HS-Mini: Pata nahin kaunse janam ki preet hai - Page 8

Originally posted by: inlieu

She was the one who encouraged HS to open his mother's room up and to welcome Babita in so that some of the misery around his mother's life and death could be washed away. That scene and the follow up could have had immense potential but it all went down the drain. Biggest waste of background material I have ever seen in a show, ITV or otherwise.

I take his silence as not agreeing wholly with NB because it went against his voice overs and his heightened emotions regarding Minnie. Why was he using Babita as a crutch even in front of NB? He could have easily told her he didn't want Minnie to be separated from him because he loved her and wanted her in his life. I don't necessarily see that as selfish. He was willing to support her going so that she had a bright future and would never let his emotions get in the way.

Yeah, it just felt as if they were trying to get to the finish line of season one so they used NB's character to tell us what they wanted to, and get us to take it at face value. The fact that for once in the entire season I found NB's words to be a bit hollow just goes to show that the writing has indeed become sloppy so I don't care anymore. I know what I know about HS and Minnie and I will continue to see things that way.

@bold: Yes, he could have easily shared that with NB....I don't get why he didn't....what was holding him back from sharing it with NB also? Unless the makers want us to accept that what NB was saying is the truth.....that he only talks about stepping up for Mini but when the time came, he usually took Babita's side.

As for selfishness.....my point was that in general when we love a lot, we can become a bit selfish....there is some selfishness in every love to some extent.....you crave the love and warmth of the person you love no matter what.......but there is a way of showing that need.....instead, in the NB scene, they basically showed HS not caring about Mini's future and only needing her to be around to help manage his relationship with Babita. 😕......they put that scene in just so that NB could be shown calling HS selfish for wanting Mini to stay back simply to be a crutch for him and Babita.

Originally posted by: inlieu

THIS is how I want to remember them. I really hope it's not their last hug. I really hope HS and Minnie have one more sentence, hug, anything before she leaves. Not sure what they can achieve in 2 episodes.

I don't think we are going to get any more hugs.....this is likely the end of the road for them. Monday's epi will likely go in Babita's breakdown as Mini leaves and then probably a dragging out of the whole bit of Mini leaving the mohalla. I would be surprised if anything is shown on the HS-Mini front.

Manali scene will be FB or imagination and I don't know if there is space for a hug in that.

There is a reason they showed a sense of finality in the Wednesday HS-Mini scene....that was the complete goodbye they got....cuz after that the letter was going to mess up everything and I guess there was no recovering from that for either of them.

Originally posted by: inlieu

I don't think there's any doubt that they both accept and love each other as father and daughter but because of all the craziness that they've both been through, they kind of lost the fight. I won't say Babita is entirely to blame but she does play a big part in it.

HS' lack of courage has failed him at the worst time possible. I just feel terrible that he has become tongue-tied again like he was with his mother. He came to say something to her but left without doing so.

I think what he meant by 'kaash tu meri apni beti hoti' in the sense that he wished he had raised her since she was born, that he had gotten to see her grow up and that he could exert the haq on her that he now desperately wants to but feels he can't.

The NB-HS scene felt very random. I just discarded the boat analogy. It made no sense. I just felt for once that even NB didn't understand her son's state of mind fully. She looked at him as Babita's husband and not Minnie's father. That was the moment I felt he was truly alone. No body really understood him and the one who usually did, was going away.

Damn the CVs. For the first time, I hate them for what they're doing to this father-daughter story. I am not asking for a happy or sad ending per se. Just make it sensible please. Is that too much to ask?

That voice-over bit was the toughest ever for me to watch. My heart finally broke.

@bold: That's what I always thought he meant too.....but the way this scene was executed didn't leave it that way....especially with Mini in the end giving him an opening with the way she said, "Main aapki lagti bhi kya hoon" and him remaining totally silent.....so it just made it look like he feels they could never bridge the gaps because she wasn't born to him and he couldn't see her grow up.....which is a sad note to leave it at after all the emotional dialogues from Wed of them being greater than baap-beti, how his life resides in her. If his life resides in her, how could he let her think she means nothing to him simply cuz she isn't his blood born kid? What a sad failure. That is the thought Mini was left with and he didn't even bother correcting it.

On top of that, the NB scene made it worse cuz it continued on this same line of thought ki "Mini teri apni beti hoti toh".....suddenly they are all talking like Kammo.....lol

And ofcourse Babita is part of the reason for the mess......she just didn't seem capable of holding this family or relationships together....and because she herself was the biggest mess to manage, it impacted HS and Mini's ability to manage other things, including their own equations.....nahin sambhaal paaye.

Ultimately it's a failure to balance relationships from the adults....that is what it came down to.....HS couldn't balance between mother-daughter and Babita couldn't balance between being wife and mother.

NB probably looked at HS as only Babita's husband cuz that is what he's been doing for the most part since the wedding....he's barely done anything to be even Mini ka Hanuman Uncle since then....leave aside the baap angle. So NB seemed to be implying ki tu ab kya karega, you toh only take Babita's side for everything....so tujhse na hoga kuch. Yes, HS tried to talk to Mini sometimes but overall focus toh Babita pe hi raha HS ka....he couldn't give Mini the attention she needed at this delicate time.

I didn't demand a happy ending necessarily either....I was willing to make my peace with a painful/bittersweet ending of "connection na ban sakaa"....but the writers wanted to show HS as a complete and abject failure I guess.....that's the unfortunate part. I would have gladly felt for this character even with all his flaws and mistakes....they made him more interesting in my eyes....but they basically are ending his character as a helpless coward.....this wasn't needed. The Wednesday scene already established that they lost the fight in some ways but would still always love each other immensely....so what was the point of more repetition of the "I broke your trust" bit? So basically they wanted to show that HS would constantly let down her trust over and over again and that is why this relationship failed? Did they basically just want to kill the love between them as well?

One random thing that I forgot to mention earlier from the Friday scene.....I don't know if it was deliberate for a loop closure from the writers or just a coincidence..... but when HS pulled over the chair to go sit next to Mini and talk to her, I was reminded that their journey began with him pulling a chair out of her hands.....which is another reason why this scene gave a feeling of finality. It started with a chair, and it ended with a chair.....lol

The voice-over aside....the scene was essentially about both of them being like, "Main kaun hoon tumhara".....HS was like, "Who am I to stop you" and Mini was like, "I am no one to you so you why would you bother to stop me".

She wanted him to stop her from leaving.....and he wanted her to first give him the right to stop her.....lol🤔.....the hataash way in which he was like, "who can stop you"....lol pehle hi decide kar liya HS ji ne....waah bhai.

Lol last 3 episodes ke itne discussions ho gaye, mere liye discuss karne ko kuch bacha ni nahi 😆

Originally posted by: MeghnaGhosh

Lol last 3 episodes ke itne discussions ho gaye, mere liye discuss karne ko kuch bacha ni nahi 😆

Lol oh you’re still welcome to add your thoughts, Meghna 😆....waise bhi these are the last few epis of these relationships.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

I don't think we are going to get any more hugs.....this is likely the end of the road for them. Monday's epi will likely go in Babita's breakdown as Mini leaves and then probably a dragging out of the whole bit of Mini leaving the mohalla. I would be surprised if anything is shown on the HS-Mini front.

Manali scene will be FB or imagination and I don't know if there is space for a hug in that.

There is a reason they showed a sense of finality in the Wednesday HS-Mini scene....that was the complete goodbye they got....cuz after that the letter was going to mess up everything and I guess there was no recovering from that for either of them.

I too would be surprised if they show anything else about HS-Minnie. In fact, I was surprised there was anything beyond the terrace scene, which did indeed have a sense of finality. I just wish it had been the last one between them, but alas.

Sigh...

Originally posted by: AreYaar

One random thing that I forgot to mention earlier from the Friday scene.....I don't know if it was deliberate for a loop closure from the writers or just a coincidence..... but when HS pulled over the chair to go sit next to Mini and talk to her, I was reminded that their journey began with him pulling a chair out of her hands.....which is another reason why this scene gave a feeling of finality. It started with a chair, and it ended with a chair.....lol

The voice-over aside....the scene was essentially about both of them being like, "Main kaun hoon tumhara".....HS was like, "Who am I to stop you" and Mini was like, "I am no one to you so you why would you bother to stop me".

She wanted him to stop her from leaving.....and he wanted her to first give him the right to stop her.....lol🤔.....the hataash way in which he was like, "who can stop you"....lol pehle hi decide kar liya HS ji ne....waah bhai.

The waiting for each other to make a first move thing just didn't work. You know, it reminded me of the omelette scene and all those emotions HS had when he was clearly in pain about her leaving but could say or do nothing. He couldn't utter a word to say, please don't go, even though it was one of those moments when they both were just so close and their relationship was on a high.

There's always been something that's stopped him from exerting his rights and the marriage didn't seem to fix that either. I think it's partly because he has always seen mother and especially daughter's affection as unattainable in the way that he would like, that somehow he'd always be an outsider. From his words to NB on Friday, it seemed as if he did kind of believe he'd come between mother and daughter. Don't know...

I hate seeing him so resigned when he's the one who always encouraged mother-daughter to fight for their happiness. Perhaps he's built like that... His guilt about his mother and Imarti makes him feel he is not deserving of happiness, that grief and heartache should be his constant companions. There's an element of self-flagellation that won't go away.

I still don't think he realizes just how much Minnie loves and respects him, in spite of all the issues with Babita that both of them have. She would become distant from Babita but in her heart she would still yearn for HS. If only he knew, it would break his heart all over again to find out that she wanted him so badly to be her father, to hug her tight, that her feelings mirrored his. In a way, she too has stopped exerting her haq on him like she used to in the past.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

Lol oh you’re still welcome to add your thoughts, Meghna 😆....waise bhi these are the last few epis of these relationships.

Last few 😔 we would be analyzing old ones for some time please in the other thread😭

@bold sure I would 😊

Originally posted by: inlieu

There's always been something that's stopped him from exerting his rights and the marriage didn't seem to fix that either. I think it's partly because he has always seen mother and especially daughter's affection as unattainable in the way that he would like, that somehow he'd always be an outsider. From his words to NB on Friday, it seemed as if he did kind of believe he'd come between mother and daughter. Don't know...

I hate seeing him so resigned when he's the one who always encouraged mother-daughter to fight for their happiness. Perhaps he's built like that... His guilt about his mother and Imarti makes him feel he is not deserving of happiness, that grief and heartache should be his constant companions. There's an element of self-flagellation that won't go away.

This....this is exactly what it seems to be. There is an element of self-flagellation that just seems impossible for him to overcome. The irony is that he wanted Babita to overcome her sense of victimization and empower herself but when it came to himself, he also couldn't rise above this martyrdom and low self-esteem he's drowned himself in? 😕.....Dusron ko gyaan baant diya but khud ke liye same gyaan doesn't apply? Mini rightly pointed out many times that he finds it easier to dispense gyaan than follow it himself....he kinda needed Mini ki khari baatein many times for this to be pointed out to him.

Yes, I do think he feels he's come between mother-daughter in some ways but the writers unfortunately have not consistently followed up on that line of thought....it's very vague and open to interpretation....all they keep falling back on over and over again is HS being shown to supposedly only want Mini around to maintain the stability of his relationship with Babita. They again made him look like a selfish coward in the scene with NB.....the way they make him mouth these lines about "mera aur makaanmaalkin ji ka rishta bhi effect ho jaayega if Mini leaves" just sounds so disappointingly selfish.....Ah well, I need to ignore that scene for my sanity if I want to get closure on season 1 and remember the original HS.