu. Most of us don't dislike Mishti and we clearly see the story is not presenting Mishti as the "wrong" one with Kuhu abusing her, the story telling determines the course of story, story doesn't deviate according to perception or opinions, story will remain the same. Kuhu is not "right" for abusing Mishti and Mishti is not a "Hypocrite" according to the story

Hi Nora!!

First of all, welcome to the forum! Let's get into it!

@Bold-1: I have to say I don't think every post can be called accusive because out of the multiple members on the AT, only 4 of us actually regularly create posts in the main forum (Me, Nami, Clarity and Beguiling). I have to say that I never make posts about Mishti or Kuhu , atleast not in the past month or so. I can't remember uss se pehle. Nami makes KuKu centric posts so blaming Mishti goes out the window. Clarity and Beguiling have recently posted on Mishti and Kuhu but I don't feel the intention behind any of those posts was to blame Mishti. Maybe the tone, as you mentioned, threw you off but those come to about a total of two posts in this past month. I must have created probably 5 posts that do not blame Mishti at all because I don't have the capacity or the mental strength to keep arguing over a topic I know people are emotionally attached with and that there isn't going to be any discussion. You could have participated in those other posts that didn't blame Mishti but actually talked about the storyline. I didn't see you participate at all.

The only post where people actually cared to participate all this while was the one about Meenu. She has her own aura and she brings with herself the power to unite us all. I usually make character centric or current track centric posts. The only person who cares to discuss the story as a whole on the main forum is Dreamygal so I go to her posts but the participation is low there as well so I don't really see anyone else caring for the story aspect and people only seem to want to participate in posts discussing Mishti and Kuhu. I made a post to discuss the KuKu storyline just a day ago. It did not blame Mishti at all. Infact, I didn't even mention her so I really don't get what you're saying. You can go and check all my posts. I am pretty sure you won't find blame content and I hope you do find the time to participate in the posts that don't blame Mishti because there are many and I would know because I have created most of them.

@Bold-2: Nobody is telling you to dislike Mishti. All of us have our own opinions. You don't have to change it because I don't agree with them and vice versa. What I don't think is that it's possible to simplify Mishti and Kuhu's character to "hypocrite" and "abusive". I feel that the writers have worked to really hard to give depth and layers to all the characters but most of all, these 2 and that is why they have ardent fans who are ready to fight for them any time. I have said this multiple times before and I am pretty sure I'll be able to say it till this show runs a credible storyline that MishKu were the reason I started watching this show in the first place. They were my original ship and I am still rooting for them. Romantically, I may be more inclined to the KuKu story but I definitely care more about my platonic ships, be it MishKu, KuBir, Ketunal, Merul or any other, because the writers have done a brilliant job with those.