|| RiKara's story & Jealousy || Ayega Zidd Pe Toh Qayamat Hogi

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Reposting an elaborated version of this post from ShreNal AT on request. Thank you everyone for the encouragement. 🤗

Warning: It's a long post 😆

Feel free to add your thoughts and perceptions, even if you disagree, would love to read those. 😃

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I read about the confusion of having 'Jalan', Omkara, Gauri and KT in one line of thought. There are two possibilities of course, it could be about his parents and Svetlana or it could be about Gauri. But even If I still maintain that Omkara isn't yet in love with Gauri, there are some instances that link up to that moment. So I thought why not write on why I felt he was talking about Gauri with all that intensity. It was too much in my mind anyway😆


"Aksar prem kahani ki buniyaat pyaar par rakhi jaati hai, par iss prem kahaani ki buniyaat nafrat pe rakhi gayi hai" - Omkara Singh Oberoi

"Mujhe humesha se lagta hai ki O ki love story bhi itni hi intense hogi"- Rudra Singh Oberoi

Omkara and Gauri are complex characters, they might be having a normal behavior with each other, in front of everyone, but at the back of their mind, they will hold all the issues they have and still pretend like nothing happened. Like Gauri is trying to ignore any talk about their relationship. She's been through that already, every time she believes Omkara is warming up towards her, he ends up telling her otherwise. That's another discussion altogether. I simply can't start on Queen GKS right now, I might not stop.😆


I wanted to put out my thoughts about Omkara so here we go. When Gauri went up to him asking him about the status quo, her place in his life and why is he so bipolar with his feelings for her, he cracked.

Omkara when pushed, the feelings come out:

Are Sach toh main bolta hun, lekin main khaamosh tha. Pata hai kyun?
Kyunki kuch sach karve hote hai, agar unhe dauraye jaaye toh zindagi karvi ho jaati hai. Lekin tumne mujhe majhboor kardiya na'

On watching that confrontation scene, I realised that had she not challenged him and provoked him, was he really planning to hold those MUs in his mind and carry on to live like that for an entire life? Well he stayed with Ridhima for what 5 Years? and still when asked about the future, he felt he has to compromise on his space and felt suffocated. So I wouldnt be surprised if he'd plan to live like that with Gauri and never accept the wedding due to his commitment issues. Like Gauri said to Shivaay when he decided to help them, she is giving him the time and space to figure out if he has a problem with her, or with their relationship(the wedding). Unlike the go-getter Gauri, Omkara is the passive one in their relationship. Unless he is cornered, he is going to let things go as they are and channel all his feelings inside.


It's a fact that Omkara doesnt have monologues. As a deep soul that he is, he doesn't really resort to words to express, but that's where the flashbacks help. They are never random. If you watch the trigger scene where she mentions the forbidden word, Bareilly, note that his FB is Gauri Thakurayn.


That intense scene near the pillar when all he does is remember the moments why he can't bring himself to accept her, his MU about gold digger, and home breaker, yes. But there are two more flashbacks that blew me over. The order of these were incredible. He remembered his own lines to her about 'Rishta',

"Rishta todhne waali ladkiyon ke liye ek dhaaga tut jaane se kya fark padhega, Ghar todhne waale ke mooh se Rishte jodhne ki baatein acchi nahin lagti".

And boom he remembers their wedding, their rishta. And then how she was making a statement as Thakurayn saying shaadi ke baad KT's house was her sasural. Her sasural was supposed to be his home but here she was making some other claims.

She was his wife then. Yes he never forgot that. Even if he didn't admit it, Gauri and the wedding never left his mind (nor did his MUs).

Omkara and trust Issues

Everytime he spoke of Gauri after he went back to Mumbai and with chulbul, the pheres and sindoor scene did crop up in his mind. If he wasn't affected by it, if he actually believed that to be a naatak as he said, it wouldn't matter but it did.


That's why the thought about how HIS wife was so nonchalant about being KT's bride, even after the wedding, he felt insecure, and 'jealous'. The chulbul realisation never helped because that only broke his trust about friendship (and her), he considered CB his everything, he was ready to kill and die for him/her.

Can he trust her not to leave him for anyone, can he trust her to be faithful in their wedding when he saw an example of that in his parents. Can he trust her that she will actually not break this relationship, ever? The 'Jealousy/Possessiveness/Insecurity' part is definitely not clear but it is there.



The attraction:


Om was always attracted to Gauri, when he was in Bareily for the deal, his thoughts at that time too were that how can anyone who has such an innocent face be so cunning and a homebreaker. He has always been in a crossroad about his thoughts and feelings for her. He used to give himself dilaasa that no matter how you try to deceive me by your acts and naatak to be closer to me and my family, I am not going to fall in your trap. He was actually trying to convince and remind himself that he shouldnt fall for her. I really love that scene when Gauri tells him that are you telling me or telling yourself that.

There are so many scenes that show he was confused about his own feelings for her. When she was going to leave after MS and she comes back, he shouts at her saying I thought how nice are you that you are leaving (she didnt even take his money), but here you came back. Here he was already so unsure about his MUs that after she enters the room post the investigators exit, he immediately says sorry saying she might have stayed to help him. Every time his judgements for Gauri kept blurring in his mind. He started seeing the real Gauri. His care was visible, he was in pain every time she was in pain. So yes he started feeling for her too, despite the MUs never leaving him.


The Journey of OSO back to Omkara


And now that he started to believe that she is the bholi, bhaali sweet si' Gauri in front of him after the Bua Ma track too, his insecurities started to crop up. This guy saw his parent's broken marriage since childhood, a very young age where these things leave a scar forever. He has abandonment issues, the fact that the wedding with him couldnt hold her from going to KT was another nail in the coffin. So when in his heart he had already started to believe that she is not Bareilly ki Gauri of his mind, just the fact that Gauri was there in KT's house as his would be bride, now might have brought some thoughts of jealousy.

Well honestly, Not jealousy per say, it has a mixture of insecurity and his feelings. She said Jalan but provoked him by saying he wont understand on the line 'Kissi teesre ka khayaal insaan ko hila deta hai'. And he took offense saying he very well knows that feeling when someone has an eye on a closed one. It was about Gauri. He wasnt saying about jealousy, he was talking about knowing what possessiveness means as a man, about how the thought of KT wanting to marry her, and her pretending to be Thakurayn hurt..

He just never expresses, now that he knows his MUs were almost baseless, he is trying to shed the walls he created to keep him away from her since forever. With him talking about his art, his childhood, anger and his brothers with her, he's allowing himself to be free with her. So now and then, these outbursts of his feelings and thoughts are bound to come, it's all over the place because he had bottled his feelings. It's not like they had no story or journey, they've come so far from where they started, but it will need more clarity, more expression on his part.

"Tum donon ek hi raaste ke raahi ho.

Zindagi ki safar ke humsafar ho tum.

Is he in Love? No I personally don't see that, it's in the process but he's not completely there. And when he is deep in love with Gauri, that's when I would love to watch him being Jealous. That'll be another level for sure.

Ayega zidd pe toh Qayamat hogi.

Yeh ishq abhi masoom."


I hope that this didnt end being even more confusing but with Rikara it's always between the lines. You have to catch what happens in milliseconds, thank god ShreNal are too talented that you catch the nuances. I really like Harneet's writing, I watched Pyaar Ko Ho Jaane Do, but here I wish there were a better execution and clarity.


Feel free to add your views. Like I said, I could be wrong. I really wanted to type all the reasons why I felt it was about Gauri, I would love to read why you guys feel so or feel that it's related to his parents.

p.s: Is there any way of bring Atif back to the show 😭

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Amazing post and so well explained
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Beautiful post 👏👏 perfectly analysed !!
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Thank you for posting :-)
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Brilliant analysis! 👏

Priya had posted this on Shrenu AT so that those who don't visit Rikara AT, can also read this. But I'm glad that you posted this on the MF as well. It's a very in-depth and thought-provoking analysis.
I congratulate you for looking so carefully at the FB's (right now I'm so pissed at the editors for inserting FB's during the lovey-dovey scenes), and your points make a lot of sense.

I can understand Gauri, 'cos she's more or less been vocal about her issues, but Omkie is a mystery. So, its nice that you made this post from Omkara's perspective. I'm not sure what to think or believe when it comes to Omkara, but what you said makes sense.

Then again we can only speculate, because the makers do not give us proper execution, and literally Rikara are totally on Shrenal's shoulders who have to emote everything in 2 secs.

P.S. I want Atif back too 😭
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Originally posted by: MidnightMusings

Reposting an elaborated version of this post from ShreNal AT on request. Thank you everyone for the encouragement. 🤗

Warning: It's a long post 😆

Disclaimer: I hope there'll be a healthy discussion and no bashing/trp discussion and all. If you read something that was meant to be deliberately offensive, please ignore. Feel free to add your thoughts and perceptions, even if you disagree, would love to read those. 😃

I read about the confusion of having 'Jalan', Omkara, Gauri and KT in one line of thought. So though to write on why I felt he was talking about Gauri with all that intensity.


"Aksar prem kahani ki buniyaat pyaar par rakhi jaati hai, par iss prem kahaani ki buniyaat nafrat pe rakhi gayi hai" - Omkara Singh Oberoi

Where did he say this?

"Mujhe humesha se lagta hai ki O ki love story bhi itni hi intense hogi"- Rudra Singh Oberoi

Omkara and Gauri are complex characters, they might be having a normal behavior with each other, in front of everyone, but at the back of their mind, they will hold all the issues they have and still pretend like nothing happened. Like Gauri is trying to ignore any talk about their relationship. She's been through that already, every time she believes Omkara is warming up towards her, he ends up telling her otherwise. That's another discussion altogether. I simply can't start on Queen GKS right now, I might not stop.😆

Just a thought on why Gauri is avoiding "the talk". She has been asking the questions to Om for a while, she got her answers and she accepted it. Now she is back for a mission to be there for her bade bhayya and bhaujai and she don't want to open a closed chapter. This is how I am reading Gauri's state of mind now

I wanted to put out my thoughts about Omkara so here we go. When Gauri went up to him asking him about the status quo, her place in his life and why is he so bipolar with his feelings for her, he cracked.

Omkara when pushed, the feelings come out:

Are Sach toh main bolta hun, lekin main khaamosh tha. Pata hai kyun?
Kyunki kuch sach karve hote hai, agar unhe dauraye jaaye toh zindagi karvi ho jaati hai. Lekin tumne mujhe majhboor kardiya na'

On watching that confrontation scene, I realised that had she not challenged him and provoked him, was he really planning to hold those MUs in his mind and carry on to live like that for an entire life? Well he stayed with Ridhima for what 5 Years? and still when asked about the future, he felt he has to compromise on his space and felt suffocated. So I wouldnt be surprised if he'd plan to live like that with Gauri and never accept the wedding due to his commitment issues. Like Gauri said to Shivaay when he decided to help them, she is giving him the time and space to figure out if he has a problem with her, or with their relationship(the wedding). Unlike the go-getter Gauri, Omkara is the passive one in their relationship. Unless he is cornered, he is going to let things go as they are and channel all his feelings inside.


It's a fact that Omkara doesnt have monologues. As a deep soul that he is, he doesn't really resort to words to express, but that's where the flashbacks help. They are never random. If you watch the trigger scene where she mentions the forbidden word, Bareilly, note that his FB is Gauri Thakurayn.

This was an excellent point, I never take the FB's seriously but after reading your post, I watched that scene again. The FB's explained his reaction on hearing the B word very well. The FB that stood prominent was that Gauri posing as KT's fianc scene. So the biggest issue Om has with Gauri is that she being his wife went ahead and planned to marry KT making her not trust worthy. If you watch the gauri takurain scene, the question stands out since when did this house become yours and her reply made him all the more cheated. Whatever he felt for her bak then she was his wife and she was acting as a host for KT announcing her wedding to KT, I think he went through Jalan right there.


That intense scene near the pillar when all he does is remember the moments why he can't bring himself to accept her, his MU about gold digger, and home breaker, yes. But there are two more flashbacks that blew me over. The order of these were incredible. He remembered his own lines to her about 'Rishta',

"Rishta todhne waali ladkiyon ke liye ek dhaaga tut jaane se kya fark padhega, Ghar todhne waale ke mooh se Rishte jodhne ki baatein acchi nahin lagti".

And boom he remembers their wedding, their rishta. And then how she was making a statement as Thakurayn saying shaadi ke baad KT's house was her sasural. Her sasural was supposed to be his home but here she was making some other claims.

She was his wife then. Yes he never forgot that. Even if he didn't admit it, Gauri and the wedding never left his mind (nor did his MUs).

Excellently put. Once again Om's FB's are the only way we understand his feelings. Though he says he dont accept the shadhi, the shadhi was always in his mind.

Omkara and trust Issues

Everytime he spoke of Gauri after he went back to Mumbai and with chulbul, the pheres and sindoor scene did crop up in his mind. If he wasn't affected by it, if he actually believed that to be a naatak as he said, it wouldn't matter but it did.


That's why the thought about how HIS wife was so nonchalant about being KT's bride, even after the wedding, he felt insecure, and 'jealous'. The chulbul realisation never helped because that only broke his trust about friendship (and her), he considered CB his everything, he was ready to kill and die for him/her.

Can he trust her not to leave him for anyone, can he trust her to be faithful in their wedding when he saw an example of that in his parents. Can he trust her that she will actually not break this relationship, ever? The 'Jealousy/Possessiveness/Insecurity' part is definitely not clear but it is there.



The attraction:


Om was always attracted to Gauri, when he was in Bareily for the deal, his thoughts at that time too were that how can anyone who has such an innocent face be so cunning and a homebreaker. He has always been in a crossroad about his thoughts and feelings for her. He used to give himself dilaasa that no matter how you try to deceive me by your acts and naatak to be closer to me and my family, I am not going to fall in your trap. He was actually trying to convince and remind himself that he shouldnt fall for her. I really love that scene when Gauri tells him that are you telling me or telling yourself that.

There are so many scenes that show he was confused about his own feelings for her. When she was going to leave after MS and she comes back, he shouts at her saying I thought how nice are you that you are leaving (she didnt even take his money), but here you came back. Here he was already so unsure about his MUs that after she enters the room post the investigators exit, he immediately says sorry saying she might have stayed to help him. Every time his judgements for Gauri kept blurring in his mind. He started seeing the real Gauri. His care was visible, he was in pain every time she was in pain. So yes he started feeling for her too, despite the MUs never leaving him.

I so want to know what is it that he wanted to tell her in his last wis dialogue when surrounded by snakes. So many unexplained things around Om which we are still trying to decode


The Journey of OSO back to Omkara


And now that he started to believe that she is the bholi, bhaali sweet si' Gauri in front of him after the Bua Ma track too, his insecurities started to crop up. This guy saw his parent's broken marriage since childhood, a very young age where these things leave a scar forever. He has abandonment issues, the fact that the wedding with him couldnt hold her from going to KT was another nail in the coffin. So when in his heart he had already started to believe that she is not Bareilly ki Gauri of his mind, just the fact that Gauri was there in KT's house as his would be bride, now might have brought some thoughts of jealousy.

Well honestly, Not jealousy per say, it has a mixture of insecurity and his feelings. She said Jalan but provoked him by saying he wont understand on the line 'Kissi teesre ka khayaal insaan ko hila deta hai'. And he took offense saying he very well knows that feeling when someone has an eye on a closed one. It was about Gauri. He wasnt saying about jealousy, he was talking about knowing what possessiveness means as a man, about how the thought of KT wanting to marry her, and her pretending to be Thakurayn hurt..

He just never expresses, now that he knows his MUs were almost baseless, he is trying to shed the walls he created to keep him away from her since forever. With him talking about his art, his childhood, anger and his brothers with her, he's allowing himself to be free with her. So now and then, these outbursts of his feelings and thoughts are bound to come, it's all over the place because he had bottled his feelings. It's not like they had no story or journey, they've come so far from where they started, but it will need more clarity, more expression on his part.

"Tum donon ek hi raaste ke raahi ho.

Zindagi ki safar ke humsafar ho tum.

Is he in Love? No I personally don't see that, it's in the process but he's not completely there. And when he is deep in love with Gauri, that's when I would love to watch him being Jealous. That'll be another level for sure.

Ayega zidd pe toh Qayamat hogi.

Yeh ishq abhi masoom."


I hope that this didnt end being even more confusing but with Rikara it's always between the lines. You have to catch what happens in milliseconds, thank god ShreNal are too talented that you catch the nuances. I really like Harneet's writing, I watched Pyaar Ko Ho Jaane Do, but here I wish there were a better execution and clarity.


Feel free to add your views.

p.s: Is there any way of bring Atif back to the show 😭


Keeping all the supernatural stuff around swett out Rikara's journey in DBO was very well sketched. But with the merger right now everything is messed up as their story gets moulded to fit other IB tracks which makes it very frustrating to me as a DBO viewer. At this point I really am not sure where Om stands, the way he is shown these days makes me think he is already in love and hence the Jalan dialogue cos now he understand there was prem all the while (???). There are spoilers floating around that Om dint go to Germany but to Bareley, which is again a bit frustrating because Om's finding the truth about Gauri is supposed to b big, should be a Rikara track not something you cover up with Om's absence for a few days. While I agree with you that HS has written a beautiful Rikara journey in DBO, I am not sure if she remembers all that unresolved questions and issues between them or she just want to close it all and show them already in love and past all the issues cos she dont want to spend time on them. If that is the case then I say such a waste of a beautiful couple with excellent talent and chemistry.
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Totally loved reading it all over again..beautiful post on rikara👏.. very aptly explained in detail..
And i loved the title very much - ayega zidd pe toh qayamat hogi 👏👏👏 ..wow.. wanna c d qayamat 😉
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interesting read even though i enjoyed reading it 👍🏼 ... i am among few who thought ' Jalan ' didnt suit gauri and KT thing .. but u make some interesting point ..

Acc to me his 'hatred' was a defense mechanism from falling for her 'act' when she came back after Chulbul revelation .. he felt drawn to her so extra harsh he was to her .. So believing she was a Svetlana was much easier than proof of otherwise he felt ..

O felt anger and disappointment when he saw her choosing KT esp the second time .. maybe this mixture of feeling is what he was talking about ..

If only writer can write further to explore these dynamics .. then we can break our head less 😆






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Originally posted by: SRKisLove

Brilliant analysis! 👏

Priya had posted this on Shrenu AT so that those who don't visit Rikara AT, can also read this. But I'm glad that you posted this on the MF as well. It's a very in-depth and thought-provoking analysis.
I congratulate you for looking so carefully at the FB's (right now I'm so pissed at the editors for inserting FB's during the lovey-dovey scenes), and your points make a lot of sense.

I can understand Gauri, 'cos she's more or less been vocal about her issues, but Omkie is a mystery. So, its nice that you made this post from Omkara's perspective. I'm not sure what to think or believe when it comes to Omkara, but what you said makes sense.

Then again we can only speculate, because the makers do not give us proper execution, and literally Rikara are totally on Shrenal's shoulders who have to emote everything in 2 secs.

P.S. I want Atif back too 😭


Thank you again. I hope we can get more scenes on that. Om's feelings are getting clearer. Something's stopping him to accept her as his wife despite having no MU for her now. Honestly even I get Gauri better, she's unpredictable and has shades, but you can still understand her actions. For Omkara, I have to keep going back to his small actions to look at the larger picture. Him expressing everything is a rare thing, he allows things to go as they are, maintains a calm demeanour, unless he is under some pressure.
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Originally posted by: BIaddict

"Aksar prem kahani ki buniyaat pyaar par rakhi jaati hai, par iss prem kahaani ki buniyaat nafrat pe rakhi gayi hai" - Omkara Singh Oberoi

Where did he say this?

Oh, this was a promotion scene I think for Chandranandini? I guess. I really loved that scene, it was just how O said the lines and Rudra adding his thoughts on Om's future intense love story that made me use this in this context 😆


Just a thought on why Gauri is avoiding "the talk". She has been asking the questions to Om for a while, she got her answers and she accepted it. Now she is back for a mission to be there for her bade bhayya and bhaujai and she don't want to open a closed chapter. This is how I am reading Gauri's state of mind now

Yeah you are right there. I then thought that maybe she is confused with his actions showing he cared while his words said something else and didnt want to open up another wound. He wasnt accepting he cares for her, while she knew but she had absolutely no hopes of him addressing that at that point.


This was an excellent point, I never take the FB's seriously but after reading your post, I watched that scene again. The FB's explained his reaction on hearing the B word very well. The FB that stood prominent was that Gauri posing as KT's fianc scene. So the biggest issue Om has with Gauri is that she being his wife went ahead and planned to marry KT making her not trust worthy. If you watch the gauri takurain scene, the question stands out since when did this house become yours and her reply made him all the more cheated. Whatever he felt for her bak then she was his wife and she was acting as a host for KT announcing her wedding to KT, I think he went through Jalan right there.

Excellently put. Once again Om's FB's are the only way we understand his feelings. Though he says he dont accept the shadhi, the shadhi was always in his mind.

I keep looking for FBs as hints. Close up to one character and related FBs does the thing for me 😆 Even during ChulKara scenes, before and after they had the nashe waala mashroom, the name Gauri brought up a mixture of memories for him, but most of the time it was the marriage.

I so want to know what is it that he wanted to tell her in his last wis dialogue when surrounded by snakes. So many unexplained things around Om which we are still trying to decode


This is something that is top on my -to watch list - for Rikara. I have unrealistic hi sahi but High Hopes that one day the topic will be touched. What was it about GKS that you thought of her before dying Omie. Don't we say hatred and love are two sides of the same coin 😆



Keeping all the supernatural stuff around swett out Rikara's journey in DBO was very well sketched. But with the merger right now everything is messed up as their story gets moulded to fit other IB tracks which makes it very frustrating to me as a DBO viewer. At this point I really am not sure where Om stands, the way he is shown these days makes me think he is already in love and hence the Jalan dialogue cos now he understand there was prem all the while (???). There are spoilers floating around that Om dint go to Germany but to Bareley, which is again a bit frustrating because Om's finding the truth about Gauri is supposed to b big, should be a Rikara track not something you cover up with Om's absence for a few days. While I agree with you that HS has written a beautiful Rikara journey in DBO, I am not sure if she remembers all that unresolved questions and issues between them or she just want to close it all and show them already in love and past all the issues cos she dont want to spend time on them. If that is the case then I say such a waste of a beautiful couple with excellent talent and chemistry.



@red 😆 Word. and bua ma and boxes. But khair even the lame stuffs did add a little bit to their progress.

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