Minnie is wrong about various dimensions of abusive relationship.

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Posted: 6 years ago
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First few minutes of episode were probably the worst part of the series for me. Not only they implied that all the crap babita went through was because her own stupid obsession with image but also that victims are equally responsible for abuse. The idea of power Dynamics in relationship between DIL and in-laws was thrown out of the window. They made mockery of the victims of abuse.

* Last part of the post is not about the episode itself, but I think it's really worth sharing.*

A brief account of what Minnie said to babita:

Babita still cares about Khuranas, but doesn't want to show it as she thinks that HS might interpret it as her link to Ashok's relatives. And she is pretending to not care to act like a good wife. And in doing so, she is coming off as a very selfish person.And whatever type of people Senior Khuranas are, they're not her enemies.

They are not best addition to her life either.

So what if they didn't love babes like a daughter, where do such in-laws exist anyways? Babita's parents were like dadu biji too. Saroj didn't protested.

Okay. No one expects in-laws to love DIL like daughter,but fairness is certainly expected. So since all in-laws are going to be partial towards own daughter, DIL shouldn't expect fair treatment. Saroj accepted the reality, babita should too.

And what efforts babita's parents made to send her to London? So why is she not angry at her own parents rather than dadu biji? How exactly dadu biji are responsible for everything?

Hmm. So babita's parents would have equal weight as dadu and biji as far as Ashok's choices are concerned? Or maybe it was beti paraya dhan mentality? Maybe they didn't want to meddle in her sasural? And I am not sure when they died,but maybe they thought when Ashok will settle down he will actually take babita with him and died within a year or two?

And after all, they happily accepted babita's union with Hanuman. And lovely, no matter how much she taunted babita, despite her jealous nature, lovely never wished ill for babita. So don't blame dadu biji lovely sukhi.

Did they have any reason to get upset about ex DIL getting married again? Were they really in a position to object? Would their objection matter? And give Lovely a cookie for never wishing ill for babita-who shared her clothes jewellery, cooked dishes for her Kitty parties without expecting anything in return. Lovely is so benevolent! She meets basic criteria for decency despite being jealous sister in-law. They felt happy for you babita, your in-laws who enjoyed your services for 17 years, were finally happy you- so lucky!

And now the worst of all: babita blamed everyone for not taking stand for her, did she ever stood firmly for herself? No. Then why is she blaming dadu biji? They are not the only one responsible, babita is equally responsible for what happened.

There you go! Why did babita not speak up? She has functional vocal cords and intact broca and Wernicke's area in brain. Just use them. It's so easy to speak up. Had babita speak , things would have been different today. Maybe yes, maybe no.

The reason why Minnie thinks that dadu biji are not THAT bad and Babes is not so blameless is because she has not faced the burns of their misogynistic mentality but babita did.

She lost 17 freaking years of her youth. Let's forget about divorce for a while. But think about this phase of the life- 17 to 35, where we normally think about education, career , our own dreams. We have dreams and we have energy to fulfill them. Just imagine wasting this phase of your life doing unpaid labour ( yes that's unpaid labour even though it's done voluntarily). And then realizing that those people were not really worth it. What in the world can give her that phase of her life back?

Why she didn't speak up? Well, once #WhyIstayed trended on Twitter. And a lot of victims of abusive relationship came forward with their stories. I'm quoting some of them. (These women were victims of physical abuse, babita's case might not involve violence but things these women said is apt in her case too).

"I was told, yes, he was deeply flawed, but then again so was I. And so I worked on myself and stayed. If he was a monster all the time, perhaps it would have been easier to leave. But he could be kind and sensitive. And so I stayed. He cried and apologized. And so I stayed."

Abuse is not always physical. Abusers are not always monsters. They have soft side too, and that's why it's hard to break relationship.

Another one said,

"Emotional abuse, manipulation and gaslighting have wreaked havoc on our self-esteem, and we do not trust our own thoughts or feelings.

Gaslighting is a term describing a form of mental abuse in which the victim is manipulated into doubting their own memory, perceptions or sanity.

...he started telling me other things. I was mentally ill, delusional. I belonged in a psychiatric hospital because I couldn't even see how f...d up I was. I was cruel and manipulative. I was selfish and immature and I couldn't do anything right. I couldn't take accountability for my own flaws, which was why I was always blaming him of abusing me, when actually it was the other way around. My own thoughts and feelings were an inaccurate representation of what was actually happening, so therefore I shouldn't trust them.

So insistent was he that eventually, I had to wonder -- could he be right? Maybe all those times he claimed I'd been dishonest, I really was lying, and I was just so mentally ill that I'd lost the ability to separate truth from fiction. Maybe I really was a sh*tty, abusive person at my core. Maybe I couldn't take care of myself.

It got so bad that I stopped trusting any of my thoughts, feelings or emotions in just about every situation."


Women don't stay in abusive relationship to look mahaan, there are multiple reasons why victims stay in such relationship. Many financially independent women tolerate abuse, many educated outspoken women tolerate abuse.

They end up accepting abuse as a price they pay for love and affection.

AND IT'S NOT THEIR FAULT THAT THEY'RE VICTIMS. PUT BLAME WHERE IT BELONGS.


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Posted: 6 years ago
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I know that Lovely verbally abused Babes for which she is a piece of shit however I don’t recall her in-laws abusing Babes? They didn’t manage the situation well but we don’t know what really happened during those 17 years ...Babes remembers things one way and her in-laws remember it another way

Babita basically said her and Ashok had a loving marriage but eventually became distant. He became an asshole once he came back with Meeta

Can you provide some insight re how Babes is a victim of domestic abuse by her in-laws?

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Posted: 6 years ago
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One of the best post till now I just so love the way you voice out each thing here so damn true

Ask about abuse and victim being silent not fighting or voicing about it it's actually come cause of many reason

And yet seeing how such a show showing this and the youth a teenger is mentioning about each thing pointing out to mother was so damn typical orthodox thoughtful type and bad it's doesn't go well

Abuse Is abuse either it's physical sexsual mental emotional it's still abuse people need to get award of it. And fight against it as well.

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Posted: 6 years ago
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If Babita was abused that badly why did she run back to ashok's house to feed Biji soup after she left the house .

Until the wedding day Babita was never shown to hate her in-laws with such intensity but suddenly she took a 360 degree turn.

The writers flip the characters so much that it is not possible to apply the knowledge of psychology to them . These are not real life characters.

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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: silvermoonlight

I know that Lovely verbally abused Babes for which she is a piece of shit however I don’t recall her in-laws abusing Babes? They didn’t manage the situation well but we don’t know what really happened during those 17 years ...Babes remembers things one way and her in-laws remember it another way

Babita basically said her and Ashok had a loving marriage but eventually became distant. He became an asshole once he came back with Meeta

Can you provide some insight re how Babes is a victim of domestic abuse by her in-laws?

Babita did not say they abused her.. she said they did injustice by not stopping Lovely or guiding their son in right direction

Ashok and Babita lived together for only a while.. then lived apart for years.. men usually don't show their assholish side immediately after wedding. It takes some time

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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: sunaina02

If Babita was abused that badly why did she run back to ashok's house to feed Biji soup after she left the house .

Until the wedding day Babita was never shown to hate her in-laws with such intensity but suddenly she took a 360 degree turn.

The writers flip the characters so much that it is not possible to apply the knowledge of psychology to them . These are not real life characters.

Babita actually was not even voicing anything against Khuranas till Biji tried to stop her from bashing Lovely.. that's when she lost control

She gave them 17 years of her life.. tolerated all the taunts and never answered back.. Khuranas never stood up for her.. then on the biggest day of her life, Lovely again starts her taunts and calls Babita a bad mother.. Babita finally answers back only to have Biji come to her daughter's defense.. how do you think that would feel? If you can voice out in defense of your daughter, why couldn't you do it for me who took care of you for so long? Isn't that basic decency?

Babita loved Khuranas and is still attached to them.. she does not want bad for them.. that does not mean she cannot be bitter about them allienating her so much

Why is she expected to be human to them when they never were?

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Originally posted by: zehreeli.kheer

Babita did not say they abused her.. she said they did injustice by not stopping Lovely or guiding their son in right direction

Ashok and Babita lived together for only a while.. then lived apart for years.. men usually don't show their assholish side immediately after wedding. It takes some time

I’m not saying Babes said they abused her

My question is for the OP who through her post is stating that Babes was a victim of abuse

However aside from a few times Beeji acted like a typical and sometimes stupid mother , I don’t see any scenes indicating abuse ? Misunderstandings and handling a situation with bad judgment is one thing and flat out abuse is another

Also Ashok showed his asshole side once it was determined he no longer wanted to be with Babes ..which was 17 years later ...that’s more than “a while”

Babes has gone through some bad shit with Lovely who I would say is abusive but Babita could have shut that down quickly especially since Lovely is younger than her. Also Lovely only became a bitch after marriage and realizing she couldn’t conceive ..which was maybe last 6 years or so ..so who abused and taunted her from the last 11 years ?

I haven’t seen Sr k taunt Babes thus far ? Beeji has said some stupid thing here n there but she also supported Babes getting her degree

Babes always spoke so nicely of them previously so I’m not connecting the dots to them going from supporting their DIL to get a degree to being abusive ??

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Posted: 6 years ago
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This is just a Indian TV serial and writers usually forget what they have shown 6 months back and flip-flop the events and characters .

IMO it is wrong of Babita to tell Mini not to see her Dadu and Biji. Mini is their grand daughter and has every right to be with them . She will be 18 soon and will be able to decide what she wants .

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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: silvermoonlight

I know that Lovely verbally abused Babes for which she is a piece of shit however I don’t recall her in-laws abusing Babes? They didn’t manage the situation well but we don’t know what really happened during those 17 years ...Babes remembers things one way and her in-laws remember it another way

Babita basically said her and Ashok had a loving marriage but eventually became distant. He became an asshole once he came back with Meeta

Can you provide some insight re how Babes is a victim of domestic abuse by her in-laws?

In-laws used her as per their convenience. And turned their faces away when they had to make hard choice. They used her for 17 years as a glorified housemaid, and just because babita was okay with being used doesn't not relieve Khuranas from their misdeeds. In one of the previous episodes Minnie told biji that they wouldn't have tolerated babita had she not served them for 17 years. And the word abuse does not necessarily mean physical or mental torture. Deprived someone from their needs, not rewarding them for their contribution all fall under abuse. Babita was used, deprived of the life a wife deserves and got nothing in return for unpaid labour she did for 17 years. That is abuse.

Also, relationship between abusers and victims are not always sour. In fact more often it's apparantly loving relationship where people are abused. Sure there are bad moments, but there are good moments too, and those good moments are the reason people choose to give another chance to abusers.

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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: sunaina02

If Babita was abused that badly why did she run back to ashok's house to feed Biji soup after she left the house .

Until the wedding day Babita was never shown to hate her in-laws with such intensity but suddenly she took a 360 degree turn.

The writers flip the characters so much that it is not possible to apply the knowledge of psychology to them . These are not real life characters.

Because they actually shared cordial relation. Having a good relationship doesn't protect anyone from being abused. And standing up against abuse is not a decision, it's a process. It's difficult because more often than not you have to stand up against someone you love, and it's more difficult than to stand up against monsters. One needs a lot of work and courage to break up a relationship because it's not all bad, it was good too.

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