Loyality Vs morality - Page 2

Good topic to discuss right in the morning 😛😆

Coming to the topic I would say for me hit and run deserves punishment and he ought to face it whatever be the circumstances, anger or enmity between them. This kind of behaviour isn't acceptable just bcoz he said he is not a saint. That doesn't give him a licence to kill.

Regarding Prerna nothing much to say and expect from her as she is easily the worst written FL of ITV. So no comments on her.

I read reference to the movie Tum Bin in the thread. There it wasn't a situation where the person sped up just bcoz he was angry with the other one. Also there was a proper redemption track shown where Shekhar earned forgiveness for himself from Amar' s family not whitewashed saying that everything is fair for a person who isn't a saint.

So there is a difference between whitewash and redemption. Here if they go for a proper redemption track of Bajaj and then Prerna falls in love with him then I have no issues but this whitewash is what I'm not able to justify and accept. So it clearly shows the desperation of the writers to show him as a good human being so that the romantic track can start soon. But this rush is what is causing the downfall totally.

Whatever wrong might have been done to him in the past it can't justify his current deeds. Also if he is justified bcoz of xyz reasons then even Anurag will be justified to do anything with him as his life too has been destroyed. But just bcoz he said he is not a saint doesn't give him a free pass.

So for me he deserves to be punished in the court of law for hit and run.

Bless you for this topic.

I have been feeling the same...and to me this scenario is a direct representation of what is wrong with thinking process of our society. pls note bajaj dd say that when he saw mr basu he go angry and started speeding towards him. which is a deliberate act of harm towards the other person. He may have done good deeds and been a good man but this act is seperate to any of that.

The way prerna reacted was so unnatural, she wants anu to recover and mr bajaj what he did she classified it as galti se mistake ho gaya?

on Indian Roads we have 5.5lakh accidents every year with 1.5 lakh people dying every single year...how many irrensponsible drivers do you think suffer from guilt and guilt to what extent? If guilt was all we were to swear by the world wouldnt be the way it is.

This is a very Lame turn that the cv's have taken...and they dont know which turn to take here...and we all know. Mr bajaj will go to jail for once and be back, that aint justice.

main kuch zyada hi senti ho gayi...😭

Just stop it dear. Nothing is going to change. Its hell irritating yet upsetting to see character that are soo blind. Man is in dead bed..but still both act soo victim. I had enough after reading today epi with lady. I cant describe a word for her. She us hell irritating and everything. I just want her out of his house.

Originally posted by: Reemz11

TB is a classic!

Shekhar and Amar has one meeting, they were fond of each other. Nobody is saying running away is right but even the nicest of people can become cowardly and Bajaj isn’t the ‘nicest’ of people. He hates the Basus so he’s not even going to pretend to be overly emotional about the incident but he does feel guilt. Shekhar didn’t come back that night, Bajaj came back within a few minutes. He shouldn’t have left, correct but he came back and if he was that bad he wouldn’t have done that.

The whole 99% people misunderstand you dialogue had significance. It’s because that 1% (Prerna) doesn’t think Bajaj is as bad as everyone thinks he is. Maybe she should’ve been angry, maybe she should’ve slapped him but maybe she just trusts him to know he wouldn’t have done it intentionally even if the 99% believe otherwise.

@ bold : that's because he had checked on Amar dt very instant. Just after the accident happened he went to check on him , tried to revive him ,even wanted to take him to a hospital. But Amar was dead .....and dey confirmed it before they left.They did not leave him to die ......so that makes it entirely different. Also the point remains dt inspite of having fallen in love wid Shekhar ,Piya had a very genuine reaction. She knew it was wrong......until she heard his full story from Amar's father.

Point is this isn't about Bajaj ,it's about Prerna immediately stating a wrong doing as a mistake. Just many mother's tell der son's eve teasing as a mistake.......it only enables a person ..... doesn't rectify his mistakes.

Also helping an injured person is a human act......whoever it may be and however you may like or dislike d person.Doctors save convicted criminals...... And here anurag was just a person he dislikes .

Originally posted by: aryapdane

I don't know if you got the memo but Bajaj didn't claim to be a saint ever. Also we don't know about his back story, so let's not judge if the revenge he wanted to take was justified or not.

Bajaj fans don't pretend that he is all good. We know he's a selfish person who takes advantage of situations. He doesn't do the right thing but does the right thing for himself. And we like him because deep down we all do things we're not proud of. We make mistakes. We're all made of both virtues and vices. Does that mean we don't deserve to be loved? I don't think so.

Bold1: Do yo know something that the rest of us don't know where Anurag specifically did some heinous deed to Bajaj or his family?....Because as far as the show is concerned Anurag has never even heard of Bajaj till he started hounding his company? If you mean Arnurag's family what does he have to do with something that his family might or might not have done to Bajaj?

Bold2: You do realize that people are going to call out grave misdeeds that create havoc in people's life like the "deal" marriage or the hit and run...right? You guys loving him as he is, does not mean the rest of the people are not going to call him out for such deeds. That's what is happening here.

You guys can keep loving him for what ever he does and we will keep calling him out for what he does as we have done in this forum from get go for ALL CHARCTERS in th SHOW!......FAIR ENOUGH?

People only discuss it with you guys when his actions are being DEFENDED. Not for loving him as he is. If what you mean is YES HE IS WRONG, BUT WE LOVE HIM....I don't think anyone is going to keep discussing anything with regards to that statement (not to mention against forum rules and such posts would not see the light of the day anyway). IT's your choice, your right, end of discussion.

Originally posted by: MERARAI

People do flee the scene of the accident after committing the crime. But in this instance, while Anu was bleeding on the road, Baj sat in his car and didn’t run to help but just drove away. Time is old 5he essence in these situations. The time between when he went home and returned could have meant life or death for 5he victim.

He showed no remorse and Pre blindly believed his story it was an accident. He mentioned he saw Anu got angry and ran into him. How does that fall under accident. It’s more like road rage.

He’s been up to no good with his string of crimes from blackmail to hit and run and got away with it. It’s as if he’s trying to push the envelope to see what more he can get away with. Given he came into town wanting revenge on Anu this could well be construed as motive to hit Anu with his car.

Baj stood by as Anu was put behind bars and suppressed evidence that would have exonerated Anu. Baj is far from being a hero so far he’s a villain.

@ bold : Very true.

Dts what I was saying. It doesn't matter if it was intentional or not .......leaving an injured person on the road when you are the one who is responsible for his condition.........this just shows how indifferent you are to someone's pain.

But I'm more disturbed by Prerna's behaviour. Fine she thinks the accident was not intentional but still she must understand that he fleed the spot without helping a dying person......how can she not find it extremely wrong on any human's part. She is just enabling him.

Originally posted by: SheAish

Bold1: Do yo know something that the rest of us don't know where Anurag specifically did some heinous deed to Bajaj or his family?....Because as far as the show is concerned Anurag has never even heard of Bajaj till he started hounding his company? If you mean Arnurag's family what does he have to do with something that his family might or might not have done to Bajaj?

Bold2: You do realize that people are going to call out grave misdeeds that create havoc in people's life like the "deal" marriage or the hit and run...right? You guys loving him as he is, does not mean the rest of the people are not going to call him out for such deeds. That's what is happening here.

You guys can keep loving him for what ever he does and we will keep calling him out for what he does as we have done in this forum from get go for ALL CHARCTERS in th SHOW!......FAIR ENOUGH?

People only discuss it with you guys when his actions are being DEFENDED. Not for loving him as he is. If what you mean is YES HE IS WRONG, BUT WE LOVE HIM....I don't think anyone is going to keep discussing anything with regards to that statement (not to mention against forum rules and such posts would not see the light of the day anyway). IT's your choice, your right, end of discussion.

I don't know anything about the show that the rest of you don't know. What I do know is this theory of rationality that is know as Fundamental Attribution Error. In an unsavoury situation, people are quick to judge other people's actions as bad and do not bother to wonder if there is a reason for those actions. Wait for the backstory before signing off a judgement. The next thing you say is if Anurag's family has done something to Bajaj, why should Anurag suffer. So let's go back to the events of the show because I don't know why, but people choose to forget whatever they see in the show, and then change the frame of the situation and make it about higher ideals of life..🙄

In the beginning, Mr. Bajaj's vendetta is against the Basu publications, which Anurag happens to run. So it is clear that Bajaj wants a revenge from the entire Basu family and Anurag has taken it upon himself to prevent Bajaj from harming them. Now if you cry out that this isn't fair, I can only tell you with all humility that life isn't fair. And till we know what Bajaj's bitter past is with the Basus, passing a judgement will be erroneous. Because what was dealt out to him might not have been fair either.

The next point you raised was sadly however on passing judgements on people.. I'm so glad that you called it a deal marriage (albeit under quotes) because that's exactly what it was. A deal. With the devil? You may say that and I won't argue. Prerna went to make a deal, was aware of who she was going to, made a choice, laid out conditions that were kept and then, the marriage happened. Is it ideal for a man to marry a woman in such circumstances? No, it's not. But Bajaj said he couldn't try the conventional way because he was out of time. So he took advantage of an opportunity. Which he didn't create by his actions, mind you. The next accusation on him isn't going to be why he isn't a do-gooder, I hope.

Coming to the so called 'hit and run', he only "ran" because he realised the mob was getting violent and agitated. And he didn't want to be lynched. Is self preservation a vice? Then it's a vice that I'd like everyone to have. And choosing to confront a situation that will surely be physically harmful if not life threatening isn't bravery but plain stupidity. Also, all fault lies with the driver always, no? Pedestrians have no duties? How is Anurag getting a clean bill for stopping in the middle of the road, seeing a car come at him and not doing anything to get out of the way?

Also Bajaj went and reported the case himself to the police.. So if he hit and ran, then he ran to the police station. Also, the police officer said we're investigating. So let's wait for the results of this investigation.

I won't even try to make a point on if it's fair to call people out for things they choose to do when we can't place ourselves in their shoes.. and by that I don't mean to say that I'm asking anyone to imagine what they'd do in place of Mr. Bajaj. Everyone is different. They come from different backgrounds and circumstances and their codes of morals and values may differ from others. So let's not make statements like I'd have done this... He should've done this... Until we learn every fact that is to be learnt or can be learnt. And if we really want to ask a question, it should be: given all the irritation and a litany of false accusations, the constant provocation, the personality that Mr. Bajaj has, the situation of the mob and the requirement of making an instant decision, would you have chosen to behave differently?

And thank you for so graciously allowing me to love the person I love despite his faults and vices. And I'll return the favour by not judging people out there for loving and defending a stalking, manhandling, obsessive woman-hitter.

Cheers..😁

Originally posted by: aryapdane

Coming to the so called 'hit and run', he only "ran" because he realised the mob was getting violent and agitated. And he didn't want to be lynched. Is self preservation a vice? Then it's a vice that I'd like everyone to have. And choosing to confront a situation that will surely be physically harmful if not life threatening isn't bravery but plain stupidity. Also, all fault lies with the driver always, no? Pedestrians have no duties? How is Anurag getting a clean bill for stopping in the middle of the road, seeing a car come at him and not doing anything to get out of the way?

I am sorry, but you are defending bajaj's self defence because he was afraid of getting lynched?

This whole agitated mob situation wouldn't have come if he had shown the humanity to get out of the car and helping the victim instead of sitting in his car. What was he expecting that he would just keep waiting there and mob would greet him?

If mob fear was a valid argument , hit and run would never have been a crime. You hit, you run coz you fear the mob all in the name of Self preservation.

Originally posted by: aryapdane

I don't know anything about the show that the rest of you don't know. What I do know is this theory of rationality that is know as Fundamental Attribution Error. In an unsavoury situation, people are quick to judge other people's actions as bad and do not bother to wonder if there is a reason for those actions. Wait for the backstory before signing off a judgement. The next thing you say is if Anurag's family has done something to Bajaj, why should Anurag suffer. So let's go back to the events of the show because I don't know why, but people choose to forget whatever they see in the show, and then change the frame of the situation and make it about higher ideals of life..🙄

In the beginning, Mr. Bajaj's vendetta is against the Basu publications, which Anurag happens to run. So it is clear that Bajaj wants a revenge from the entire Basu family and Anurag has taken it upon himself to prevent Bajaj from harming them. Now if you cry out that this isn't fair, I can only tell you with all humility that life isn't fair. And till we know what Bajaj's bitter past is with the Basus, passing a judgement will be erroneous. Because what was dealt out to him might not have been fair either.

The next point you raised was sadly however on passing judgements on people.. I'm so glad that you called it a deal marriage (albeit under quotes) because that's exactly what it was. A deal. With the devil? You may say that and I won't argue. Prerna went to make a deal, was aware of who she was going to, made a choice, laid out conditions that were kept and then, the marriage happened. Is it ideal for a man to marry a woman in such circumstances? No, it's not. But Bajaj said he couldn't try the conventional way because he was out of time. So he took advantage of an opportunity. Which he didn't create by his actions, mind you. The next accusation on him isn't going to be why he isn't a do-gooder, I hope.

Coming to the so called 'hit and run', he only "ran" because he realised the mob was getting violent and agitated. And he didn't want to be lynched. Is self preservation a vice? Then it's a vice that I'd like everyone to have. And choosing to confront a situation that will surely be physically harmful if not life threatening isn't bravery but plain stupidity. Also, all fault lies with the driver always, no? Pedestrians have no duties? How is Anurag getting a clean bill for stopping in the middle of the road, seeing a car come at him and not doing anything to get out of the way?

Also Bajaj went and reported the case himself to the police.. So if he hit and ran, then he ran to the police station. Also, the police officer said we're investigating. So let's wait for the results of this investigation.

I won't even try to make a point on if it's fair to call people out for things they choose to do when we can't place ourselves in their shoes.. and by that I don't mean to say that I'm asking anyone to imagine what they'd do in place of Mr. Bajaj. Everyone is different. They come from different backgrounds and circumstances and their codes of morals and values may differ from others. So let's not make statements like I'd have done this... He should've done this... Until we learn every fact that is to be learnt or can be learnt. And if we really want to ask a question, it should be: given all the irritation and a litany of false accusations, the constant provocation, the personality that Mr. Bajaj has, the situation of the mob and the requirement of making an instant decision, would you have chosen to behave differently?

And thank you for so graciously allowing me to love the person I love despite his faults and vices. And I'll return the favour by not judging people out there for loving and defending a stalking, manhandling, obsessive woman-hitter.

Cheers..😁

Ummm you can corroborate with any of your buddies who have watched the show from the beginning....Nothing has been shown of Anurag even knowing Bajaj before he came after Basu company which you yourselves mention here.

Now if you choose to give more leverage to a back story of Bajaj that may or may not have anything to do with Anurag or Basus then its your prerogative. I choose to go by what has been shown so far....Deal?

As for loving and defending a stalking, manhandling, obsessive woman-hitter.....LOL Yeah we are funny like that...because we hold everyone who do the same things to same standards which is why we used to LOVE Pre too despite that she stalked, woman-handled, and behaved obsessive with Anurag during Anukom marriage. Oh and Pre actually has hit Anu more times than Anu and never even apologized which Anu did right after hitting her once...But we also understand WHY both of them did all those things with each other.....just like you seem to understand Bajaj.

So far, what ever Pre and Anu have done to each other as lovers are totally incomparable to Bajaj's blackmail of Pre, withholding crucial evidence against an ongoing murder case, and hit and run where the injured was left in a pool of blood on the road side.....IN MY OPINION. You are welcome to yours. And I'll agree to disagree here with you.

Since I think we are both now clear on where we stand and agree to disagree I'll end our discussion here.

Originally posted by: Ananya05

I am sorry, but you are defending bajaj's self defence because he was afraid of getting lynched?

This whole agitated mob situation wouldn't have come if he had shown the humanity to get out of the car and helping the victim instead of sitting in his car. What was he expecting that he would just keep waiting there and mob would greet him?

If mob fear was a valid argument , hit and run would never have been a crime. You hit, you run coz you fear the mob all in the name of Self preservation.

Ana, you didnt hear him. He went into a trance..it's.not his fault..he came back to take.him to the hospital. If needed he will also keep solah somvaar for anurags health.

Can we have a constitution change please for mr bajaj. Hit and run should be changed to hit and come back after sometime which should be pardonable.