Meenu ki sachchai 🙊 - Page 7

I really enjoyed your post, @aqua, as well as some of the amazing discussion on the thread!

As someone who's patiently stuck through all the manipulative writing on this show for so long because of the underlying story-threads, it is the handling of this Parul-Kunal angle that is finally making the show unwatchable for me. I love stories about adoption and found families, but at this point this show feels like a giant cringe-fest entitled, Adoption: What Not to Do.

Traditionally, adoption is an agreement between the biological parent(s) and the adoptive parent(s) to transfer complete legal and parenting rights to the latter. It can either be a closed adoption where the bio parent cuts off their kid completely -- this was more common in the past, because they believed that it would make it less confusing for the kid -- or an open adoption where the bio parent and the child have access to each other but the child might not necessarily recognise the bio parent in a parental role. The newer practices come from more focus on how the child feels through this process, the whole point being that no matter how wonderful your adoptive parents are, it doesn't mean you stop wondering where you came from. Those of us raised by our bio parents often take it for granted how much it means to know/discuss openly who your blood is, or what your family tree looks like.

None of the adopted kids on this show -- Kuhu, Kunal, or Mishti -- have been given the space to work through these questions in a healthy way. When Mishti tried to talk to BP about Naman (in one of the very early episodes), he took it as an insult that she still considered Naman her papa and immediately shut down any questions she had. Kuhu cried herself to sleep as a child convincing herself that Varsha was her only mother, implying that she was probably not allowed to ask about her bio mom for fear of hurting Varsha, and now we have this situation with Kunal.

Even though Parul had some access to him, Kunal's adoption was closed for all intents and purposes because it was kept secret. Parul gave Meenu complete parental rights in exchange for a better life for her son, and the chance to watch him grow up in close proximity, a very straightforward deal. This is what Abir is completely missing -- Parul made her choice all those years ago, which leaves her with no inherent rights over Kunal now. If Kunal, as an adult upon knowing the truth should choose to pursue a relationship with her, that's a different matter but it's deeply, deeply problematic to imply that there is a "right" choice here. The only right thing would be Kunal actually having the freedom to come to this decision on his own.

Meenu was also confronted with a choice all those years ago. She could have either turned Parul and Kunal away but she chose to take them an and raise Kunal as her own son. When she put the same choice in front of Abir -- either leave your love or I will declare Kunal as najayaz in front of the world, he chose to uphold the agreement Meenu and Parul made because he too didn't want to face the consequences of the alternative. It's very easy to push Kunal to accept Parul now that the truth is conveniently out without Abir having to lift a finger, but if he was so concerned about Parul's darja, why did he continue to let her fulfill her old role all this time?

Finally, this whole question of darja is damn confusing. Abir says, Kunal is the malik of Red Pear and Parul is his mom so she should cut the ribbon. Sounds simple but how about we widen the lens a little bit. Kunal is malik of Red Pear because he is Meenakshi Rajvansh's son, because she raised him and gave him the educational and professional opportunities that made him capable of running a company today. So basically, what Abir is saying is that he should de-prioritse all that and give preference to Parul just because he is his bio mom?

This is also what's confusing Kuhu -- Meenu keeps implying that she is Parul's bahu, does that then imply that Meenu is disowning Kunal now that he knows the truth? Her previous behaviour shows that Meenu would never actually disown Parul or Kunal, but she relies on the fact that other people don't know that for sure. Additionally, like DQ says, acknolwedging they have different mothers is also acknowledging that they aren't sage bhai which is a huge issue for Kunal. When everything is so intensely tangled, it's extremely trite to reduce it to -- you owe this woman a son's love because she gave birth to you.

Krishna never had to live with Yashoda and Devaki in the same house. Moreover, Devaki understood that she would never have the place in his heart that Yashoda did. She gave up that right to keep him safe, just as Parul did. This show sets different standards for everyone according to convenience. Mishti and Kuhu are pressured to forget their birth parents but Kunal is pressured into acknowledging his? That's just not how any of this works! If Abir feels so strongly about Parul, I say he should openly disown Meenu and call her Ma himself -- why he is pushing Kunal into it without Kunal's enthusiastic consent is going way over my head.

Phew, rant over. Felt good to get that off my chest. 😆

Originally posted by: Isolophiliac00

Yeah, if we list all the plans meenu has made till date, most if not all have failed.. so her record is too damn poor in these matters😆.. I sometimes feel bad for her.. is there any plan of hers that actually succeeded???

Regarding mishku.. I feel they were the same.. can u please elaborate on this point actually??

Regarding abir, yes I’m also waiting for the Monday episode to see if he sticks it to meenu like an answer to her plans or is caught completely unaware because he never even gave a thought to her..

Lastly, about Kunal asking both of them for ribbon cutting, I think that would have been just the same, the point would still be positioning Parul next to Meenakshi and she would not have handled that well.. if we see, no one is there in Rajvansh family that neglects and undermines her authority and power over the family except Abir and we see how their relationship has been..

Not like I’m undermining her efforts in forming this family, it’s like as she has put so much effort in building up this family, she feels the need to control all of them... for what she deems to be good for the family.. this is another point I have thought of just now..😝

Like I was really surprised that how she agreed for ketu’s marriage even when mishti showed her the proof about the groom being already married.. like she has literally no remorse over getting Ketu into such a messed up relationship.. I think after whatever she has suffered in love and the heartbreak and getting Parul and Kunal in her family, she has found her strength and happiness in the familial bonds, it’s like she doesn’t even believe that something like love exists, she only believes in family bonds and most importantly blood relations.. and does everything in her power like saam, daam, dand, bhed to hold together this family, like rejecting mish and kuhu for the individuality they had.. getting ketu married in a family that she can control or getting Abir a gaay type wife.. all are directed towards everyone being more focused towards family...

Again, if it makes any sense..🤣 like I have written whatever came to my mind, it’s upon you to make sense of it..😝

@bold: This is something that has never made sense to me. Actually nothing Meenu does makes sense to me. I get her obsession with power and control but her whole excuse of holding her family together seems fake. This is a classic case of a liar believing in his own lies and such liars are most dangerous because they are delusional. I find it funny because any time Abir or Kunal gets hurt, she is shedding tears in that scene but she is probably responsible in some way for entire heartbreak. I would argue that she does not find pleasure in familial bond but rather enjoys sadistic pleasure in making sure her family is never truly completely happy just like her. They are happy in some ways but not completely and they are constantly aware that whatever happiness they have is at the whim of Meenu. Meenu seems to be numb to all emotions but the feeling of anger and revenge. That is what drives her and makes her feel alive and all important and everyone is a pawn in that game. I would challenge us to find a time in the show when Meenu was not vengeful towards someone or the other for one reason or the other. It seems to be a very harsh thing to say or imagine but if you think about it no one in RJV is truly happy, they have learnt to make do with whatever they have. They have no voice and no opinion. Mishti and Kuhu are biggest threat to her because they are game changers and they have managed to find way to hearts of her sons/enforcers.

Her behaviour with Kunal and Abir surprised me. She chose to break Kunal's heart in the whole Shweta incident and turned him into workaholic zombie. Then she proposed a marriage with some one where he would be rejected or was not a right fit. She then risked calling Shweta back and re-enforcing the feeling of rejection and heartbreak. She got him to fake love and marry Kuhu (all in an attempt to humiliate Maheshwaris and supposedly save Abeer ). It was her bad luck that Kuhu loved Kunal and so withstood all the pain/humiliation and still stuck around until Kunal started feeling something for her otherwise we were headed for a divorce that would have done a lifelong number on Kunal. Now she is trying to get rid of Kuhu too with Mishti...where will that leave Kunal emotionally?

Let us look at Abeer- Meenu never managed to or maybe never truly tried to get Abeer to live with her. My guess is because Abeer was too smart and he was actually the defacto head of the family, His presence would have undermined her so she choose to pretend that she was letting him choose his own path. She blackmailed and did some really borderline psycho stuff to get her to do what she wanted. Where was her motherly love all this time...she cannot be that crazy that she actually could not see his pain but she was willing to live with it and make sure he lives with that pain. She was willing to tie her son to an innocent girl who would never touch the his heart because it was not even a compromise but rather result of blackmail...a marriage that would never have love but was a function of responsibility. Which mother would want that for her favorite son?

She is shedding tear at Kunal's public announcement but did she not threaten the same many times? She is angry because she is losing control and she lost her leverage. Her tactics are not working any longer. Abir will never relegate Mishti to Mami's fate and she will never be that submissive so he is forced to actively enter the battlefield. He needs his second in command, his brother but for Kunal to enter battlefield, he needs to mentally strong and confident. The reveal is first step to it.

I don't think Abeer is doing this in a planned way, it is his instinct in his own words. I wondered why he was so adamant in pushing Kunal for reveal but then I went back to the scene when he sat wondering why Kuhu would ever let Parul be blamed. From a timeline perspective...it should not be more than a month since Parul was taken to jail. Abir is looking at everything with fresh eyes because he is now aware of dynamics that either he ignored or never stayed long enough to see. He is seeing what Parul has been through and how she is an easy target for anyone including her daughter-in-law to point a finger at. He also instinctively knows his mother is involved in some way...the proof is in his mother's presence and facial expression at odd times like when Parul was giving earrings to Mishti. He is out to protect Parul. The only way to bolster Parul is to increase her confidence and give her a voice. No one can do this better than Kunal since his public acceptance means more to Parul than anything. Mishti trusted her instincts and returned the company thus killing one of the potential issues before it created problems. Meenu's face impression was interesting at that time.

There seems to be widespread opinion that Maheshwaris should have been told, I think Kunal himself did not know until that moment what he was going to do. Abir/Mishti instinctively set stage by dressing Parul so that she does not embarrass Kunal. At this point I think both sons and their wives including Kuhu are operating on their instincts/values (good or bad) while Meenu is busy plotting.

There are shows where lead couple disagree, there are MU and they separate to come together again and then there are shows where the lead couple learn from each other and support each other to fight as one unit. I wish that Abeer and Mishti are latter type of couple.

Originally posted by: Samanalyse

I really enjoyed your post, @aqua, as well as some of the amazing discussion on the thread!

As someone who's patiently stuck through all the manipulative writing on this show for so long because of the underlying story-threads, it is the handling of this Parul-Kunal angle that is finally making the show unwatchable for me. I love stories about adoption and found families, but at this point this show feels like a giant cringe-fest entitled, Adoption: What Not to Do.

Traditionally, adoption is an agreement between the biological parent(s) and the adoptive parent(s) to transfer complete legal and parenting rights to the latter. It can either be a closed adoption where the bio parent cuts off their kid completely -- this was more common in the past, because they believed that it would make it less confusing for the kid -- or an open adoption where the bio parent and the child have access to each other but the child might not necessarily recognise the bio parent in a parental role. The newer practices come from more focus on how the child feels through this process, the whole point being that no matter how wonderful your adoptive parents are, it doesn't mean you stop wondering where you came from. Those of us raised by our bio parents often take it for granted how much it means to know/discuss openly who your blood is, or what your family tree looks like.

None of the adopted kids on this show -- Kuhu, Kunal, or Mishti -- have been given the space to work through these questions in a healthy way. When Mishti tried to talk to BP about Naman (in one of the very early episodes), he took it as an insult that she still considered Naman her papa and immediately shut down any questions she had. Kuhu cried herself to sleep as a child convincing herself that Varsha was her only mother, implying that she was probably not allowed to ask about her bio mom for fear of hurting Varsha, and now we have this situation with Kunal.

Even though Parul had some access to him, Kunal's adoption was closed for all intents and purposes because it was kept secret. Parul gave Meenu complete parental rights in exchange for a better life for her son, and the chance to watch him grow up in close proximity, a very straightforward deal. This is what Abir is completely missing -- Parul made her choice all those years ago, which leaves her with no inherent rights over Kunal now. If Kunal, as an adult upon knowing the truth should choose to pursue a relationship with her, that's a different matter but it's deeply, deeply problematic to imply that there is a "right" choice here. The only right thing would be Kunal actually having the freedom to come to this decision on his own.

Meenu was also confronted with a choice all those years ago. She could have either turned Parul and Kunal away but she chose to take them an and raise Kunal as her own son. When she put the same choice in front of Abir -- either leave your love or I will declare Kunal as najayaz in front of the world, he chose to uphold the agreement Meenu and Parul made because he too didn't want to face the consequences of the alternative. It's very easy to push Kunal to accept Parul now that the truth is conveniently out without Abir having to lift a finger, but if he was so concerned about Parul's darja, why did he continue to let her fulfill her old role all this time?

Finally, this whole question of darja is damn confusing. Abir says, Kunal is the malik of Red Pear and Parul is his mom so she should cut the ribbon. Sounds simple but how about we widen the lens a little bit. Kunal is malik of Red Pear because he is Meenakshi Rajvansh's son, because she raised him and gave him the educational and professional opportunities that made him capable of running a company today. So basically, what Abir is saying is that he should de-prioritse all that and give preference to Parul just because he is his bio mom?

This is also what's confusing Kuhu -- Meenu keeps implying that she is Parul's bahu, does that then imply that Meenu is disowning Kunal now that he knows the truth? Her previous behaviour shows that Meenu would never actually disown Parul or Kunal, but she relies on the fact that other people don't know that for sure. Additionally, like DQ says, acknolwedging they have different mothers is also acknowledging that they aren't sage bhai which is a huge issue for Kunal. When everything is so intensely tangled, it's extremely trite to reduce it to -- you owe this woman a son's love because she gave birth to you.

Krishna never had to live with Yashoda and Devaki in the same house. Moreover, Devaki understood that she would never have the place in his heart that Yashoda did. She gave up that right to keep him safe, just as Parul did. This show sets different standards for everyone according to convenience. Mishti and Kuhu are pressured to forget their birth parents but Kunal is pressured into acknowledging his? That's just not how any of this works! If Abir feels so strongly about Parul, I say he should openly disown Meenu and call her Ma himself -- why he is pushing Kunal into it without Kunal's enthusiastic consent is going way over my head.

Phew, rant over. Felt good to get that off my chest. 😆

Very interesting take...👏. I tend to agree with you but to a certain extent. What is unique here is that there is no formal adoption or expectation setting in case of either Kunal and Mishti. While Kuhu went through an adoption process, she was treated differently. The difficult questions were never addressed or answered even though the children have now grown up.

Kuhu- Who was my birth mother? Why did it not work between her and my father? Did my father cheat on my mother? Where is my birth mother now?

Mishti- Why did Maheshwari's adopt me? Am I going to turn like my parents? Why does Jas have this extreme hatred for me?

Kunal - Am I illegitimate or is it Abir? I am still confused because I actually think Abir is illegitimate and Meenu was second wife not the other way around. Why did my mother give me away? Why did my father do what he did ? How did both sauten live so peacefully until now? What does that mean for my identity and how I see myself? Kunal has been behaving like an ostrich, I don't see it them it is not there.

Maheshwaris were getting blackmailed because they knew Naman had the upper hand and he could take Mishti away if he wanted or create a problem in her life.

@ bold 1- True...Kunal is what he is because of Meenu but he also drove the business to take it to new heights with his efforts. Meenu wanted to sell Red Pear but he insisted on keeping it and growing it to current success level. If he feels obligated to disown/ignore his birth mother just because Meenu made him then it is not love but gratitude. He does not need to depriortize Meenu but accept that there can be other people in his life that are just as important to him. He did that when he told Meenu how important she is to him and how he is asking for her trust before he went to Parul to take her for ribbon cutting. His understanding of complex relationships is going to be very important in keeping balance between his relationships...so far Kunal has been very one dimensional and single track

@bold 2- My take on Meenu is very harsh. I genuinely think that she does not know what love is. She constantly treats Kunal's birth secret as leverage to get what she wants whether it is to blackmail Abir, or show Parul her place or show Kunal her displeasure or instigate Kuhu's insecurities. The leverage only works until it is not public knowledge and/or Kunal is embarrassed of it and feels like he is not enough. The way it was done, it took care of both the things ...it became public knowledge with Kunal accepting it happily and his brother and bhabhi stood by him. I don't think Kunal is unsure of Abir's love ...blood brothers or not. Abir choosing Kunal over Mishti in breakup track made that abundantly clear to Kunal.

@bold3 - Yasoda never mistreated Kanha or Devaki but Meenu did. What Meenu did to Parul when she got her imprisoned under false allegation to force Abeer was probably the lowest thing, she could have ever done. She let everyone point a finger at Parul for coffee thing including Kunal before she jumped in to protect her. Her words when Parul got burned were a threat depending on how you see it. She was unhappy to see Parul all decked up for relaunch even before Kunal did anything. Yes, it is hard for two women in Parul and Meenu 's relationship to live in same house but they managed because they both had vested interests. Meenu wanted to hide what Mehul had done and she needed a heir (It was pretty obvious that Abeer was a rebel from beginning) while Parul need a safe abode for her son with opportunities. Meenu gave all her love to Kunal and Parul gave up her ego/pride to live whatever way she was asked to with patience. She has been reduced to a state where her DIL and servants of the house feel free to mistreat her when they like and Meenu is a part of it. Meenu could have easily called Parul her far off family and left it at that instead she never did that purposefully. That was her revenge.

Why should Abeer call Parul.."Ma" though that is a possibility in near future. He is very clear in his relationships and how to manage them. Kunal is the one that needs to understand and accept his relationships. Kunal wants everyone to treat Parul with respect of a family member when he himself shies from it. Kuhu is taking a clue from his lead. I still genuinely think that Abir did all this only to protect Parul and resolve Kunal's confusion around how he feels for Parul.

Originally posted by: Isolophiliac00

No no I’m not blaming Abir at all.. just like I said if he would have planned it, then it would’ve understandable, then it would have been a counter attack.. and an answer to the shit he has gone through because of meenu, right now it is not..

I’m just surprised how he never thought of how meenu would be affected by all this or maybe he did not think that Kunal will be doing this in front of the complete media, mahs and everyone.. or maybe he’s being completely short sighted in this matter..

@ Bold.. yup, he was hoping for Kunal to accept Parul as his mom, but like you said Abir might not have expected him to announce it in front of media..

Good post! But it was KARMA! Meenakshi had blackmailed Abir To let the world know about Kunal’s relationship with Parul which led to painful Mishbir breakup!! Now she is tasting the bitter medicine! Abir now encouraged Kunal who inturn led the world know his birth mom and also gave her full credits! Story is completing a full circle! Meenakshi Rajvansh can’t sail on two boats!! She has right to hate Parul.. but then y show off to care for Kunal? Her using Parul/Kunal to break Mishbir was equivalent to a crime! No sympathies ever for her and her new chelli Kuhu!

Is there one person meenu cares about genuinely? I thought its parul . But her zehereela avatar will return soon as this twist has provoked her to do something stupid yet again

I dunno why she brought parul with her and demoted her to a.maid. meenu will always brag about raising kunal like.abir and now she will ask Keemat for that favour.

How does it matter to the world that kunal is not meenus son but parul son ?may be meenu was mad bec people will think she treated parul like a maid all these years when she deserved a higher position and respect, which abir and mishti r trying to get for her. May be meenu didnt want her husbands kaand to be exposed to public..but then she is a divorcee how does it matter?

Whatever reason it is , Abir should have been more careful ..what he did was not wrong , but the consequences of it can be big, the timing wasnt right . This is gonna create a discord meenu will use kuhu . Kunal wont like her mom being insulted , he may decide to leave rajvansh house, kuhu will be more infuriated , with the prospect of living a poor life . Her blaming mishti is a regular..

All said and done , kunal or abir and mishti (unko idea nai aaya) , could have handled the situation in a better way. Kunal could have asked parul and meenu both to do inauguration. N tell the media that both his mothers will do it. His masi is also like his ma ( n meenu can become.masi anyday😆)

I am very confused. Why is Abir and Mishti being blamed? They didnt do anything. It was Kunal's sole decision and Mishti-Abir had no idea what kunal was planning.

Originally posted by: _charu_

All said and done , kunal or abir and mishti (unko idea nai aaya) , could have handled the situation in a better way. Kunal could have asked parul and meenu both to do inauguration. N tell the media that both his mothers will do it. His masi is also like his ma ( n meenu can become.masi anyday😆)

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Meenus actions and her intentions are confusing to a large extent . I guess her aim is to prove that mishti and kuhu were responsible for the family breaking up . She has a golden chance , she knows the weak points of kuhinand mishti . The family is vulnerable bec of kunals status in the family . Suppose the family will break, but meenus only motivation in life is to keep the family together ? So what exactly is she aiming at ?

She loves kunal... apparently ..n she has no problem that he enjoys full rights of her son , a rajvansh ..but she leaves no stone unturned to mess him up emotionally.

She respects parul too n she never had a problem with her or kunal bec as someone rightly said , she agreed to stay subdued under her influence. But again meenu uses parul to her full advantage ..in future she wont mind parul and kunal leaving rajvansh house ? she wants them to be forever grateful to her and kunal should also act subservient to her like parul? Is this what her aim is?

Her hatred towards mishti knows no bounds . But mishti is as human as anyone else , she will make mistakes n meenu uses it effectively . Does she want abir to turn against mishti and blame her ?

What's the point in aggravating every situation and her family beyond limit ? What will she do if the brothers break up? Bring them together or just laugh alone?

I wanna know on monday, did she actually feel bad that kunal demoted her ?or the fact that he went public with it ? Or she is jealous of parul? Or she is happy infact that it's a golden chance to cause a rift n blame mishti and abir for it? Is she actually in pain or she is happy that finally a plan is working ?😆

Decoding meenu is tough 😆 sorry..random ramblings.