Staying Alive is not enough Grief - Page 2

Also, in this entire chaos what stands out is his soul churning connection with Happy. I had recently had the chance to watch Imtiaz Ali’s Laila Majnu movie on Zee5. Need I say anything more? I haven’t come across such a layered take on love and madness. Even the lover couldn’t rescue him from her illusion. You need to watch it to believe it!

I really wanted that layered take on Rocky too. Where he is lost in his own world! Insanely in love with Happy’s illusion. I so wish!!!

Originally posted by: manzilmukul

Folks, I loved reading all your takes. Due to the shortage of time, I’d quickly reply to all in brief pointers-

Please bear with me

@perfectstart I so relate to the catharsis and grief bit. I have personally grieved someone dear and I do understand that resignation and dry teardrops. But somehow, Rocky’s response to her death doesn’t match! Also, you raised some very valid points too. Poor writing, I must say.

In bold:Never mind😊

Poor writing indeed, another point, when rocky realized he's helpless with the matter of happy's blind faith in RV, he left the matter like ok let it be, remember when he told her toh RV ko maanti hai uss per trust karti hai , rocky didn't know that happy's faith in RV was shaking already due to obvious reasons, she tried to tell him but momsy called, woww such a turning point it's momsy always, so happy cannot team up with Rocky against RV, it was a matter of great importance even happy just leave it "baad mein baat karengay"as if Hotel ki groceries ki balance sheet hi toh hai baad mein de dongi🤔 it was literally the matter of life and death and even rocky didn't ask her back what was she wanted to tell him?? maybe what happened to Kulwant distracted him and it is very natural but rocky has been through worse, when he had no one except for himself to trust, why police wasn't called at khosla house to investigate the spot where kulwant was shot??? instead happy was shown wiping the blood by herself and weeping as usual.

I know and so does everyone that rocky unintentionally didn't ask happy what she wanted to tell him because of kulwant's condition but later he didn't care about it as well when he was hell bent to stop happy's marriage with RV. Makers think that viewers are foolish but we are not, happy's plan was foolish and rocky did try to stop the wedding but he genuinely didn't try to stop RV, which should have been his priority.

Originally posted by: Golu14

His going back to being spoilt will not look appropriate. He changed because of Chintu's death and realisation of responsibilities. He changed because Chintu in all his life wanted him to. He changed because of that last video in which Chintu expressed all he expected out of his brother. He changed to make his brother proud. He changed to prove that his brother had just the right expectations and belief in him and whatever Chintu thought of his calibre was all correct.

He got connected to Happy afterwards is a different matter for me.

He lost the love of his life and this should actually make him numb and lifeless but he should be shown continuing with his responsibilities while remaining just physically involved and emotionally withdrawn. That would make sense according to me.

Tumhari baat bhi sahi hai. Phir bhi Happy is Rocky's world!!

@bold yes, that they could show. Aisa hi hona chahiye hai na? He should be cold, economical with his words, does his job as per requirement. No emotional attachment to anything and anybody. Lost in his memories of Happy when alone. Hiding tears and putting up a responsible son act before everyone. The one he really is has to be lost from the picture post leap. Happy returns, Rocky returns. Period.

Originally posted by: manzilmukul

Also, in this entire chaos what stands out is his soul churning connection with Happy. I had recently had the chance to watch Imtiaz Ali’s Laila Majnu movie on Zee5. Need I say anything more? I haven’t come across such a layered take on love and madness. Even the lover couldn’t rescue him from her illusion. You need to watch it to believe it!

I really wanted that layered take on Rocky too. Where he is lost in his own world! Insanely in love with Happy’s illusion. I so wish!!!

I so wish too!!! This is what I want to see. Didn't the makers sketch Rocky's character like this? He being something else, living a normal life is abnormal to me! That was never Rocky in the first place. No matter the amount of responsibilities, Rocky never really cared about those. His entire world revolved around Happy. He has always been passionate. Momsi went lengths to pull Rocky back. She gave him death threats and what not! Did Rocky stop? No. Then why would he be normal now? I want to see the same madness in him which he always has and never failed to display. Rocky has to be Rocky.

Originally posted by: manzilmukul

Folks, I loved reading all your takes. Due to the shortage of time, I’d quickly reply to all in brief pointers-

Please bear with me

@Anum- I hear you bud! Something amiss about this whole thing. Grieving and disbelief was on point but after that downhill again. I so wish, he had punched RV in the jail too! The Rocky I knew believed in punching even if someone tried to touch Smiley! This was Happy and his murderer! Something is missing totally!

@perfectstart I so relate to the catharsis and grief bit. I have personally grieved someone dear and I do understand that resignation and dry teardrops. But somehow, Rocky’s response to her death doesn’t match! Also, you raised some very valid points too. Poor writing, I must say.

@Mihrimah- I had so envisioned a Shiva turning into Rudra mode after the only love of his life Sati was burnt into flames. Drawing out a mythological reference. He was mad with rage and followed penance despite the responsibilities of the world on his shoulders. That’s the vision I had for Rocky. Happy was his driving force. I am mighty disappointed.

@Golu- I agree his metamorphosis happened after Chintu’s death but his life and sanity always revolves around Happy. This entire sequence of getting married for whatsoever reason doesn’t make sense to me at all.

I wish he went away from everyone, living somewhere far from his house, no connection with the world, keeping his memories with Happy close to his heart.

Remember Highway? Like that.

Originally posted by: PerfectStart

In bold:Never mind😊

Poor writing indeed, another point, when rocky realized he's helpless with the matter of happy's blind faith in RV, he left the matter like ok let it be, remember when he told her toh RV ko maanti hai uss per trust karti hai , rocky didn't know that happy's faith in RV was shaking already due to obvious reasons, she tried to tell him but momsy called, woww such a turning point it's momsy always, so happy cannot team up with Rocky against RV, it was a matter of great importance even happy just leave it "baad mein baat karengay"as if Hotel ki groceries ki balance sheet hi toh hai baad mein de dongi🤔 it was literally the matter of life and death and even rocky didn't ask her back what was she wanted to tell him?? maybe what happened to Kulwant distracted him and it is very natural but rocky has been through worse, when he had no one except for himself to trust, why police wasn't called at khosla house to investigate the spot where kulwant was shot??? instead happy was shown wiping the blood by herself and weeping as usual.

I know and so does everyone that rocky unintentionally didn't ask happy what she wanted to tell him because of kulwant's condition but later he didn't care about it as well when he was hell bent to stop happy's marriage with RV. Makers think that viewers are foolish but we are not, happy's plan was foolish and rocky did try to stop the wedding but he genuinely didn't try to stop RV, which should have been his priority.

Very logical points. My exact thoughts as well. Rocky is madness personified. He could go to the extent of kidnapping Happy on her engagement day with Chintu. He should have crumbled RV. That would have made more sense. Beat the shit out of RV and kidnap him. All the jail talks with RV too didn’t make any sense.

Originally posted by: PerfectStart

In bold:Never mind

Poor writing indeed, another point, when rocky realized he's helpless with the matter of happy's blind faith in RV, he left the matter like ok let it be, remember when he told her toh RV ko maanti hai uss per trust karti hai , rocky didn't know that happy's faith in RV was shaking already due to obvious reasons, she tried to tell him but momsy called, woww such a turning point it's momsy always, so happy cannot team up with Rocky against RV, it was a matter of great importance even happy just leave it "baad mein baat karengay"as if Hotel ki groceries ki balance sheet hi toh hai baad mein de dongi it was literally the matter of life and death and even rocky didn't ask her back what was she wanted to tell him?? maybe what happened to Kulwant distracted him and it is very natural but rocky has been through worse, when he had no one except for himself to trust, why police wasn't called at khosla house to investigate the spot where kulwant was shot??? instead happy was shown wiping the blood by herself and weeping as usual.

I know and so does everyone that rocky unintentionally didn't ask happy what she wanted to tell him because of kulwant's condition but later he didn't care about it as well when he was hell bent to stop happy's marriage with RV. Makers think that viewers are foolish but we are not, happy's plan was foolish and rocky did try to stop the wedding but he genuinely didn't try to stop RV, which should have been his priority.

Very logical points. My exact thoughts as well. Rocky is madness personified. He could go to the extent of kidnapping Happy on her engagement day with Chintu. He should have crumbled RV. That would have made more sense. Beat the shit out of RV and kidnap him. All the jail talks with RV too didn’t make any sense.

Originally posted by: ShadeOfWhite

I so wish too!!! This is what I want to see. Didn't the makers sketch Rocky's character like this? He being something else, living a normal life is abnormal to me! That was never Rocky in the first place. No matter the amount of responsibilities, Rocky never really cared about those. His entire world revolved around Happy. He has always been passionate. Momsi went lengths to pull Rocky back. She gave him death threats and what not! Did Rocky stop? No. Then why would he be normal now? I want to see the same madness in him which he always has and never failed to display. Rocky has to be Rocky.

This normalcy and his marriage can never be justified at all! Like never. I can imagine Happy being weak but Rocky-never. He has always been on the edge no matter what! If Momsies death threats didn’t work what should? I am so disappointed, I cannot even explain.

Originally posted by: ShadeOfWhite

I wish he went away from everyone, living somewhere far from his house, no connection with the world, keeping his memories with Happy close to his heart.

Remember Highway? Like that.

That’s my favourite movie so far. Imtiaz Ali’s best work till date. Such a fabulous layering of characters.

Sorry I haven't read all the posts of this thread. It is really a hectic day. I don't know what discussions are going on. But I wanted to share what I felt about Rocky's grieving inside Happy's room.

I think Rocky's silent and calm portrayal of pain in there can be understood by the fact that already a few days had passed and that violent pain and grief has kind of calmed down and seeped into the bottom of his heart. It remains just as an inner felt pain - a pain which has reached its final stage of metamorphosis and it will no longer evolve into something else. It will remain like this only for his whole life. Those few days made it into this.

This pain has slowed him down and wored him out enough at this moment that he no longer wears an active image of it. This pain will make him cry to his sleep but he no longer wears it but just has it in him.

He just wants to keep that to himself, be alone with it. The way he had put Happy's belonging close to his chest and silently crying says all that! He is just immersed in that pain of his heart, alone in a room full of her memories.

Then he sees her, knows that she isn't here and it is just his imagination and that is why he gives a painful smile! He sleeps with her picture close to him, in tranquil blanket of her memories!

I found this scene really beautifully written keeping in mind the writer wanted to show how that chronic pain of separation looks like in its final calm form. The Jeeni hai Jeeni made it all the more beautiful!