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Indi,

Would you reply on the initial episode take of mine also please? 😳

Originally posted by: 7_sneha_7

Indi,

Would you reply on the initial episode take of mine also please? 😳

Originally posted by: 7_sneha_7

Indi,

I got the glimpse of the first episode, not completely but the the scene where ASR buys Sheesh Mahal and the scene with Anjali on the stage (I'm actually kinda saving these initial episodes gems for some time later!).
I must say there is so much difference in the voice of Barun and Daljeet in the pilot episode. Have you observed that Anjali was using "mein instead of "hum on the stage. I kinda feel the initial inception of the show and the later execution has a lot of changes. yes, she called him arnav, i like mein more than hum... but notice in all hindi serials almost they make women say hum... a slightly weak pronoun, from an earlier age when women were encouraged to know their place i feel... and the hindi serial really is a weapon in the hands of patriarchy more often than not, treating us like things... never individuals. have i ranted enough 😆

About ASR: Right in the initial shot of him after getting out of the chopper looking at the Sheesh Mahal, reminiscing the past, Barun made brilliant job in showing the pain of ASR in his eyes without any action or words. That initial shot of pain in his eyes looking at the deceitful mahal itself was a great work by the makers and the actor. abs agree. it's one of barun's best episodes. gosh that entry. that lifting of eyelids to fix chacha ji with alook. that first "arnav singh raizada ka nishana kabhi nahin chhogta. paisa mera shauq nahin, pesha hai." aaa, it killed me. for some reason it was black and mafia-ish, i even thought of al pacino's michael corleone 😃 i keep hearing how barun was not very good in the initial sequences. i totally disagree. with every look, step, turn of body, lilt of voice, stare, everything, he created arnav singh from the word go, ably assisted by the music director and the initial directors of the show.

Also, since I didn't madly watch the first 20 odd episodes like, I wanted to ask did they have a backstory for ASR's ring? ASR is a simple man with accessories, he doesn't sport auspicious rings like Anjali or Akash but has only one ring, which is the actor's wedding ring (which I can understand, Barun was newly married, hardly 6 months into marriage when the shoot started!). I just wanted to know if they had any backstory to it. I must say it was a bit distracting to see an unmarried ASR with a wedding ring!

no alas, they didn't have a story about the ring. i think asr just wouldn't wear apiece of jewellery, he had that spare elegance, uncluttered, almost austere in some ways. the ring and those fading dhagas on his wrists, i trained myself not to notice them too much.

About Shyam: I never saw the introduction of Shyam in the show, all I read was that he saved Khushi from goons trying to harass her, but never really witnessed the actual scene. Yesterday I watched this VM made by a user named "jalebi girl of Arnav, Khushi & Shyam with Padmavati background music (you should watch it if you haven't already, it's that good). This VM had this intro scene of Shyam. I must say that Shyam got a heroic introduction, like someone who fights for good or something like that. I feel that initially when the show was incepted may be it was around this actual question of "Iss Pyaar Ko Kay Naam Doon? showing the love of both Arnav and Shyam for Khushi on parallel.

didi ki saut and vaidehi were the ideas around which the story was built. it was to be a triangle, between a man who loved his sister deeply and who fell for a girl who had attracted the husband of this siter. so yeah, these parallels were crafted initially. you see them again and again in the early episodes. also the ipk game of introducing the hero as villain and the villain as hero.. that was filmi but nice. and asr was not a sweetheart. oh no. he had his flaws. and he had his power. you had to get a bit knocked off your comfortable sweet girl perch by him. how i lau that mami asr moment in 10. oh, i miss him. watch the first 20, they're abs worth it. kkg's sanka too is totally fresh and hilarious. and my overly gold mami, how utterly cute. nani was far more stern.. they softened her. then there was the mention of a mysterious "dhruv" who never turned up. heheh the story was never not changed. it's dm's blessing thatw e had this tale at all and are still muttering about it.

To elaborate on this point further, I feel the show IS about Didi Ki Sautan and two types of love for a same girl. One which is full of pure passion and hatred from Arnav's side and the other which is full of admiration for beauty from Shyam's side. I believe Shyam is actually smitten by Khushi's beauty and just want to make her his by hook or crook. yeah, genuinely smitten he was. and in initial episodes his portrayal was subtle, you almost felt bad for him. In the episode where ASR sends a typewriter for Khushi to work on, did you see that Shyam was just purely smitten by her like a teenage lover boy rather than being lustful about her.

this was the thing, yes, boyish... but he was all along a married man, and his feelings were lst driven even though he pretended to himdelf, it was this pure enchantment. perhaps that's why, when thwarted, he became as vile as he did, or even to get his own way. hyam was deeply flawed, would have been good to know his back story... that didn't happen.

What I felt is that he just didn't think it was crime to be married to love another person, and always believed that he was in "sacha pyaar with Khushi. When Khushi hit the chords in the hearts of both these boys, each of the boys have a partner, was always an intersting thing to ponder.

Shyam was married but ASR also had a girlfriend, it was not like ASR was single when Khushi dropped into his arms in the pilot. Sure he is not emotionally committed with La, but we can't ignore the fact he did have a girlfriend at that time. Instead of dancing on this fine line of good and bad grey issue, that is questioning what Love is, they took an easier route of making Shyam the villain in the story for the TV audience, is what I feel.

@ indi and sneha _ lovely analysis.

Originally posted by: dv19

@ indi and sneha _ lovely analysis.

I enjoyed reading yr thoughts.

Indi,

My further and deeper thoughts on Lavanya, La:

La is a beautiful character. I don't know if they had initial intentions of making her a negative character or something, but she had the most matured and dignified closure a character could get in the whole series.

I always felt that the character of La has not been rightly constructed.

La is to be shown as contrast to Khushi, the modern girl, girl with no emotional baggage, upright, shares the same thoughts with ASR about marriage, and easy-going person. I really like La, she's a simple girl but she was shown as a bimbo to elevate Khushi. That issue bothered me a lot.

The rationale behind this thought is that I do not think ASR would date a bimbo. He is a hard-working person, working like a maniac to make a name for himself and extract revenge from those who have done wrong to him and his sister. So, he doesn't really come across as a person who would date a bimbo for parties or social acceptance. I believe that he was impressed by la, both by her looks and by her brains. Because he does say in one of the initial episodes that she is one of those very few people who has the liberty to waste his 10 minutes of time against his wish. So, I don't think he would give that kind of Liberty to some random bimbo! Yes, I do believe he had a physical relationship with her (which I do not have any issues with, there's no question of judgement on it).

If you observe epi12, the first epi where La is introduced (again I didn't completely watch the episode, I watched just ASR and La scenes in hope of getting to know the background of their relationship, but alas, there wasn't much in it!), she comes out of a convertible sports car (contrast to the stolen-scooter-riding-crazy Khushi), brings a cake for him and
doesn't want ASR to be stressed with her as it would affect his skin!😆She was always trying to relax him, not once but in many situations (like fixing his tie in his cabin, hugging him from behind at night etc., contrast to Khushi who always makes him "pareshan"), also is afraid to speak up against him (again contrast to always giving-it-back Khushi) no wonder he always felt and believed to be under control with her. Even though being with him in a relationship, she never challenged or affected him emotionally and he thought this was perfect as for him "Arnav Singh Raizada ko kisi bhi ladki se koyi farkh nahi padtha!". She was always easy to handle for him (like gifting a bag is enough to please her!).

I believe that he genuinely liked La being with him, genuinely attracted to her charm. Why wouldn't he be, she's an attractive, young, and tall woman. But just to highlight Khushi as this god fearing "sanskari beti", they made her a bimbo for the initial episodes when she comes to live in Shantivan, not standing for herself when being insulted by Nani for
being modern. This bothered me like hell!

ASR really impressed me in two occasions, one when he says to La that she doesn't have to change a bit and can be whatever she already is even after coming to his home (but, Oh! Boy! He did give a half minded reply to her that he likes her the way she already is thinking about Khushi and looking at her stuff in the Office, this boy purely amazes me 😆). The second, when he was talking with Shyam about La, he asks "kya kisi rishtey ki shaadi ke bina koyi izzat nahi? Lavanya koyi respect deserve nahi karthi?" the same question he would ask for Khushi at a much later point of time with his Dadi and Nani. (On a completely side note, this connection of a big brother, trusted friend, and fatherly figure ASR had for his "Jeejaji" Shyam was not completely explored in the series, which would have made it more complex and interesting).

He proved to be a caring person. He cares about the respect La should have while living with him. He always stood up for La in Shantivan. Yet suddenly when Khushi was brought to his house to "teach" La to be an achhi bahu, he doesn't have any qualms or doesn't think it was insulting to La, which was utterly confusing.

The whole idea of teaching how to be a good bahu was a highly regressive idea is what I feel. Sure, I understand that Khushi should be somewhere near to him for their complex love story to be move forward, but the situation could have been handled with much more dignity and grace. Like it could have been La to ask for Khushi's help in winning over Nani while also simultaneously working with ASR in office (may be, we would have got some
more office romance and drama...uff silly wishful thinking of mine!), with her idea being supported by Anjali. May be, it is too much maturity to ask from a Hindi daily soap after all!(Don't get me wrong, I love Khushi, and I root for Arnav and Khushi, but demeaning La for Khushi was what I couldn't take!)

ASR has blurted out "Khushi for "Lavanya not once but innumerable times while talking to his Nani, his Di, and La of all people. Seriously, Khushi and Lavanya are two such different names that can't really be jumbled to be mistaken 😲, yet no one, not even La thinks it is a big issue that he is continuously taking the wrong name instead of hers (except at the last moment leading to their break-up)!

Later La befriending Khushi was handled well, but I felt it was childish for La to do all the silly chunri stuff. But both together trying to crack open ASR on marriage was cute to watch, like two teenage girls trying to fix a match!

When La and Khushi were jumping on the bed with loud music, it felt like two little girls having fun, so pure innocence of both girls, both unknowingly falling for the same man, only to be witnessed by the same man in horror of what is happening with his perfectly in-control, comforting, live-in modern-girl, girlfriend La.

It was also refreshing and beautiful to watch La completely trusting Khushi as a friend, and not doubting on her for a second that she might steal away her boyfriend, nor did she ever feel insecure with the equation Khushi shared with ASR which she herself never had. She always had that trust with Khushi.

ASR always knows that Khushi affected him, but I feel he became sure of her aansoo affecting him only after his confrontation with her about insinuating La with her "shaadi ka ideas.

Did you observe how ASR was looking at Khushi only even while holding his girlfriend with a sprained ankle? May be that is when he knew that this girl has some pull over him and wanted to be rude to her for already interfering much in his life (and for later interfering in the shradh for his parents). It felt like he was cheating on his live-in girlfriend right under her nose, albeit not knowingly though! (Like you said may be that caused
him to tell "mein shayad aisa hi hoon much later to La, that is a man without much integrity)

So was Khushi, Khushi cared about La as a friend too much to know what she was doing when she was trying to bring ASR and La back together. After what she wanted for her friend happened, grief struck her utterly confusing herself and ASR in the process.

Is it being naive or oblivious or trust in her friend that La isn't bothered much when Khushi goes to Nainital instead of herself? Yet the first worry to her mind is that ASR should not know that they planned some romantic things for the trip but not that Khushi is gonna go through all that cheesy stuff herself with "her" ASR instead of herself.😲

Then comes diwali, taking all of their lives for a roller coasterride only to end with a heartbreak for each one of them. Nothing was the same after Diwali like you said.

But I did like the fact that La was genuinely happy for Khushi's engagement with ASR fuming over the same issue.

She doesn't know that Khushi is the reason for ASR's sudden engagement decision, actually I don't think she even bothered to think about the reason as she loved ASR too much to question any logic about their relationship. Even when Khushi convinced Arnav for a delay of week for engagement, something Anjali and herself could not do, she is still not alerted with the influence her friend has on her boyfriend! Like seriously La I thought!😲There were so many instances of Khushi's clear influence over ASR during the engagement preparations, some happened behind her (like the necklace set), and some before her (him apologizing for his rude behavior over Khushi like dress).She knew ASR is clearly getting complicated when she asked him "tum aisa kyun ho?" and later said to Nani "ha Nani, par ab toh aur bhi gussa ho jata hai" the reason unknown to herself! Yet when her ASR came apologizing, she didn't bother to think much and let all the confusion go. Basically, being Anjali-oblivious despite many clues before her.

The beauty in La came out when she was also shipping for Payal and Akash engagement and her decision not to hurt their relationship with her break-up!

But she didn't take much time to come into reality with ASR being much worried about Khushi and least bothered about their own engagement date. That was enough for her to understand what is going on but still didn't want to accept it untill ASR himself came and blurted it out!

Her departure was handled so well with such dignity and elegance that even Akash and Payal couldn't get! 😆

I think I have rambled a lot for today!😆

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Indi,