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ITripura Rahasyam mahatmya Khanda 37 th chapter
Sanat Kumar becomes Skanda

Sanat Kumara is the mind born son of Brhma. He is a born Gnani, like Sukachariyar. He does not identify himself as the physical being, that he is ever aware that inside and outside, are the same. One night he had a dream. In the dream there was a war between Devas and Asuras. In it Sanat Kumara fought as Commander of the Divine forces and destroys all the devilish forces. He told his father about the dream and asked him as to what is the meaning.

Brhma told him, "My dear Son! In your previous life, you had done Veda Adhyayana. There is a mention of Deva-Asura battle in it. That seems to have made a deep impression in your mind. Devas are those that are venerated and propitiated through Yagnas and they shower boons and blessings on humans. Asuras want to interfere in this relationship between Devas and Humans. Because of your deep involvement in Vaidik philosothy and arrangement. you wanted to fight the Asuras and destroy them all Yourself. It is that thought which is the reason for your dream."

He continued, "Whatever thought comes to your mind, that will become a reality. So one day, you will become the Commander of the Divine Forces and will destroy the Asuras. But in this life, you are likely to think of Asuras and Devas as Brhmam only. So you have to take another life for your dream to materialise."

Once a person's mind, speech, heart and body, are completely established in truth, they cannot bluff even unintentionally. To put differently, whatever they say, knowingly or unknowingly, even if it is contrary to the truth, it has to become the reality! Sanat Kumara was such a person. Whatever he thinks, even in dream, becomes the truth. Having heard Brhma, Sanat Kumara, to whom the world and life in it, is only a dream, went back to his ways of quietitude.

Now it was the problem of Shiv to make this dream come true! Though Sanat Kumara was not making any efforts for his Darshan, He arrived at Sanat Kumara's Ashram, along with Parvathi. For Sanat Kumara, it made no difference, as he looked at anything and everything as Brhmam only. He did not even get up to recieve the divine couple. Parvathi-Parameswaral waited for quite some time. They were thrilled by looking at this boy, so deeply absorbed in himself. Still with an assumed annoyance, Siva asked him, "When we who are the Parents of the whole Universe, have come to visit you, is it not your pride that you are a Gnani, that you could ignore us? What will you do if I give you a curse?"

Sanat Kumara could not care less. He replied non-challantly, "Even if you were the super-angry-Rudra, and curse, it will not affect the Atma. Go ahead and curse." Eeswara was thrilled by the reply of the self realised Atma Gnani. He said, " I appreciate your equipoise! Ask whatever you want. I will grant you boons." Sanat Kumara laughed. He said, " My dear sir! Your boon will make no difference to someone, for whom there are no more wants or demands!" He went one step higher. He said, " Parameswara! From your talk, you seem to give a lot of importance to boons and curses. Why don't you ask for a boon and I shall grant you." Eeswara was quite happy. When our own children, try to boss over us, which parent will not be thrilled? The Lord of all the worlds, thought that He had now an opportunity to make Sanat Kumara's dream come true. He asked in all humility, "The great Gnani that you are, you have given Brhma the pleasure of being your father. Will you consent to be my son, at least in another life?" "OK. I will become your son," agreed Sanat Kumara .


Till attaining to Jnana, we will cry that we want this cycle of birth-death-birth, should come to an end. Once we are firm in jnana, then birth and death are as irrelevant as the appearance and disappearance of a water bubble on the surface of water only.


Sanat Kumara had said that he would be born as Siva's Son. He had not said that, he will be born to Siva and Parvathi! Sanat Kumara thought about this and found that there was some logic, in the situation. He openly told Siva, "As per Sastra, one should not give a boon unasked for. You only asked for the boon and Your wife, did not do so. So whatever way, you can give birth to me as your son, do so."


Parvathi was disappointed. Of course, all life forms are her children only. However, she also wanted that such a Brhma Gnani should be born as her son too. So she argued. "Sastras do not differentiate between husband and wife. Whatever a husband asks for, especially to have an off-spring, wife is automatically included. Because He has asked, you have to become my son too," She claimed. Sanat Kumara thought about this deeply. He said, "There is justice in your claim too. However, somehow, I prefer not to go through the process of being confined to life in the womb. With a big heart, You should permit me to be born, to your husband, without the normal procedure!" She thought about it reluctantly. Finally she came to a compromise.


When Bhasmasura did Tapasya, he got a boon from Mahadev that by placing his hands on anybody's head, he will burn them off. He wanted to test his power Iswara, who promptly disappeared. Parvathi, though knowing everything, temporarily forgot Her and Siva's imperishability. She was shocked by his disappearance. She virtually melted out of extreme agony of seperation. That became a lake known as 'Saravana lake She remembered it now. So the compromise was that Parameswara, will produce the sparks, that will be recieved in Her body of Saravana lake. Accordingly, the six sparks from the third eye, were carried by Vayu and Agni, to the Ganges River. who fetched them to Saravana lake where he became Subrahmanya, the Deva Senapathi. However many names He has, 'Sa Ra Va Na Ba Va', became the most important 'shadakshari' Mantra. That is Parvati's triumph and greatness!


Santokya Upanishad, clearly says, that Sanat Kumara is Skanda. It also clarifies that He is the Abode of Knowledge . The great Narada had to come to Sanat Kumara, for Jnana Upadesa. Narada was an expert in, the Vedas, Itihasa, Purana, all Sastras, Deva Vidya, Brhma Vidya. Bhootha Vidya and Nakshtra Vidya. He was the foremost authority in Bakthi Marga.


But when it came to Jnana, He had to come to Sanat Kumara. Narada pleaded, "There is nothing that I do not know about. But through all that, I have not come to know about the Self. I am in agony because of that. You are my only recourse! Please teach me!" Sanat Kumara, explained, "You do not have to go anywhere, to find your Atma. Up and down, right and left, inside and outside, everything, everywhere, all the time, it is one and the same Atma! If you meditate on it, to the exclusion of all other thoughts, You will know yourself to be the Atma. That is 'Swa rajyam' or self rule. That is 'Swaroopa' or self form. You have to start with cleanliness in food, followed by cleanliness of the Heart and Mind. Then when the mind stands still, all binding ties break off."

The Upanishad says, "Thus, Sanat Kumara, showed Narada the way beyond all darkness; and He is known as Skanda

. In Thruvannamalai, Siva is Agni Swaroopa. Murugan is the Fire of Siva.

Vedas themselves are using fire worship quite extensively. Veda start with the word, 'Agni'. 'Oupasana', is Agni pooja only. It is a common activity for all castes. For this Subrahmanya is the main Deity. Panchayathana Pooja was revived by Acharya in which, Ganapathy, Eeswara, Amba Soorya and Mahavishnu, are the five Deities revered. It is quite sensible to include, Subrahmanya in this daily pooja, because, 'Oupasanai', is not much practised now-a-days.But Sankaracharya said Shanmukha is already there in the form of fire.

Murugan is a God for all castes. Sankaracharya says "Muruga! Para Sakthi Putra! By standing on the sea shore, you are indicating to the devotees that you will take them across the ocean of samsara. That all the problems of the devotees will subside as the waves subside in the ocean.

At Thiruchendur Murugan is indicating that, as the waves raise and subside in the ocean, "all Jeevas and Jagat, raise from Me and subside in Me". Siva humbly requested Sanat Kumara, who had given Jnana Upadesa to Narada to become His son. Then with equal humility, took the Pranava Upadesa, from Him after He became His son!

Krittika tanayam Vande Shanmukham Parvati Sutam
Subrahmanyam mahatmanam Putra Pautrabhivriddhaye

I bow before the great Subrahmanya ,the son of Krittikas and Parvati to prosper with sons and grandsons.

On the eve of Skanda Shashti..my humble presentation to the son of Shiv Parvati.

Lakshmi

Shared with Lt Col KTSV Sarma

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Hii Lakshmi !! 😊😊
I'm so so sorry for being late to read all the wonderful information that you've posted here !!!

This information that you've posted related to Lord Kaarthikeya is simply mind blowing. I wasn't aware about the relation between Sanat Kumaar and Skanda. Thank you for enlightening me with it.

I was aware about Dilip's story and also about the love Shiv and Parvati have for their son Kaarthikeya.

I always used to feel puzzled as to why is Lord Kaarthikeya not exclusively worshipped in the Yagyas...today I received my answer ! 👏
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Thanks a lot Lakshmi, nice to read more about Lord Muruga.
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Originally posted by: VividDiamond

Hii Lakshmi !! 😊😊

I'm so so sorry for being late to read all the wonderful information that you've posted here !!!

This information that you've posted related to Lord Kaarthikeya is simply mind blowing. I wasn't aware about the relation between Sanat Kumaar and Skanda. Thank you for enlightening me with it.

I was aware about Dilip's story and also about the love Shiv and Parvati have for their son Kaarthikeya.

I always used to feel puzzled as to why is Lord Kaarthikeya not exclusively worshipped in the Yagyas...today I received my answer ! 👏

It is my good fortune if I can tell the minutest part of his glory ...Thank you for being here and reading the parts.


Lakshmi
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Originally posted by: nimmu96

Thanks a lot Lakshmi, nice to read more about Lord Muruga.

My pleasure..Thank you so much.


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Originally posted by: ltelidevara

ITripura Rahasyam mahatmya Khanda 37 th chapter

Sanat Kumar becomes Skanda

Sanat Kumara is the mind born son of Brhma. He is a born Gnani, like Sukachariyar. He does not identify himself as the physical being, that he is ever aware that inside and outside, are the same. One night he had a dream. In the dream there was a war between Devas and Asuras. In it Sanat Kumara fought as Commander of the Divine forces and destroys all the devilish forces. He told his father about the dream and asked him as to what is the meaning.

Brhma told him, "My dear Son! In your previous life, you had done Veda Adhyayana. There is a mention of Deva-Asura battle in it. That seems to have made a deep impression in your mind. Devas are those that are venerated and propitiated through Yagnas and they shower boons and blessings on humans. Asuras want to interfere in this relationship between Devas and Humans. Because of your deep involvement in Vaidik philosothy and arrangement. you wanted to fight the Asuras and destroy them all Yourself. It is that thought which is the reason for your dream."

He continued, "Whatever thought comes to your mind, that will become a reality. So one day, you will become the Commander of the Divine Forces and will destroy the Asuras. But in this life, you are likely to think of Asuras and Devas as Brhmam only. So you have to take another life for your dream to materialise."

Once a person's mind, speech, heart and body, are completely established in truth, they cannot bluff even unintentionally. To put differently, whatever they say, knowingly or unknowingly, even if it is contrary to the truth, it has to become the reality! Sanat Kumara was such a person. Whatever he thinks, even in dream, becomes the truth. Having heard Brhma, Sanat Kumara, to whom the world and life in it, is only a dream, went back to his ways of quietitude.

Now it was the problem of Shiv to make this dream come true! Though Sanat Kumara was not making any efforts for his Darshan, He arrived at Sanat Kumara's Ashram, along with Parvathi. For Sanat Kumara, it made no difference, as he looked at anything and everything as Brhmam only. He did not even get up to recieve the divine couple. Parvathi-Parameswaral waited for quite some time. They were thrilled by looking at this boy, so deeply absorbed in himself. Still with an assumed annoyance, Siva asked him, "When we who are the Parents of the whole Universe, have come to visit you, is it not your pride that you are a Gnani, that you could ignore us? What will you do if I give you a curse?"

Sanat Kumara could not care less. He replied non-challantly, "Even if you were the super-angry-Rudra, and curse, it will not affect the Atma. Go ahead and curse." Eeswara was thrilled by the reply of the self realised Atma Gnani. He said, " I appreciate your equipoise! Ask whatever you want. I will grant you boons." Sanat Kumara laughed. He said, " My dear sir! Your boon will make no difference to someone, for whom there are no more wants or demands!" He went one step higher. He said, " Parameswara! From your talk, you seem to give a lot of importance to boons and curses. Why don't you ask for a boon and I shall grant you." Eeswara was quite happy. When our own children, try to boss over us, which parent will not be thrilled? The Lord of all the worlds, thought that He had now an opportunity to make Sanat Kumara's dream come true. He asked in all humility, "The great Gnani that you are, you have given Brhma the pleasure of being your father. Will you consent to be my son, at least in another life?" "OK. I will become your son," agreed Sanat Kumara .


Till attaining to Jnana, we will cry that we want this cycle of birth-death-birth, should come to an end. Once we are firm in jnana, then birth and death are as irrelevant as the appearance and disappearance of a water bubble on the surface of water only.


Sanat Kumara had said that he would be born as Siva's Son. He had not said that, he will be born to Siva and Parvathi! Sanat Kumara thought about this and found that there was some logic, in the situation. He openly told Siva, "As per Sastra, one should not give a boon unasked for. You only asked for the boon and Your wife, did not do so. So whatever way, you can give birth to me as your son, do so."


Parvathi was disappointed. Of course, all life forms are her children only. However, she also wanted that such a Brhma Gnani should be born as her son too. So she argued. "Sastras do not differentiate between husband and wife. Whatever a husband asks for, especially to have an off-spring, wife is automatically included. Because He has asked, you have to become my son too," She claimed. Sanat Kumara thought about this deeply. He said, "There is justice in your claim too. However, somehow, I prefer not to go through the process of being confined to life in the womb. With a big heart, You should permit me to be born, to your husband, without the normal procedure!" She thought about it reluctantly. Finally she came to a compromise.


When Bhasmasura did Tapasya, he got a boon from Mahadev that by placing his hands on anybody's head, he will burn them off. He wanted to test his power Iswara, who promptly disappeared. Parvathi, though knowing everything, temporarily forgot Her and Siva's imperishability. She was shocked by his disappearance. She virtually melted out of extreme agony of seperation. That became a lake known as 'Saravana lake She remembered it now. So the compromise was that Parameswara, will produce the sparks, that will be recieved in Her body of Saravana lake. Accordingly, the six sparks from the third eye, were carried by Vayu and Agni, to the Ganges River. who fetched them to Saravana lake where he became Subrahmanya, the Deva Senapathi. However many names He has, 'Sa Ra Va Na Ba Va', became the most important 'shadakshari' Mantra. That is Parvati's triumph and greatness!


Santokya Upanishad, clearly says, that Sanat Kumara is Skanda. It also clarifies that He is the Abode of Knowledge . The great Narada had to come to Sanat Kumara, for Jnana Upadesa. Narada was an expert in, the Vedas, Itihasa, Purana, all Sastras, Deva Vidya, Brhma Vidya. Bhootha Vidya and Nakshtra Vidya. He was the foremost authority in Bakthi Marga.


But when it came to Jnana, He had to come to Sanat Kumara. Narada pleaded, "There is nothing that I do not know about. But through all that, I have not come to know about the Self. I am in agony because of that. You are my only recourse! Please teach me!" Sanat Kumara, explained, "You do not have to go anywhere, to find your Atma. Up and down, right and left, inside and outside, everything, everywhere, all the time, it is one and the same Atma! If you meditate on it, to the exclusion of all other thoughts, You will know yourself to be the Atma. That is 'Swa rajyam' or self rule. That is 'Swaroopa' or self form. You have to start with cleanliness in food, followed by cleanliness of the Heart and Mind. Then when the mind stands still, all binding ties break off."

The Upanishad says, "Thus, Sanat Kumara, showed Narada the way beyond all darkness; and He is known as Skanda

. In Thruvannamalai, Siva is Agni Swaroopa. Murugan is the Fire of Siva.

Vedas themselves are using fire worship quite extensively. Veda start with the word, 'Agni'. 'Oupasana', is Agni pooja only. It is a common activity for all castes. For this Subrahmanya is the main Deity. Panchayathana Pooja was revived by Acharya in which, Ganapathy, Eeswara, Amba Soorya and Mahavishnu, are the five Deities revered. It is quite sensible to include, Subrahmanya in this daily pooja, because, 'Oupasanai', is not much practised now-a-days.But Sankaracharya said Shanmukha is already there in the form of fire.

Murugan is a God for all castes. Sankaracharya says "Muruga! Para Sakthi Putra! By standing on the sea shore, you are indicating to the devotees that you will take them across the ocean of samsara. That all the problems of the devotees will subside as the waves subside in the ocean.

At Thiruchendur Murugan is indicating that, as the waves raise and subside in the ocean, "all Jeevas and Jagat, raise from Me and subside in Me". Siva humbly requested Sanat Kumara, who had given Jnana Upadesa to Narada to become His son. Then with equal humility, took the Pranava Upadesa, from Him after He became His son!

Krittika tanayam Vande Shanmukham Parvati Sutam
Subrahmanyam mahatmanam Putra Pautrabhivriddhaye

I bow before the great Subrahmanya ,the son of Krittikas and Parvati to prosper with sons and grandsons.

On the eve of Skanda Shashti..my humble presentation to the son of Shiv Parvati.

Lakshmi

Shared with Lt Col KTSV Sarma


This is very beautiful and enlightening Lakshmi . Got to know some new things !
As always thank you so much for sharing 😊
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Thanks a lot for such an enlightening post on lord Kartikeya.

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