Don't understand reasoning behind Kabir's clash now - Page 3

Originally posted by: .SNOWWHITE.

I cannot whitewash every actions of Jhanvi . She is s grey FL. If i felt her actions wrong i will say that. I dont care what others think.

Didnt she broke Yabir . Didnt she broke Kabirs family (stepson and wife )

Wasnt Arush too a 5 year kid just lost his father . Why didnt she think whatever happened to me should not happen to another kid . If not kavyas ex in laws didnt came what would have happened to him.

Wasnt Kavya a widow who just lost her husband who was trying to built a new life for his son. (Lol i am a big shipper of Jhanbir and i have fought tooth and nail with yabir fans in this forum).

Didnt she used Dhruvs loves ,care and respect ,humiliated him in front of others and discarded him as a trash. He was kabirs brother.

i'm not whitewashing janhvi may be her way was wrong upto extent but that doesnt mean that she should be left alone to live in misery and held up for her revenge is wrong, what suffering are sr mittals having they are not even an inch of guilt in their behaviour and kabir is no saint he was ready to leave his family for kavya as he thinks his family was wrong putting blames (though they were wrong) on kavya but doesnt that mean they are worst in pooja's situation atleast they didnt killed anyone from kavya's family didnt snatch her shelter but in pooja's case it was worst still he is supporting them like they are innocents if he would be that saint then when commissioner was getting arrested he shouldnt have spoke for him and ok i understand its his family than it was even pooja's family too

Originally posted by: .SNOWWHITE.

I cannot whitewash every actions of Jhanvi . She is s grey FL. If i felt her actions wrong i will say that. I dont care what others think.

Didnt she broke Yabir . Didnt she broke Kabirs family (stepson and wife )

Wasnt Arush too a 5 year kid just lost his father . Why didnt she think whatever happened to me should not happen to another kid . If not kavyas ex in laws didnt came what would have happened to him.

Wasnt Kavya a widow who just lost her husband who was trying to built a new life for his son. (Lol i am a big shipper of Jhanbir and i have fought tooth and nail with yabir fans in this forum).

Didnt she used Dhruvs loves ,care and respect ,humiliated him infront of others and discarded him as a trash. He was kabirs brother.

I am not whitewashing Pooja either. I said in my initial post itself that her revenge was morally contentious according to each person's POV. If Kabir's basis for revenge was Kavya or Dhruv, it would have made sense. But he actually claimed that the senior Mittals were innocent and wanted to take revenge on Pooja solely for refusing to give his family shelter. When that is the equivalent of what his family did to Pooja. That makes him hypocritical and selfish- he's willing to ignore the sins of his family. He's taking revenge without any logic. Yet he's being portrayed as a an empathetic, white character and Pooja solely as a villain who is doing wrong. When both are right and wrong in their places.

Originally posted by: LiveLifeHonest

I am not whitewashing Pooja either. I said in my initial post itself that her revenge was morally contentious according to each person's POV. If Kabir's basis for revenge was Kavya or Dhruv, it would have made sense. But he actually claimed that the senior Mittals were innocent and wanted to take revenge on Pooja solely for refusing to give his family shelter. When that is the equivalent of what his family did to Pooja. That makes him hypocritical and selfish- he's willing to ignore the sins of his family. He's taking revenge without any logic. Yet he's being portrayed as a an empathetic, white character and Pooja solely as a villain who is doing wrong. When both are right and wrong in their places.

Agreed....

And I guess.... PK's death could be a good reason for this revenge....

Just forgot to mention.

This is quite an articulate post, and brings up a new perspective to mull about.

Thanks for making this post, TM, and I hope we get to read more from you, in future. 😊

Originally posted by: .SNOWWHITE.

I cannot whitewash every actions of Jhanvi . She is s grey FL. If i felt her actions wrong i will say that. I dont care what others think.

Didnt she broke Yabir . Didnt she broke Kabirs family (stepson and wife )

Wasnt Arush too a 5 year kid just lost his father . Why didnt she think whatever happened to me should not happen to another kid . If not kavyas ex in laws didnt came what would have happened to him.

Wasnt Kavya a widow who just lost her husband who was trying to built a new life for his son. (Lol i am a big shipper of Jhanbir and i have fought tooth and nail with yabir fans in this forum).

Didnt she used Dhruvs loves ,care and respect ,humiliated him infront of others and discarded him as a trash. He was kabirs brother.

If Kabir has done something against Pooja to get back his property , will you mention him as a grey ML. Don't know who made a grey FL mark on her .

Did she intentionally break Kabir-kavya relation?. Did jaanvi ask kavya to come from the commissioner's house to take care of her?. If jaanvi didn't suggest Arush to call his grandparents, they would have not communicated with their grandson and Arush had not met his blood relatives until the end.

Did jaanvi try to separate the husband and wife ?. She was the one to inform Kabir about kavya's leaving (first time). Kavya's unnecessary interference gave a hurdle for her revenge. So she tried to remove without hurting her directly. Jaanvi had an aim in her life. She couldn't give up it for the new comer of that house.

Dhruv gave her an opportunity by loving her. She used his love to enter the family. Did you see or hear anything that jaanvi tried to flitter Dhruv to marry him.

She didn't humiliate her husband. She humiliated pk's son. She never thought that he was her husband. Her reactions for his phone calls clearly told it.

Originally posted by: krithi1990

If Kabir has done something against Pooja to get back his property , will you mention him as a grey ML. Don't know who made a grey FL mark on her .

Did she intentionally break Kabir-kavya relation?. Did jaanvi ask kavya to come from the commissioner's house to take care of her?. If jaanvi didn't suggest Arush to call his grandparents, they would have not communicated with their grandson and Arush had not met his blood relatives until the end.

Did jaanvi try to separate the husband and wife ?. She was the one to inform Kabir about kavya's leaving (first time). Kavya's unnecessary interference gave a hurdle for her revenge. So she tried to remove without hurting her directly. Jaanvi had an aim in her life. She couldn't give up it for the new comer of that house.

Dhruv gave her an opportunity by loving her. She used his love to enter the family. Did you see or hear anything that jaanvi tried to flitter Dhruv to marry him.

She didn't humiliate her husband. She humiliated pk's son. She never thought that he was her husband. Her reactions for his phone calls clearly told it.

i dont know why here just if you are not mahan tyaag ki devi then you are grey or black

exactly my point even why people expect her to pity mittals when they didnt and today even the young mittals are behaving like all the senior mittal were saint

kabir was trying to police understand when they were arresting the commissioner

i am damn sure if pk would have been jailed he would have tried to bail him

i am not able to understand when on forums people talk baseless means making no sense

i support only dhruv pain although he even not has against or anything that senior mittals as his pain is now more than that i am totally with him and his further action it can be understood but kabir the saint what he understand of himself dont know he is trying to act or behave saintly but his action is totally hypocrite

and the problem is makers even are on mittals side and trying to justify them but pooja is villan for them even and if they want her to be villan they should have made her do more nasty things sorry there is no proper base or reasoning just to make kabir pooja pair they are introducing virtual tashanbazi

What PK and the other senior Mittals did to Pooja’s father and her family and what Pooja is doing to the Mittal family is neither morally or legally acceptable and that is not subjective. PK acted out of greed and Pooja out of revenge both primordial human emotions- baser instincts . While we can understand why both did what they did in Pooja’s case it might be more understandable to some extent as her family was the initial wronged party . Some might even say it is justifiable but I think that is going a bit too far. If that was the way everyone in society acted an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth there would be anarchy and we would be no better than some lower animal species. Also the word karma is bandied about so often in eastern culture . Pooja made a conscious decision to seek revenge so there was no predeterminism , karma fate , destiny involved . Unless it is being used loosely to say what goes around comes around or you sow what you reap. Even then I still think it is misused.

In Zain’s latest written iv on IWW Buzz he talks about more “lovey dovey “scenes between Kabir and Pooja saying apparently the mainly revenge drama did not work in the ratings so it seems they are going the hate/ revenge to love route .

Originally posted by: LiveLifeHonest

I am not totally fluent in Hindi so forgive me if I misinterpretted. But honestly, I watched today's episode and I really did not understand why Kabir is already clashing with Pooja Sharma. Honestly, he tried to evade the fact that his mother, Dadaji also had a part to play in Pooja's family sufferings and it was rightfully pointed out. Ignoring the fact whether Pooja's revenge is morally right or wrong (since I feel this is really subjective to each person), as of now Pooja has only balanced the weighing scale of sins committed by each party.

PK has died, like Pooja's father did. Kabir's family is left on the streets with their reputation tattered, just like Jhanvi's family was. Pooja deceived PK's family, just like PK did to Pooja's family. So on what basis does he expect Pooja to kind of forgive and provide shelter for his family? When I was watching the confrontation, I wonder if he fully understood the gravity of the sins his father and other senior mittals did. If he did, why not accept whatever has happened as karma and punishment for what the senior Mittals did? What is the basis behind him threatening to snatch away everything from Pooja Sharma? I don't understand his vengeance at this point, when Pooja has only balanced the scale of sins. If even after this, she continued to take revenge and hurt the family, it would be understandable for Kabir to clash with Pooja. Thus, this clash with Pooja today seems to be too early and lacks logical basis.

Originally posted by: adni143

i dont know why here just if you are not mahan tyaag ki devi then you are grey or black

exactly my point even why people expect her to pity mittals when they didnt and today even the young mittals are behaving like all the senior mittal were saint

kabir was trying to police understand when they were arresting the commissioner

i am damn sure if pk would have been jailed he would have tried to bail him

i am not able to understand when on forums people talk baseless means making no sense

i support only dhruv pain although he even not has against or anything that senior mittals as his pain is now more than that i am totally with him and his further action it can be understood but kabir the saint what he understand of himself dont know he is trying to act or behave saintly but his action is totally hypocrite

and the problem is makers even are on mittals side and trying to justify them but pooja is villan for them even and if they want her to be villan they should have made her do more nasty things sorry there is no proper base or reasoning just to make kabir pooja pair they are introducing virtual tashanbazi

Sometimes I think that suppose Dhruv came to know the whole things at first instead of Kabir, he would not behave like Kabir. He would not try to compromise jaanvi just for the formality.

At the first face of scene of jaanvi and the mittals, if Kabir had confronted the whole mittals for their evil doings in front of jaanvi , she would have not reacted like that way and she might calm herself down. According to Kabir his lips only speak right things to show him as a straight forward but his mind and heart take the things very easy and expect from the victim who should forget and leave the matter free.

Originally posted by: trinitodebone

What PK and the other senior Mittals did to Pooja’s father and her family and what Pooja is doing to the Mittal family is neither morally or legally acceptable and that is not subjective. PK acted out of greed and Pooja out of revenge both primordial human emotions- baser instincts . While we can understand why both did what they did in Pooja’s case it might be more understandable to some extent as her family was the initial wronged party . Some might even say it is justifiable but I think that is going a bit too far. If that was the way everyone in society acted an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth there would be anarchy and we would be no better than some lower animal species. Also the word karma is bandied about so often in eastern culture . Pooja made a conscious decision to seek revenge so there was no predeterminism , karma fate , destiny involved . Unless it is being used loosely to say what goes around comes around or you sow what you reap. Even then I still think it is misused.

In Zain’s latest written iv on IWW Buzz he talks about more “lovey dovey “scenes between Kabir and Pooja saying apparently the mainly revenge drama did not work in the ratings so it seems they are going the hate/ revenge to love route .

You are comparing PK and Pooja? 😂

PK is a mass murderer of innocents Pooja only took away his property and tried to kill him.

She didn't even try to kill Dadaji and Suman who were standing there when she was being burnt alive. The senior Mittals have not been punished at all.

If you can’t respond respectfully perhaps refrain from responding . Btw you completely missed my point . I was addressing a specific comment made by another poster and looking at the ROOT CAUSE of characters’ emotions which lead to their subsequent actions. Whether Puja actually ended up killing PV or it was a failed attempt is irrelevant to the point I am making in response to a SPECIFIC comment of another poster on whether moral justification is subjective and on the role of karma in this scenario

Originally posted by: SRKisLove

You are comparing PK and Pooja? 😂

PK is a mass murderer of innocents Pooja only took away his property and tried to kill him.

She didn't even try to kill Dadaji and Suman who were standing there when she was being burnt alive. The senior Mittals have not been punished at all.