Sept 3rd: Kisne bola gussa karne waale log achhe nahin hote? - Page 4

Originally posted by: NimbuMirchi

It's a romantic song. About intimacy. Both haven't been intimate for years. Discovering the desire again. Perfectly suits them.

Oh okay I checked the lyrics again. I was just thinking about the Vinod Khanna visualisation pining for Juhi Chawla's character.

But yeah, the last verse makes perfect sense this way!

Originally posted by: Mishti_Dahi

Babita is someone who is extremely image conscious. Its not just log kya kahenge, it is something to do with I need validation and proof to believe I'm good. And this constant pressure and fear and want of not being labelled bad is killing her from within, not allowing her true freedom and happiness.

She lives the life of a theoretical ideal woman and she's not being just herself. Isiliye she said yesterday - she should return for what, to hear that what she's doing is a sin?

Going back wasn't worth being called an immoral woman.

She needs to free herself from this pressure of being 'good' all the time. She has accepted for now, that she ain't that good. But this is nothing to be guilty about. It is a part of her personality and that she should accept unapologetically.

I think this will lead to Babita feeling guilty of her own desires - something that PH had pointed out. And I can't wait to see how they deal with it, cause this is something very real and relatable.

True...and that is a result of the social conditioning she has lived though. It’s a lot of suffocating baggage to live with because it has ended up defining her life.

She threw off some of these shackles when she took a stand to divorce Ashok. One of the most powerful scenes to me was the one where she states in court that having constantly faced questions on her character, her choices, she’s reached a point of not giving a damn....she was pushed to that point in the Ashok situation....her anger gave her courage somewhere. But what she’s facing now is vulnerability again....she is feeling vulnerable because her emotions for Hanuman are now out in the open for scrutiny and judgement....and she’s grappling with another cycle of finding that courage inside to not let people’s expectations define her.

Both Hanuman and Babita sometimes find courage when they are pushed and prodded to a point by the people in their lives.

Originally posted by: NimbuMirchi

Areyaar -- I can so feel ya. I am the same. I am so much in awe of writing, of all character arc, of all evolving relationships.. that I want to say so much and yet are failing to find words.

You have summed up last episode so well. Mini turned out fearless coz growing up she saw, her mother do not have courage. This gave her the courage, coz she knew she has to defend herself and her mom. I have seen this in real life too. Often, kids of meek and under-confident parents kids turn out to be courageous and fearless. They learn that they have to stand up for themselves. Makes them stronger, tougher. It's such a blessing in disguise.

I see a lot of myself in Mini. I grew up in joint family. My parents have great understanding. But Mom would not say to Dad about all the taunts and arguments that happened during the day. Neither would she ever stand up for herself. She is low on confidence but she is extremely strong on the inside. Appears weak, depends on us for every decisions but when time comes, she can sail through troubles and keep all of us together too. That is why I can understand Babita's character arc and feel for her. Since childhood, I learned that we have to fight for our right. In lot of episodes Mini keeps telling Babes that haaye babes, you are so cute. Instantly reminds me of my Mom, I say that to my Mom a lot. And, Babes is cute though. The way she was saying, Mini jab sabko sunati thi to mujhe man hi man mein aschha lagta tha. Lekin, kisi ke bare mein bura chahna toh paap hai na ji. haaye so sweet. So real. Hanuman had the same expressions ki kitni cute hai yeh bandi.

Hey thanks! Glad to know my thoughts didn’t come out as jumbled as they felt while typing. Haha....this binge watching has been such an emotionally satisfying experience....I feel a sense of faith in a writing team after ages.

Really enjoyed reading your thoughts as well!

Mini - our most gorgeous girl, Queen Victoria, Veer Balika....she is one special special child. I already have a HUGE soft corner for Ashnoor because I loved her as Nanhi in NBT....isn’t it a funny coincidence that Nanhi and Mini both mean the same thing? Small? 😆....and I adore both these iterations of Ashnoor. She’s gotten the chance to explore so much more with Mini.

Her equation with Babita is just precious...the love between them, the sense of interchangeable roles...the way they take turns being mother and daughter to each other...There is so much there to warm the heart. You’ve described it so aptly....the way a child can find courage to become more fearless to protect their emotionally fragile parents.

One doesn’t even need to have a mother as soft as Babita to be able to connect with what Mini feels for her....it reminds me so much of my Mom too.

@bold: Word. You’ve nailed it. Babita is low on confidence but there is immense strength inside her.....she stood strong when Mini faced depression...she rose to the challenge....even though Mini acts like her mother, motherhood itself is what Babita draws a lot of her strength from....her love for Mini is what anchors her no matter how adrift she feels.

What’s lovely is that Mini is able to see her both as a mom and as a woman and the different needs for both those sides to her. And Babita tries in her own way to give her daughter everything she never had....independence and immense love.

Lol that last bit...yes, Babes is deffo adorable...Hanuman is so enchanted by her innocence...such an endearing look he gave her there 😆

Originally posted by: NimbuMirchi

That score on the pooja day when he was coming down the stairs to propose is one the best I have heard. It's so perfect.

I also love the song selections.

Sahiba, Rangrez, Dheere Jalna, Hath chhute bhi toh from Pinjar, Katra Katra (so beautifully picturized).

I want the this song to be picturized on them -- Lagi aaj saavan ki fir woh jhadi hai. I listen to this song on gaana and instantly connect it to HS & Babes.

Word, WORD on the song choices! They’ve been so apt at every point and just floored me! 👏🏻

The Phillauri songs were especially apt for those early days ❤️.....and Dheere Jalna was so brilliantly used to convey that raw passion and intimacy of the pottery scene without a single exchange of words.

Lagi aaj Saawan ki phir woh jhadi hai would definitely be a fantastic and apt choice for HB as they explore that desire again. There is so much bottled up inside both of them, it will likely need the metaphor of rain to burst forth one day. The lyrics are so apt in that song.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

Hey thanks! Glad to know my thoughts didn’t come out as jumbled as they felt while typing. Haha....this binge watching has been such an emotionally satisfying experience....I feel a sense of faith in a writing team after ages.

Really enjoyed reading your thoughts as well!

Mini - our most gorgeous girl, Queen Victoria, Veer Balika....she is one special special child. I already have a HUGE soft corner for Ashnoor because I loved her as Nanhi in NBT....isn’t it a funny coincidence that Nanhi and Mini both mean the same thing? Small? 😆....and I adore both these iterations of Ashnoor. She’s gotten the chance to explore so much more with Mini.

Her equation with Babita is just precious...the love between them, the sense of interchangeable roles...the way they take turns being mother and daughter to each other...There is so much there to warm the heart. You’ve described it so aptly....the way a child can find courage to become more fearless to protect their emotionally fragile parents.

One doesn’t even need to have a mother as soft as Babita to be able to connect with what Mini feels for her....it reminds me so much of my Mom too.

@bold: Word. You’ve nailed it. Babita is low on confidence but there is immense strength inside her.....she stood strong when Mini faced depression...she rose to the challenge....even though Mini acts like her mother, motherhood itself is what Babita draws a lot of her strength from....her love for Mini is what anchors her no matter how adrift she feels.

What’s lovely is that Mini is able to see her both as a mom and as a woman and the different needs for both those sides to her. And Babita tries in her own way to give her daughter everything she never had....independence and immense love.

Lol that last bit...yes, Babes is deffo adorable...Hanuman is so enchanted by her innocence...such an endearing look he gave her there 😆

I love when anyone points a finger at Mini and Babita always says -- Meri beti mera ghuroor hai.

Her posture changes. Her eyes shines with pride. Her face lights up. There's so much emotions she has while saying so. It describes Mini overall. Paridhi has nailed Babes.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

I will add one more thought.

I think Babita doesn’t want to be put on a pedestal...which she has been all her life as a mahaan bahu. Her in-laws have revered her as an ideal DIL...and somewhere she is stifled by those expectations....that may be another reason why she kept telling Hanuman that she isn’t as good as he thinks she is.

I think Babita wants Hanuman especially to treat her like a woman...like a human being rather than a fragile doll sitting on a pedestal. Sitting on a pedestal keeps her distant, but she is actually craving that kind of raw affection deep inside.

The irony is that she wants it but still freezes up if Hanuman expresses anything directly. She has so much bottled up inside her that hasn’t found an outlet yet and comes out as tears. And her tears make Hanuman treat her even more delicately....but I think ultimately she doesn’t want that delicate treatment....she wants to be treated like a full blooded woman.

But a lot of healing needs to happen to get to that point. For both her and Hanuman.

Yup. This was something some of the members had discussed before but in relation to HS. He too, had been placed on a high pedestal first by Minnie, and then by Babita in some respects. Minnie still sees HS as being "perfect" or close to it and thus strives to always live up to her expectations. Babes, on the other hand, doesn't want someone perfect otherwise she'll end up always feeling inferior to him. It's why she doesn't want to be seen in the same lens either. She spent 17 years being that perfect ideal and look at what happened? Betrayed, rendered homeless, humiliated, character assassinated, molested, manipulated, exploited and so much more. If she was truly perfect then none of this would have happened to her but it did. All these events have left her scarred beyond words and all she wants from HS is to accept her as is. To not mistake her as a perfectly ideal person because she's not it.

I agree with you on HS' treatment of her as a fragile doll. I think because there is so much that he still doesn't know about her, he approaches her with a lot of sensitivity. He doesn't want to upset her any more than she already is. Rather, he just wants to be the support that she can always trust and rely on. And he knows that him walking on eggshells is not always the best approach. Sometimes, he needs to deal with Babes head on and give her some jolts that she can break out of whatever trance she's in.

It's going to take some time before they completely surrender themselves to each other but once it happens, it will truly be a glorious day for them.

Originally posted by: asmaanixx

Yup. This was something some of the members had discussed before but in relation to HS. He too, had been placed on a high pedestal first by Minnie, and then by Babita in some respects. Minnie still sees HS as being "perfect" or close to it and thus strives to always live up to her expectations. Babes, on the other hand, doesn't want someone perfect otherwise she'll end up always feeling inferior to him. It's why she doesn't want to be seen in the same lens either. She spent 17 years being that perfect ideal and look at what happened? Betrayed, rendered homeless, humiliated, character assassinated, molested, manipulated, exploited and so much more. If she was truly perfect then none of this would have happened to her but it did. All these events have left her scarred beyond words and all she wants from HS is to accept her as is. To not mistake her as a perfectly ideal person because she's not it.

I agree with you on HS' treatment of her as a fragile doll. I think because there is so much that he still doesn't know about her, he approaches her with a lot of sensitivity. He doesn't want to upset her any more than she already is. Rather, he just wants to be the support that she can always trust and rely on. And he knows that him walking on eggshells is not always the best approach. Sometimes, he needs to deal with Babes head on and give her some jolts that she can break out of whatever trance she's in.

It's going to take some time before they completely surrender themselves to each other but once it happens, it will truly be a glorious day for them.

Maybe it was true at some point, but I don’t think Mini or Babita consider HS perfect or put him on a pedestal anymore. They see the immense goodness in him but goodness doesn’t automatically equate to perfection.

In fact, even though Mini has and will always consider him her hero, she’s always quick to point out where he may go wrong in terms of his own ego or pride. I love that it’s not some idealistic version of a hero in her mind. She reveres HS even with his flaws.

And it’s the same for Babita....she’s seen different sides of HS in the course of the Imarti case, his drinking problem so I deffo don’t think she considers him a devta. Lol....

Right now, HS is the one who has her up on a pedestal more than she does for him. And it’s thanks to her emotionally volatile state. Anyone would do the same in his place, seeing what all Babita has faced.

As you rightly said, it’s a journey of surrender towards each other in the long run. That will be the ultimate act of courage from both of them.

Originally posted by: NimbuMirchi

Areyaar -- I can so feel ya. I am the same. I am so much in awe of writing, of all character arc, of all evolving relationships.. that I want to say so much and yet are failing to find words.

You have summed up last episode so well. Mini turned out fearless coz growing up she saw, her mother do not have courage. This gave her the courage, coz she knew she has to defend herself and her mom. I have seen this in real life too. Often, kids of meek and under-confident parents kids turn out to be courageous and fearless. They learn that they have to stand up for themselves. Makes them stronger, tougher. It's such a blessing in disguise.

I see a lot of myself in Mini. I grew up in joint family. My parents have great understanding. But Mom would not say to Dad about all the taunts and arguments that happened during the day. Neither would she ever stand up for herself. She is low on confidence but she is extremely strong on the inside. Appears weak, depends on us for every decisions but when time comes, she can sail through troubles and keep all of us together too. That is why I can understand Babita's character arc and feel for her. Since childhood, I learned that we have to fight for our right. In lot of episodes Mini keeps telling Babes that haaye babes, you are so cute. Instantly reminds me of my Mom, I say that to my Mom a lot. And, Babes is cute though. The way she was saying, Mini jab sabko sunati thi to mujhe man hi man mein aschha lagta tha. Lekin, kisi ke bare mein bura chahna toh paap hai na ji. haaye so sweet. So real. Hanuman had the same expressions ki kitni cute hai yeh bandi.

same here. i can so much relate to mini. I never liked it when people called her brash and not respecting elders but then mini has become like that because she had to stand up for babes to her elders & hence it looks like she is brash & not respecting. My mom never used to speak up properly so i have similar experiences of needing to stand up for myself also and also pushing her to speak up for herself. You do loose a lot of your childhood in this & more importantly its quite stressful as a teenager. So i completely can empathise with mini from where she comes

I think the whole Imarti track and its culmination helped the three of them see each other with their flaws instead of as perfect beings and still enabled them to accept each other as an entire package.

I keep saying HS' over-protectiveness of Babita is not a good thing. I know that he feels he wants to save her from further sadness and hurt, especially from himself, but it can't go on forever. With time, he will have to learn to trust himself around her, and learn to let her see his flaws and some of his rough edges.

Oh wow... glad to see you here!!

You are so right about how this wedding track is used to resolve genuine issues that exist among the characters rather than random melodrama that is the case in most ITV shows.

And that conversation between Babita and Hanuman was so nice. Babita was able to share with Hanuman some of the thoughts she had repressed deep within her all these years; the way she felt on being expected to put up with Lovely's taunts; the fact that she felt angry about it but couldn't express it because that will go against the 'good' behaviour expected from her. I guess these are thoughts she wouldn't have ever shared with Mini or anyone else in her life. And now she got that outlet in the form of someone who wasn't going judge her. It was quite a progress that she had made in her relationship with Hanuman.