Forum observation, Mon & Tues episodes

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Hi guys, once again a long post lol 😳

This one is in regards to something I have noticed a few times about this forum and a perfect example of this was in Mondays and Tuesdays episode this week so I thought it would provide a good example. Remember these are just my opinions, nobody should take them personally or negatively, it's just me discussing things I observe 😊 Guys I am a day behind in the episodes from people in India, being in Canada and the time the show replays because I can't make the 7 pm time slot. So I usually read the forum posts about the episode beforehand just to get a feel for the episode, I don't read the episode recaps. So yesterday, Mondays episode, the one where Aru and Mukhi have the tincture scene, the daru bust etc, when I started reading the posts here as well as on twitter and Facebook, most of the reviews were that the episode was horrible, people didn't like it, they had many issues about it so I was going into watching the episode like this one is going to be super bad and I will be honest, it wasn't that bad.

I have noticed this tendency in this forum and I love the passion and writing on this forum, it is so supportive, mature, and intelligent that I find it a joy to read the posts BUT with that passion also comes a slight over-reaction as well. And that is we take each episode far too seriously and dissect it far too much. Let me explain. A lot of the criticism about the show last night was that Lalji was dropped off at the border, why can't Mukhi see that Arjan and Rami are at fault too, why wasn't there a discussion of feelings in a sweet ArMu scene after that kidnapping, why wasn't the daru turned over to the police, etc and the precap with Aru being rude to Sanvi, people were saying that's out of character, what's happening, the writers are ruining the show etc.

Guys I know we all love the slow love story here, the way they have laid it out as realistically as possible, this love story is very different and more real than most others...but let's not forget that as realistic as this love story seems, that is because compared to the over the top serials that are on TV, it is more realistic but still even this serial is not close to reality, none of what's happening would realistically occur and we know that, let's not be silly. It's a very touching portrayal of a love story, that's it, now with that premise comes a certain understanding that there will be things that aren't how they would be in actual real life, that defy logic, like the daru bust and Lalji not being taken to jail, of course that's what would happen in real life but in a serial, whatever they choose to do, to give that authority to Mukhi is just to keep the story flowing without bogging it down in another 10 different tracks.

Let's say we took Lalji to court then what, there would have to be a track of Aru going to testify against him, there would be Lalji saying Aru has permanently injured him, she is at fault too, there would be a courtroom trial etc, do we need that in a show where the focus is the love story, we have enough tracks already they can choose from.

Will there be plot holes in a serial, yes of course, we are smart enough to know all serials have them, it's an acceptance we have to just go with. There's reality and there's TV reality, we love this show so much that we have a tendency to get so into each and every detail that we lose sight of the overall narrative and understand that sometimes for the sake of moving onto other things, that logic is bent a little to keep the story moving forward.

Why is Mukhi blind to Arjan and Rami... guys did you really think that in one quick instance, the show is going to eliminate every single bad guy in a nice neat package, then what would we have, another new bad guy, how would that work?! That's it, all the Arjan, Lalji, Rami angles done nice and neat lol, think of it this way, in less than 12 hrs, Mukhi had to deal with his Aru being kidnapped, then he is shocked with Laljis appearance, then he has to deal with the panchayat, then he finds out he has daru in his village something he thought was unheard of, then on top of all those shocks we expect him to be Sherlock Holmes and to suspect his brother in law and sister as the villains, really? Mukhi isn't the most chalak man I know but even I would be a bit overwhelmed with all that happening so forgive me if I don't think he should have seen thru it all and see Arjan's and Rami's guilt 😛

Finally the main issue people had with the episode was there was no emotional scene after the kidnapping between Mukhi and Aru and you know what guys, why did you expect that? At what point has this show ever had an emotional scene where they talk about their feelings after a traumatic event? After her almost being drowned in the well, after she was nearly burned to death in the house, after that guy blew himself up near Aru, and countless other times, was there ever a scene where they talked about their feelings after and what happened? Why would this time be any different then right lol, this show has always sped thru and glossed over the aftermath of a traumatic event, so this is just another example of them doing what they have always done, I wasn't expecting any soft ArMu scene after this at all.

The scene they had, the tincture scene is exactly in line of the show and ArMu, they are a resilient couple, Aru isn't the frail rona dhona woman who needs days to recover from an event, in fact did u remember her line, when Mukhi said he would zubardasthee put medicine on her and she said he knows what she does to guys who try to do zubardasthee on her, that's Aru right there, she is sweet vulnerable and needs Mukhi but she also bounces back fast so to me that bit of comic relief was in their character after such a tough time as the kidnapping. We got all the emotional powerful scenes in the last episode when they first met at the warehouse and then the panchayat.

Finally the precap, so many people were upset with the precap and I have never understood why do people take a 20 sec clip and totally overblow it and psychoanalyze it to death when they have no idea what the episode will be like?! I told people yesterday, just watch, all these people saying oh it's out of character, they are ruining Aru, I bet you they will give a reason why she was upset and that she was correct in being upset and guess what? From what people have told me after watching Tuesdays episode, most people would be upset as Aru was if they found out Sanvi and Mukhi were engaged and nobody told them, wouldn't you be? And tuesday's episode has many small moments of ArMu that ppl enjoyed so really, the reaction to the precap was a tad exaggerated.

So I excuse her rudeness because I would be hurt too as well as the fact she is still young and not fully understanding how relationships work, especially in a "love sense, and in response to Mukhi's crossing the line and bringing out their pati/patni saying which was always in private, her reaction was justified. In fact what's funny is that people were on Mukhi's side in the precap and now after seeing him in the episode they are against him saying he was the rude one lol!

So guys my point is this, we are so invested in the characters and the show that we are way too quick to over-react to every little thing, we over-analyze and we seem to get lost in the details, let me give you a personal example. I took this advanced English literature class in university my last yr, the head of the department taught this course, and up until then, whenever we would read a poem, we would write papers on it by dissecting each line for meanings, we would go thru it line by line picking that poem apart, but when I took his course, he didn't do that. I asked him why not and he told the class, what has happened is that we have taken works of art, Shakespeare, poetry etc and gotten lost in the details and don't appreciate the whole; the authors never meant for us to dissect each line, each word to death, they wanted you to read and see the poem or story as a whole unit, not to get so lost in details but to appreciate the feelings it evokes.

It's like focusing on a tree in a forest and not seeing it as one part of the entire forest behind it, granted the episode may not have been the best they have made but the way people were reacting to it and the precap I thought this was going to be pure garbage and it really wasn't.

Let's not let our love for the show get us so bogged down in details that we don't enjoy the feelings it evokes and the main points of some scenes, yes logic is thrown out the window, so be it, this is a realistic love story set in a fictional story, that's it guys 😆

Enjoy the story as a whole unit, don't get lost in the small details so much that you miss the few minutes of smiles and laughs and warm moments each episode has; to me that tincture scene was enough sweetness to put a smile on my face, the rest was average, that's the way it is, each episode can't be the level of last week right, there's going to be a letdown, its natural but I also know the same CV's that made us fall in love with ArMu aren't going to ruin it now, so enjoy the ride guys. Let's not be like chickens running around with our heads cut off that the sky is falling just because there was a few drops of rain, have faith in the show, it will be alright 😉

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Phew! That was another long one Wally! Thanks for taking the trouble to put us in perspective. You're right about the negative thinking, after all, what we have here is fiction within the boundaries of TRP and ITV!
But what is a forum for if not for venting? And this forum, if you think this is negative, omg you are in for a big shock if you haven't visited other forums with their fan war and hate posts!


Again you are right about us taking off on one episode and one silly little precap! But I kind of liked reading how everyone were uncomfortable that maybe this serial will take the route of others. It just means of course, that we expect more, we expect them to keep up their standard and we expect them not to fall for the TRP stunts. We also expect the CVs to read what we have written and note that we are not happy with the increasing number of loose ends.


I really liked what you pointed out here:

At what point has this show ever had an emotional scene where they talk about their feelings after a traumatic event? After her almost being drowned in the well, after she was nearly burned to death in the house, after that guy blew himself up near Aru, and countless other times, was there ever a scene where they talked about their feelings after and what happened?

Seems the show was sticking to what they have always shown.

I also think that you are too sweet to be worrying for us to maintain a balance here and want to ask you also to take it easy please. 😊


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Posted: 8 years ago
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wally thank you for again long post i really tell you u made me book reader.🤔😆

so whatever you saying we all knows that my friend😳😆 but we all are diff our liking diff our thinking diff our reacting attitude diff someone like to take episode comedy way someone serious way someone only criticize way IT'S MY CHOICE 😛😆end of the day we all want same things just everyone has diff way.i know u know that just let everyone fly freely. 😳😆 and BTW thank god our show and fans so much positive. but little ranting banta hai.



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Posted: 8 years ago
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Hi Wally...thanks once again for your thoughtful post...as usual...I enjoyed reading everything you have said...however that does not mean...that I agree with everything about your post. I most humbly would like to disagree and put forth my defense in this case...because many of the things that u have said...we, forum members ranted about...I was one of the lead vocalists of these "negative" opinions.
Well, yes, I still feel and very strongly feel that Mukhi should not have let Lalji go just like that!! First of all, I am a lawyer..and when such things happen...it irks me a bit more than a lay person. For example, if u r a Gujarati and if Eijaz made a caricature of a Gujarati man...the Gujarati people would be unhappy. Also, I completely agree...not many of us wrote about why he does not doubt Arjan or Rami?? That is because...Mukhi's basic nature is to trust (albeit blindly) his "own" people...That is a part of his character...as shown right from the very beginning. But letting go of Lalji...(whom he knows to be a criminal) without getting him arrested...is not how Mukhi's character is shown especially when he supported Aru's decision...just 2 days back...when the body was cremated without police investigation. Here, is where I find a stark character inconsistency...which annoyed me...that is lame writing according to me!!
I have always found Mukhi to be extremely ignorant about many things...he trusts people blindly... and that makes him slightly less intelligent considering he is a Village headman since so many years and a celebrated Presidential Awardee. But I criticized what he did with Lalji...left, right and center...because, it was a shocking contradiction with his character, as was developed by the writers over a span of some episodes.
Secondly, the episode of 3-7-2017...was not bad in the sense...that it was not pathetic...but it was a disappointment considering the standard of this show. Aru is a girl who does not shy away from calling a spade a spade...she is not a damsel in distress...she is mature, sensitive and naturally cute...I just adore her...but then, in the evening the way she was playing coy with Mukhi...was not the Aru...I took an inspiration from!! I did not want her to be in shock or anything...but being a woman, let me tell u...molestation is disturbing!! I was once traveling alone and I had a scary experience...with 2 men...in broad day-light in a public transport. The matter was taken care of...by the Railways...in 5 minutes time...but trust me, I was disturbed and shocked for sometime...I was not alone yet it was quite unpleasant for me through the remaining journey. Yes, this is fiction, I get it!! But a fiction...with a lot of believablity and a certain soul...there is a connect with the audience...I care for Aru, I worry for her...so, I guess, I have the right to bash her or question her!! We all identify with some of the characters or at least want to become like some characters...there is an emotional connect...at least that is so, in my case.
This brings me to the third point that u raised about Aru's reaction towards Saanvi...see, I give Aru a clear benefit of doubt...as she was definitely hurt and poor thing is in love. But the reason why I criticize that scene was because it was on Saanvi. Wally, out of all the characters in YMMKD...the two characters, I find closest to me are Mishri and Saanvi...I love and care for my brother just like Mishri... With Saanvi, I identify because I am a single woman in my 30s. Trust me, in India, it is a big deal... it is a challenge for a woman to stay single, divorced or widowed...they are constantly judged and made to believe that they have less validity than a married woman with children (especially male child). Many of my male friends...childhood friends...even after getting married call me just like before...although I have always maintained a very safe distance from them...fearing any marital repercussions...I talk with their wives more than I talk with them...even though at times, I want to speak to my buddy. That is just because, we are perceived as men or rather husband snatchers, frustrated and what not!! I am being brutally honest with you!! A healthy male-female friendship is not something that the society and mostly TV serials can accept...so, I was counting on Saanvi's character to break that thought...I was silently rooting for her!! But suddenly with that scene, I felt Saanvi was shown as the "other woman" in Mukhi's life...(such an irritating cliche, I must say). Anyway, I love Aru...and understand her...so, its OK. Basically, my point is...that just because, i criticize does not make me negative...I must have heaped praises 100 times on this forum about how much I love the show...but if I just put forth my critical observations in 2 of my posts...does not make me or the forum negative!! On my behalf, I can tell you that I love this show...So, I do have a right to come up with observations that I don't find convincing enough.
Lastly, just because you read our posts before watching...u make a psychological assessment and then when u watch the show...your reactions are not as strong as ours...trust me, that will happen with anyone...we become cautious or extremely judgmental if we get the review before watching anything...So, I'd suggest u just read the written updates before watching and then get back to the opinion centric posts after having seen the episode yourself...may be then you will have a fairly different take on it!! Feed your mind with less information and opinion before watching it for yourself!!
Anyhow, hope have not offended u in any way...because I never meant to...my intention was just to state my view...little more objectively!! In any case, if I have, I offer my unconditional apologies...and do keep writing, I enjoy your posts...take care!!
Edited by Debashri123 - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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To keep myself from being affected by any opinions, I first watch the episode and only then come to forum to read or post. Thats because I have found my liking for an episode very very different many times than what the majority might say. Since I have watched many shows and written on many forums, I know that many reactions don't gel with me. So I always watch the episode first. Point blank...I read no reviews.
After I watch the episode, then I like to get into the head of the leads and analyze and write,...but thats me..its each to his/her own.

I like you want to keep the forum positive and balanced, so I try to figure out why the particular hero-heroine are behaving like that and then write in their support.

This show is just 3 months old and on Sony its a daily..so I dont build up too many expectations either.
Many days I just FF many scenes with Rami etc and watch the show only for AruMu..to me its how this couple survives and makes it to the top with all the negative people around them.

I think everyone writes according to what and who they relate to in the show..heady teenagers want complete idealism and romance, professionals like lawyers and doctors want to see some sense in law and medical treatment, single and married people view things differently, and women like me watch it because I can relate to the ups and downs of falling in love with your husband after you married a complete stranger..as in Arranged Marraige.I was like Aru..career driven, focused and had no time for flings, bfs or relationships . I was very focused on myself getting good education and a decent job and helping my friends with the same. When talks of my marriage came, I made a deal with my father...that I will work for 2 years..he should let me be and not press marriage on me. And after 2 years of gaining work exp, I will marry the guy he brings for me. And I did. And luckily for me, my husband supported my career goals, I was the first working woman in his family. But I also became more balances after marriage, in that my husband and kids gave me more goals in life...being home to take care of my kids did not seem like letting go of my dreams. I took breaks to devote time to family, and my husband helped me to get back to my career after those breaks. So you see, I identify with Aru for those reasons, except me and my husband are only 4 years apart.

Everyone sees a different slice of life from the same episode. Everyone identifies with a different character...based on their own life experiences. And then there are people from age 15 to age 51 on the forum...just imagine the opinions.

So I just chill and don't let myself be affected by posts. The only time I take serious offense to anyone elses post is women's security issues...the story is not such in this case.

Wally, thank you for your write up and for your opinions. Just as everyone has a right to give their opinion on the forum, good or bad, you have a right to post your opinion. And I agree that keeping forum positive is a good goal!!
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Wow, you have said everything I've been thinking..lol. I also don't watch the show on the day, I record it week long and watch it on the weekend. I'll wait till the weekend to watch and hopefully will not be disappointed!
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Hey wally😊
Evening me mene pura post likha and jab send ka button press kiya to net off ho gaya😡my bad luck.. now this is my second attempt 😃

Ur post as always superbbb and long one😉but tum jante ho i like it. 😊

Ok so mon and tues epi k baare me sabke alag alag views the.. i agree with Radha here.. sabki apni apni soch and har cheez ko dekhne and samjhne ka apna apna thinking hota hai.. sab same feel nahi kar sakte.

Mujhe mon epi se 2 prob thi.

1 mukhi ne laalji ko police ko nahi diya.. 😕friday epi me mukhi said k laalji ko death ki sazaa do and suddenly monday ko usne kuch nahi kiya.. simply usko amboli border se bahar kar diya.. that's weird.. i mean atlist usko police custody me deta.. and Aru ko bhi mukhi k ye decision se koi prob nahi thi.. Aru is a city girl not like villagers jisko apne pe hue rape attempt ka case karte hue darr lage ya wo ye soche k sab kya sochege..

i agree with u here k agar laalji ko police me dete to court case and all hota and Aru se Q kiya jata about her molesting and all... and one more thing if u noticed jab Monday epi me sab villagers factory me enter hote hai and laalji k ko dekhte hai.. that time mukhi k expressions aise the k wo nahi chahta tha k waha jo hua wo sab dekhe.. but atlist mukhi laalji pe suicide bomb ka to case kar sakta tha. But wo bhi nahi kiya.. as a Mukhiya mukhi kaise careless ho sakta tha.

2 thing jo mujhe weird laga tha wo tha precap

Aru ka suddenly saanvi k saath rude behaviour.. as audience humne last epi me jo dekha uske baad preacp me jo show hua wo digest karna tuff tha.. and wo jo reaction aaya sabka wo sudden tha.. but jab next day epi air hua so we all understood.. 😆

Tues k epi me bahot kuch hua and fast hua.. Aru ka love realization than Mukhi saanvi ka past and Aru ka wapas Ahmedabad jane ki baat.. ek epi me cvs ne sabkuch show kiya.. jisko dekhkar Aru ka ye sudden behaviour weird nahi laga. Jo bhi negative comments aaye the wo direct precap k baad aaye the .Tuesday epi dekh kar sab Aru k behaviour ko understood kar rahe the.

Ye 2point the jo mujhe monday epi k baad ajeeb lage the..and laalji wala to abhi tak mere liye weird hi hai😆

Well hum sab is show se itne jayada connect ho gaye hai k hum sab apne apne side se critics ban gaye hai😉and apne like dislike sab share karte hai..and ye baat bahot acchi hai.. jitna discussed hoga utna hi show ka rank upar jayega😳and hum sab ek dusre k thoughts and views ko enjoy bhi karege.

Over all humara forum bahot blessed hai jaha sab apne apne views share karte hai and sabke comments read kar k hamesha kuch na kuch new thing dekhne ko milta hai about ArMu relationship.. warna mene aise forums bhi dekhe hai jaha groups hote hai and pura war zone hota hai🤣

We all R lucky peoples wally😊we respect each others. That's the beautiful thing in our forum.




Edited by sanabmw - 8 years ago
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this is a realistic love story set in a fictional story, that's it guys ...lol sahi hai Wally.

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