Analysis Corner (Mar 31st Yeh koi saas bahu serial nahi hai link p.64) - Page 41

Originally posted by: libran90

I so agree with this bit. Rishi wasn't given a choice to understand the wretchedness of his father. He died without learning about his depravity. I am keeping my fingers crossed that if they mark the return of his character, he learns his father's truth and sides with what is right.

Given the way they've developed his character, he could go either way even after learning MJ's truth. Right now he's a staunch MJ supporter, but he also has MJ's streaks in him and he has been raised to be MJ's son more than to be Antara's son. All of those do make a difference.

Originally posted by: Minionite

Given the way they've developed his character, he could go either way even after learning MJ's truth. Right now he's a staunch MJ supporter, but he also has MJ's streaks in him and he has been raised to be MJ's son more than to be Antara's son. All of those do make a difference.

Twists are what make a thriller and revenge drama enjoyable. I am looking forward to what kind of twists the makers plan to introduce via Maya's Mayajaal. MayRa is happening one way or the other. But how Maya will enter the Roy household? How will she isolate Mrityunjay? I want to see good solid planning? I am through with the sons moves. Its getting boring. Ab past dikhao, aur aage badhao.

And with Rishi, I am looking forward to any twist that could absolve Maya of egging him to commit suicide. But I guess, we aren't getting that sooner or getting that at all.

Jan 13th - Maya and Rudra

I only want to talk about this one scene today. This one powerful scene today. I had no time or eyes for anything else because this scene was so good. Everything else can wait to tomorrow when we get some more.

Oh I don't even know how to start.

Ananya tumhare liye perfect hai - The way Rudra responded, of course. I know. Isli toh shaadi kar raha hoon. You could see his hesitation, his pain, and the difficulty with which he said that. I know many people here are saying that Maya and Rudra aren't in love, but I say they are. This back and forth proved it. Maya needs to concentrate on Rishi only and stay away from Rudra and the best way to do that is if she brings someone else between them (at least for the time being). On the other hand, Rudra was hoping that Maya would say something other than that, something to make him stop. And when she just affirmed his choice, he was broken and it showed. Then he waited to see if Maya would say something still. Her hesitating look made him prompt her even further.

Koi aur hota toh shayad - He prompted her, trying to get her to fill in the lines. There are so many ways he could have completed this sentence. But he wanted Maya to fill in the blanks. This shows that their relationship is waiting for a name. A name that Rudra doesn't want to give because he wants Maya to make the next step. Their relationship will only start when Maya wants it to start and that too by giving it a name. Rudra doesn't want this hesitation and awkwardness between them. He wants it to be a true and real relationship. But Maya is still lost. She hesitates to take the next step.

It goes to show. The past few days, we've been talking about love and healing and that Rudra needs to take the first steps. He did today. He left Maya with a question. Iss rishte ko kya naam doon? Now it's up to Maya to make the next move. Rudra wants to heal and thus he went straight to Ananya and proposed to her. But somewhere deep down even he knows that it was the wrong move and the only person he can actually move on with is Maya because two broken people can heal each other the best.

Calling out from behind - Usually it's Rudra's job to be the one standing and watching from behind, but today it was Maya's turn. While Rudra has accepted that Maya is not ready to say anything and was ready to leave, she needed to close the topic. This also shows that even when Rudra is leaving, Maya's one call will be enough to stop him. But notice that he stayed in his spot, while Maya walked towards him to complete the conversation. Like I said, Rudra has taken the first steps and is ready to move on away from Maya. Now it's up to Maya to stop Rudra and take the remaining steps to him.

Now I seriously hope that Maya has not actually become a killer because there should be no redemption for a killer. Revenge mein jaan lena phir bhi khoon hi hai and there should be no redemption for that.

Shaking hands - Rudra offered his hand yet again, but this time Maya seemed like she was ready to take it, except she missed the mark. I saw it as a chance. Rudra offered her a chance to come out of all this. He offered her his support. He offered her the chance to walk side-by-side. But Maya still hesitates. She fears coming out of the dark and her revenge and moving towards the light and a new life and thus Rudra stepped away, taking the chance away from her for now.

Let the eyes do the talking - Oh I love this title song and the actors chosen are brilliant. Both Shivin and Jennifer spoke with their eyes as this scene ended. Even I had moist eyes seeing their eyes. Given that I'm at work, I had to make up an excuse for my moist eyes (dry eyes do come in handy in such moments).

First Rudra. The pain and hurt in his eyes. He had come there hoping for answers. He didn't want to deceive or hurt Ananya or Antara, but he needed answers. He had hoped that Maya had felt the same for him as he felt for her. And when he didn't get that, he was left with a feeling of emptiness and aching loneliness. In a short period of time, Maya has become important to him and given him a new purpose in life. Her three challenges, her belief in him, her encouragement to break free of his fears in the elevator all helped him develop and grow as a person. But now that same person is pulling away from him and that hurts.

Maya, on the other hand, spoke with her eyes and hands. As she watched Rudra leave, her hand still slightly outstretched, her eyes spoke of pain and loneliness. She wanted to reach out to Rudra and stop him from leaving. And when Rudra closed that door and left, she realized that he had left her in the dark. But unlike the other Roys who had pushed her into the darkness, Rudra had given her a chance to come out of it and he hadn't left for good, rather because she wanted him to. As her hand curled inwards and became a fist, the pain and angst was replaced with anger. She was reminding herself not to forget her mission, not to forget her revenge.

MJ - On a side note, I can no longer look at the initials MJ the same again. At work, we have a colleague who has the same initials. Usually when sending him emails we either call him by his last name or his initials. Today I was typing out an email to him and as soon as I typed in MJ I burst out laughing. 😆

This scene made me skip a thousand beats. Every gesture, every dialogue, a quiver in their voice, literally everything made it heartbreakingly beautiful. ShivJen are a blessing to watch.

👏Lovely analysis of what is one of my favorite MayRa scenes.

I will talk of the scene wrt some of the things that have been shown.

A few episodes back Maya rued to Nandini that she is lost in her path to darkness and it looked like there was no way out. But Nandini hoped that there would be someone who could bring Maya out of that darkness and take her to light. Cut to few episodes and Maya almost believed there was light in the form of Rudra but accepting him led to her falling in a trap and so she resigned herself thinking Rudra was a dream that she had no right to desire. But just one look at him and her heart truly yearned for his light. When Rudra stretched his hand, her hand voluntarily started stretching forward with little hesitation but sadly this time Rudra backed away and soon walked off. Maya was visibly hurt and immediately retracted back behind her facade.

Coming to Rudra, his breakdown scene after the kiss speaks volumes- khud to toot chuka hun, tumhe bhi tod dunga. He feels he isn't worthy of her, thanks to his history. He felt rejected when she didn't open the door but today he stood in front of her with hope that she would acknowledge him and her feelings. Give him hope and support like she has done till now but all he got were farewells - in the way Maya termed their bond as just professional, deflection from answering about what was wrong-the moment or the man. It's pretty evident that Rudra will pursue Maya but it will be Mayas own move towards Rudra that will decide the future course coz Rudra as he has said before won't be a puppet in her hands.

Having said this, I felt Maya actually wanted Rudra to pursue her. Her expression went from heartbreak to helplessness to hurt and then anger.

Originally posted by: Minionite

Jan 13th - Maya and Rudra

I only want to talk about this one scene today. This one powerful scene today. I had no time or eyes for anything else because this scene was so good. Everything else can wait to tomorrow when we get some more.

Oh I don't even know how to start.

Ananya tumhare liye perfect hai - The way Rudra responded, of course. I know. Isli toh shaadi kar raha hoon. You could see his hesitation, his pain, and the difficulty with which he said that. I know many people here are saying that Maya and Rudra aren't in love, but I say they are. This back and forth proved it. Maya needs to concentrate on Rishi only and stay away from Rudra and the best way to do that is if she brings someone else between them (at least for the time being). On the other hand, Rudra was hoping that Maya would say something other than that, something to make him stop. And when she just affirmed his choice, he was broken and it showed. Then he waited to see if Maya would say something still. Her hesitating look made him prompt her even further.

Koi aur hota toh shayad - He prompted her, trying to get her to fill in the lines. There are so many ways he could have completed this sentence. But he wanted Maya to fill in the blanks. This shows that their relationship is waiting for a name. A name that Rudra doesn't want to give because he wants Maya to make the next step. Their relationship will only start when Maya wants it to start and that too by giving it a name. Rudra doesn't want this hesitation and awkwardness between them. He wants it to be a true and real relationship. But Maya is still lost. She hesitates to take the next step.

It goes to show. The past few days, we've been talking about love and healing and that Rudra needs to take the first steps. He did today. He left Maya with a question. Iss rishte ko kya naam doon? Now it's up to Maya to make the next move. Rudra wants to heal and thus he went straight to Ananya and proposed to her. But somewhere deep down even he knows that it was the wrong move and the only person he can actually move on with is Maya because two broken people can heal each other the best.

Calling out from behind - Usually it's Rudra's job to be the one standing and watching from behind, but today it was Maya's turn. While Rudra has accepted that Maya is not ready to say anything and was ready to leave, she needed to close the topic. This also shows that even when Rudra is leaving, Maya's one call will be enough to stop him. But notice that he stayed in his spot, while Maya walked towards him to complete the conversation. Like I said, Rudra has taken the first steps and is ready to move on away from Maya. Now it's up to Maya to stop Rudra and take the remaining steps to him.

Now I seriously hope that Maya has not actually become a killer because there should be no redemption for a killer. Revenge mein jaan lena phir bhi khoon hi hai and there should be no redemption for that.

Shaking hands - Rudra offered his hand yet again, but this time Maya seemed like she was ready to take it, except she missed the mark. I saw it as a chance. Rudra offered her a chance to come out of all this. He offered her his support. He offered her the chance to walk side-by-side. But Maya still hesitates. She fears coming out of the dark and her revenge and moving towards the light and a new life and thus Rudra stepped away, taking the chance away from her for now.

Let the eyes do the talking - Oh I love this title song and the actors chosen are brilliant. Both Shivin and Jennifer spoke with their eyes as this scene ended. Even I had moist eyes seeing their eyes. Given that I'm at work, I had to make up an excuse for my moist eyes (dry eyes do come in handy in such moments).

First Rudra. The pain and hurt in his eyes. He had come there hoping for answers. He didn't want to deceive or hurt Ananya or Antara, but he needed answers. He had hoped that Maya had felt the same for him as he felt for her. And when he didn't get that, he was left with a feeling of emptiness and aching loneliness. In a short period of time, Maya has become important to him and given him a new purpose in life. Her three challenges, her belief in him, her encouragement to break free of his fears in the elevator all helped him develop and grow as a person. But now that same person is pulling away from him and that hurts.

Maya, on the other hand, spoke with her eyes and hands. As she watched Rudra leave, her hand still slightly outstretched, her eyes spoke of pain and loneliness. She wanted to reach out to Rudra and stop him from leaving. And when Rudra closed that door and left, she realized that he had left her in the dark. But unlike the other Roys who had pushed her into the darkness, Rudra had given her a chance to come out of it and he hadn't left for good, rather because she wanted him to. As her hand curled inwards and became a fist, the pain and angst was replaced with anger. She was reminding herself not to forget her mission, not to forget her revenge.

MJ - On a side note, I can no longer look at the initials MJ the same again. At work, we have a colleague who has the same initials. Usually when sending him emails we either call him by his last name or his initials. Today I was typing out an email to him and as soon as I typed in MJ I burst out laughing. 😆

Rudra Maya small scene was so impactful actually..

Jism se saaya aise hai rootha

Ke Raahe bhi juda ho gayi

Dil ko tassali jisse mili thi

Woh baatein ankahi kho gayi

Dil ki sadaa ab bewjaah mange na koi dua

Yeh iltijah yeh hi Raza karta hai dil har dafah

Mujhme hi tu rahe ya sadaa..

The lyrics of this paragraph just fit every frame of MayRa scene yest.. but importantly the last lines which means that my prayer and willingness everytime is that u are with me..

And the beauty is that it suited the situation of both Rudra and Maya equally..

The other paragraph in the song is a different level which might even play at a next point between MayRa.. because it talks about someone who gave a hope to love and live again but then vanished and left me empty.. MayRa love will always undergo pain because of the pain they have within...how I wish that makers add a slightly happier paragraph as well.. because it all speaks of pain only..

Originally posted by: Armu4eva

This scene made me skip a thousand beats. Every gesture, every dialogue, a quiver in their voice, literally everything made it heartbreakingly beautiful. ShivJen are a blessing to watch.

👏Lovely analysis of what is one of my favorite MayRa scenes.

I will talk of the scene wrt some of the things that have been shown.

A few episodes back Maya rued to Nandini that she is lost in her path to darkness and it looked like there was no way out. But Nandini hoped that there would be someone who could bring Maya out of that darkness and take her to light. Cut to few episodes and Maya almost believed there was light in the form of Rudra but accepting him led to her falling in a trap and so she resigned herself thinking Rudra was a dream that she had no right to desire. But just one look at him and her heart truly yearned for his light. When Rudra stretched his hand, her hand voluntarily started stretching forward with little hesitation but sadly this time Rudra backed away and soon walked off. Maya was visibly hurt and immediately retracted back behind her facade.

Coming to Rudra, his breakdown scene after the kiss speaks volumes- khud to toot chuka hun, tumhe bhi tod dunga. He feels he isn't worthy of her, thanks to his history. He felt rejected when she didn't open the door but today he stood in front of her with hope that she would acknowledge him and her feelings. Give him hope and support like she has done till now but all he got were farewells - in the way Maya termed their bond as just professional, deflection from answering about what was wrong-the moment or the man. It's pretty evident that Rudra will pursue Maya but it will be Mayas own move towards Rudra that will decide the future course coz Rudra as he has said before won't be a puppet in her hands.

Having said this, I felt Maya actually wanted Rudra to pursue her. Her expression went from heartbreak to helplessness to hurt and then anger.

So true about both of them!

Maya is looking for the light, but isn't ready to accept moving on yet. Yet this past few days shows that Rudra will not back off. Even as he goes farther and farther away from her, he'll keep returning with the light and sooner or later Maya will accept it. She won't hesitate.

Rudra's pain comes from his past. A past that Maya helped him accept to some extent. But I agree with you. He's broken and doesn't think himself worthy. He was hoping to find that worth today. Hence the pain with which he slammed Maya's door before leaving. But he also saw the hesitation and that outstretched hand. When his anger subsides a bit, he'll realize that and return again for some more answers.

Jan 14th - Death

Today was owned by Rajat and Jennifer. Ashish was good as well, but it was owned mostly by these 2 today. I feel tomorrow will be Ashish's day. Anyways because it was owned by them I'm going to concentrate more on them today.

Firstly, I cannot believe that Rishi actually died. The Maya that we've seen so far seemed to be the type to give symbolic deaths, not real. But we've seen it with our own eyes. We've seen the dead body. We'll probably even see the funeral. He is dead. No return.

Today, also marks the day that the story has officially gone dark. It has turned for the worse. With the death of an innocent boy (innocent in the sense that he had no involvement in this revenge), Maya has gone to the dark side completely and MJ will hunt her down and destroy her. This death marks the death of innocence and is the point from which there is no return. It doesn't matter what the CVs show now, it doesn't matter how Maya explains herself, it doesn't matter whether Rudra and Maya fall in love or not. Maya made her choice today. She had 2 paths and she chose one. There is no turning back now.

Rishi's death - Rishi was convinced that a few drops of blood would be enough to scare MJ. He is after all MJ's aankhon ka noor. Yet it is this very belief and upbringing that led to his death. No, I'm not blaming him for his own death. What I'm saying is that Rishi was raised in an environment where he got whatever he wanted. I don't think he had ever been refused to date. So when MJ reacted the way he did to Rishi's wish to get married, Rishi acted out the way he knew best. MJ feared anything happening to Rishi, so even the slightest scratch should be enough to scare MJ and that's exactly what Rishi did. He believed Maya and believed what he had seen of MJ and cut himself.

But within a few seconds he realized that he was caught. Rajat you did a fantabalous job today (screw anyone who says that isn't a real word 😈). Take a bow. Somewhere I felt that even as Rishi accepted Maya's words and slowly died, he was dying with a knowledge that he had been deceived. And those emotions playing across Rishi's face, body, and words - pain to fear to helplessness to knowing to peace to death. Wow. I still have goosebumps and it has nothing to do with my cool office environment.

Maya's craziness - I feel like the Maya we've seen to date has been a facade, only one small aspect of her full personality. Today, we saw the true Maya. The crazy Maya. And she isn't like the Maya from season 1 crazy. No, this Maya is crazy because she will go to any extent for her revenge even as her conscience keeps trying to hold her back. The Maya we were introduced to so far was obsessed with revenge, but had the opportunity to move towards the light even while getting her revenge. She had the opportunity to use innocent people, but not to kill them to hit MJ where it hurt most. But she went to the extreme ends. Maya is not someone who just wants revenge. She will destroy anything and anyone in her path to get that revenge, including herself. And we saw that the most when we saw her in the child's room.

Somewhere I feel that the Maya that might have had a chance at a new life, at moving on past revenge died the same night her unborn child died. Instead, all we have left is a crazed Maya for whom nothing matters more than destroying MJ and everything that is tied to MJ.

Today though wasn't just Rishi's death, it was the death of Maya's soul. Seeing Rishi dying, killed Maya all over again. This time for good.

And finally no Maya. It doesn't matter what you say, Rishi's death is not justified. Jaan ke badle jaan is not how the world works. If that was the case then no one would be alive anymore. And how is an unborn child the same as a young boy of 21 or 22? How is it the same? I understand the emotions, I understand the relationships, I understand the feelings, but it is still not the same. Whatever MJ did, he has raised Rishi, a son he invested his all into. That is just not the same as an unborn child. Up to now I've understood every move of yours and even accepted them, but this is not done. Not done at all. Today, you've gone down a path which will lead to more such moves and more such moves that make no sense to anyone except your crazed mind.

MJ - Today, if anyone stood out from the Roys and Ananya, it was MJ. We saw his anger, we saw his helplessness, and we saw his fear. I say all 3. Anger is obvious. Anger at Antara for attempting to let Rishi out, anger at Rishi for escaping, and anger at Rudra because MJ knows that Rudra let Rishi out. But there was also a fear and helplessness in his anger at Rishi's escape. Somewhere I feel that MJ knew that whoever Rishi's girlfriend is, she is not good for Rishi and it didn't just have to do with his control issues. Deep down his gut, his conscience was probably telling him that Rishi is trouble. Deep trouble. Save him.

And when that video came in, MJ actually did look helpless. He realized that he would have to bend to Rishi's wishes, but he also had an inkling that things were not going to turn out well. First time I've seen MJ look helpless and that is possibly the only good angle to Maya's win, if there is any.

Rudra's angst - Today, Shivin didn't impress me as much. From his worry for Rishi to the driving to his reaction on seeing Rishi's dead body. It just wasn't there. The true angst seemed to be missing. I mean I understood where his pain is coming from. First there was the denial on seeing Rishi lifeless. Chal uth ghar chal. Then there was the pain and denial, even some bargaining. But it didn't draw me in today. I couldn't feel it with Rudra.

Aur mere bhagwan ne mujhe sirf iss beyhadh nafrat ke liye zinda rakha hai - This seemed like an important dialogue for 2 reasons. One it seemed to signal that maybe Maya was going to die from what MJ had done. It is quite possible that she may have been swinging between life and death after everything MJ did, but barely pulled through. The other, and more obvious meaning, is that she will die at the end. Once her nafrat is over and there is nothing left, she will die.

I have shared all that I wanted to in other posts, and I've been venting since the weekend. Don't have any more energy. The pall of devastation in the forum is depressing.

loved the analysis but I'm just so exhausted.

Todays episode went primarily to jen and rajat.. rishi knew he trusted someone wrong but yet he had a hope and helplessness that she will save him.. but then it was more like a innocent soul kept crying to be saved and finally die helplessly.. that was very heart wrenching to see.. u almost felt like going there and helping him.. and that reminds of ppl who take selfies and videos of dying ppl on the road rather than helping them...

Rishi for Maya was as helpless and innocent as her unborn child was which MJ killed and the pain back to MJ is 1000 fold because here is not a new born but a grown up son..

I felt the engagement bit was unnecessary.. I mean ok then decided to marry and that could have been kept at a later date to engage.. because if they wanted to show us that Maya also dint allow the engagement to happen then they should have given it some more importance.. it was such a rushed scene.. MJ even though I felt he was tensed at rishi missing yet he did not even go out to look for him.. only Rudra went.. the whole scene of MJ rudra was just too rushed..

Also rushed was the search for Rishi.. come on where was rishi exactly and how did Rudra get sixth sense that he knew where he would be.. it was some random building which they did not even establish to us where it was.. even yest when rishi came to save Maya I felt the same.. where is it.. Mayas building? Rudras office building??

Rudra and MJ to be were in thinking the Rishi was faking everything.. they were just puzzled at his act.. even when Rudra came on the terrace he was in disbelief and he was sure that it's an act but he also kind of started understanding that it was real.. the only time he really emoted out was when the reality was drawn that rishi is actually dead and he screamed.. I give shivin a pass here because now that rishi is really dead, today will be more of Rudra and Mj to react to it.. I also feel shivin does a great job with anger and romance..he needs to tad bit work on emotional scenes..though the ones yest with Maya was great.. he has some experienced ppl like ashish and jen around to learn from..

Also please stop making Rudra such a dukhi aatma..I am bored to see him like this.. i prefer his angst and sarcasm with MJ.. hope he rises back..

Lastly this was the first scene of MJ and Maya in the same frame together and ashish jen looked good.. I feel they should stick to shivin jen and ashish more than the support crowd they have created.. they can have some scenes but the main characters have to move the story faster..

Originally posted by: NamuVyas

I felt the engagement bit was unnecessary.. I mean ok then decided to marry and that could have been kept at a later date to engage.. because if they wanted to show us that Maya also dint allow the engagement to happen then they should have given it some more importance.. it was such a rushed scene.. MJ even though I felt he was tensed at rishi missing yet he did not even go out to look for him.. only Rudra went.. the whole scene of MJ rudra was just too rushed..

Also rushed was the search for Rishi.. come on where was rishi exactly and how did Rudra get sixth sense that he knew where he would be.. it was some random building which they did not even establish to us where it was.. even yest when rishi came to save Maya I felt the same.. where is it.. Mayas building? Rudras office building??

Rudra and MJ to be were in thinking the Rishi was faking everything.. they were just puzzled at his act.. even when Rudra came on the terrace he was in disbelief and he was sure that it's an act but he also kind of started understanding that it was real.. the only time he really emoted out was when the reality was drawn that rishi is actually dead and he screamed.. I give shivin a pass here because now that rishi is really dead, today will be more of Rudra and Mj to react to it.. I also feel shivin does a great job with anger and romance..he needs to tad bit work on emotional scenes..though the ones yest with Maya was great.. he has some experienced ppl like ashish and jen around to learn from..

Also please stop making Rudra such a dukhi aatma..I am bored to see him like this.. i prefer his angst and sarcasm with MJ.. hope he rises back..

Lastly this was the first scene of MJ and Maya in the same frame together and ashish jen looked good.. I feel they should stick to shivin jen and ashish more than the support crowd they have created.. they can have some scenes but the main characters have to move the story faster..

@ Bold: A lot of the episode was rushed. They could have easily shown us more. Like the preparations of the engagement, Rishi trying to talk to Maya about getting out of the locked room, Maya's planning and preparations to stop the engagement and take Rishi's life. They literally cut out everything. And what happened to Rajiv? He's suddenly disappeared as well. They showed Nandini, but not Rajiv.

@ Red: I think what they established was that Maya and Rishi were on Maya's building's terrace. Rudra went there probably thinking that Rishi had been interested in Maya so maybe he could find Rishi there. Plus as far as Rudra knows, it's the only tall building that Rishi knows about in his sheltered life.

@ Blue: True on the acting, but Rajat still took the cake. Even when he was dead, he was a lot more realistic than Shivin. And Shivin's scene with Maya yesterday was wow, so it was hard to believe that he went from wow to oh my in just a day.

@ Green: They haven't just changed Rudra. Rishi went through a sudden change, Maya went through a sudden change. Now only MJ is left. I wonder if the CVs will suddenly show that he's positive and he has an evil twin brother who did everything. 🤪

@ Purple: I look forward to seeing more of MJ and Maya together in proper long scenes. Not these 2 minute flashbacks.