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Posted: 7 years ago
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This is yet another frustration post. Please bear with me friends.

I am sorry but this story cannot justify Diya aur baati title as it is going now. Kanak is all alone in her struggle. Uma could blend with the scenery and we won't notice. That is how irrelevant he has become. An educated man, a doctor can never be this blind. He is being shown emotionally and intellectually clueless. Kanak has to lie and manipulate him to get him to help her. If there can't even be honesty between each other, then why is this the tag line Diya aur baati?
The other thing that irks is the casualness with which a molestation attempt of a woman was handled. Uma was filled with outrage, enough to kill Aditya's friend but did not fully believe her or try to use his brains to go inside and check Aditya's room. Later, he did not offer any real comfort after such a traumatic event. He just covered her up but did not speak or console in any way. Kanak had to find a way to pay back in a small way, much less than what the guy deserved. For Uma, the next day everything was back to normal! I am all for a woman being strong enough to handle these situations. I am questioning the theme of this show. Also women empowerment does not mean that a man should be shown weak, brainless or insensitive. At this point, it feels right to just separate the couple and let them do their own thing.🤢

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Posted: 7 years ago
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I agree with you in real life it's hard to spend life with person like Uma only in the base of his pure heart I want respect from my partner I read somewhere: back out from that relationship where you have to sacrifice your self respect (jha apko apni self respect se samjhota krna pde wese pyar ki rah se laut aye) but I think we have to give 30 days Uma to if after 30 days he will not change his views towards women than I will say bye bye to show
Edited by CutestGirl - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Yeah deebz even I am so disappointed because I expected some care after that issue .. but what to say even though he saved from the fire he just left her and came home same happnd here too... nothing new!!
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Hi Deebz, I understand your frustration but here's the thing, after the KMB track ended they showed a promo where Kanak was asked to wash her husband's feet and then drink the water, which she refused and they said that not ever marriage and couple is made equal and sometimes you have to adjust and compromise to become DAB.

This is TSMSP story as a sequel, they are different, there is a lot of reality in this show where DABH was very ideal. Kanak needs to manipulate him now for his good as well. I know rigid men, they don't listen to reason, and Kanak has learnt this, so instead of wasting her time she's being smart.

It's heartbreaking to see Uma like this, but the truth is he has always been like this, he was a doctor when he believed having periods made you impure. This is their journey, about making him a better man, and how Kanak will through little things change him for the better.

Now yes, the molestation track was taken a bit lightly but, Uma had a good reaction, and was prepared to kill Aditya, but due to Kanak's guard being down she couldn't prove anything even though the audience knows the truth.

This is why Kanak's revenge was burning Aditya's nose. Now Uma and Kanak weren't even communicating when there was no divorce planned and now it's actually happening, this couple doesn't talk, lol.

I'm actually happy that during the molestation track, even when the odds were against Kanak Uma believed her, and when Aditya fooled everyone, Uma never doubted her character as that is how it could've gone.

So all I'm saying is I think we need to give TSMSP some time to pick up the pace, I believe it's already doing well.

And separation, that was bound to happen because, it's a serial the leads can't come together so soon hehe.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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I think people can change staying in a marriage too. It happens all the time. It takes a lot of TLC but it does happen. I don't think kanak and Uma need to divorce or go through a separation leap in time period to realize things. Sometimes all it takes is a moment. And there are several logical ways Uma could change:
- uma realizes massi sa's real face and her intentions and he will surely reevaluate all that he has been taught in the name of dharam. Of course if that's happens kanak will be proved innocent and Umas love for her will begin changing his views.
- if Massa recovers and speaks she will most likely speak against the values that Uma has been taught by massi sa and try to convince Uma to see things differently.


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Posted: 7 years ago
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I am not gonna justify uma or his character but,this is what I feel.
Though I didn't watch dabh ,I know its basic story and characters.dabh revolves around some realistic approach and some fantasy.lead character bonding was very realistic as how they support each other ,their relation development.but,for me Sooraj character was a fantasy.how gentle he was😳the way he find a soft way to deal things.

As far tsm concerned,its harsh reality of life with love story folded in between.we Asians lead this type of life where women adjust to different norms,customs etc. We may not be religious but, get married into a religious family or vice versa.even ,families or husband don't allow education and jobs these days.if we look into this sight,uma fits into any other men of today's era and kanak ,exactly as girl next to door.

Coming to diya baati point! That's where struggle start.for sandhya,Sooraj was always there,though in disguise of anger or even evidently, but its hard to find in real.that's what kanum relation is.I really wanted to clap when kanak said" uma ka koi apna nazariya hi nae"👏 he can be manipulated by anyone; massi, pallo,adi and that's what kanak using now.she is first removing all aspects of manipulation from uma life and then want to built his own perception.this is how you fill your partner faults and this is a perfect diya baati for me😃

Sorry for long rant😆
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Not sure if Kanum will be Diya aur baati or Tu Suraj main Saanjh. Guess Tu Sooraj main sanjh so that both can never meet in this janam n agla saath janam in the name of women empowerment!
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Thank you for both supporting and opposing views friends. Great discussion. Lies and manipulations between a husband and a wife are a No No to me. ( with anyone else too but here maasi and son are super evil & deserve everything) Thanks for the positivity. Hope the show picks up. I do wish for it to progress in some way towards the Diya aur baati theme. They were on course, when they both cared for Shiv's future, Suman's education etc. But for Uma now to behave like this, I hope some reason is revelaed other than blindness.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Don't mind separation track as long as she is not killed off. Uma is confused as he tends to live his life the way he's been taught by masisa, hope he learns the truth soon. Maybe then he'll change to win Kanak back. It's nice that he's listening to Kanak more recently. She's already changed a lot for him, now it's his turn to change for her.
Liking it at the moment, hope they don't spoil it and go down the reincarnation route, invested far too much time in waiting for Uma and Kanak to both fall in love and be happy together.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Hi,

I am Ibby. During Diya Aur Bati Hum days I had once written a post something that went along the lines you have written in your post today. Whatever I am about to write is purely a view from a philosophical standpoint. You see, you have an image of Diya Aur Baati because you have watched an entire series; something which was created over a long period of time. If you think about it, during the early days of Sandhya and Suraj's marriage, it was rarely Diya Aur Bati for them, since Sandhya's heart was not in it and Diya Aur Bati is made up of two elements and it is only when they jointly perform beautiful acts are they said to be such a thing. Right?

As some people have identified this already, the story for Uma and Kanak isn't primarily about being exactly the same Diya Aur Bati/like Suraj and Sandhya, but it's about having that sort of qualities and ideas - not all lamps look the same, since they can be created innovatively and differently by each of us, but at the end it's about the light it produces? Right? It is this adoption of a bigger notion, which is your ultimate conception of Diya Aur Bati, has been used to create that sort of goals for characters like Uma and Kanak. The verbs diya aur bati in the title song comes only after it has been sung 'tu sooraj mein sanjh piya ji' - in this diya aur bati is another example of the title, another way to phrase and illustrate two characters. This show is about perspectives, how two different characters live together. Whereas Diya Aur Bati Hum was about a supportive husband. Even though the show had predominantly shown the development of Sandhya's character as an IPS, a wife, a daughter-in-law, a mother and so on, it was only due to her supportive and wonderful husband. Suraj was truly the foundation of such a concept - his masculinity did not stop him from allowing his feminine wife to pursue her dreams. In TSMSP, it is about a wife supporting her husband to become what he is capable of but does not yet realise it since he has been blindfolded by an alternative reality. This is how I see it so far and you're all of course welcome to refute such assumptions.

Furthermore, and I am uncertain whether many of us here have heard of such thoughts, there is a maxim which derives from a branch of philosophical position called Existentialism: existence preceded essences. It is precisely a claim that argues that before we can have any meanings of absolutely anything at all, we must experience it. Thus our existence must precede essence. Think about it, for us to be a doctor, a lawyer, a teacher we must first exist over time, learn and practice these roles - it is only after do we become such things. Similarly, for Uma and Kanak to be Diya Aur Bati like Suraj and Sandhya, it must happen as they grow as characters over time. We do not become a lover or a hater over night, it is a timely process just as most things in our world is. For us to understand people, we have to get to know them. Yes, we intuitively feel connected to some people but our intuitions can be wrong and it is then only in experience do we come to distinguish things. Moreover, it is only when things go right and wrong, do we come to understand what is right and what is not. So, it is only after circumstances has taken place is it likely the two characters will come to realise what they mean for each other.

Before I see this show about two lovers and their journey, I see the show about perspectives. As the title itself speaks volume and we must not forget, Suraj and Sanjh is not distinct in nature but the same act, it is only our perspective which sees it differently since we perceive it at different times of our day but it doesn't change the act of nature itself.

Finally, Kanak is the feminist I admire. At the moment, even though she would appreciate Uma's help; the truth is she does not need it, since she alone is enough to stand up and bring herself justice, as we can see that she is. And if the question is about women empowerment, then it is likely women are more likely to be empowered by a woman standing up all by herself than a man beside her.

All I can say is have patience, allow the characters to grow and try not to expect the same as Diya Aur Bati, as that was an authentic piece in-itself and it cannot be replicated ever again - at least, not for me. And it is only when we expect and hope, do we come to find ourselves disappointed. Keep your mind open and see this characters without in comparison to others and you'll see the originality in themselves.

Love,
Ibby
Edited by -Imu.M- - 7 years ago

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