unfair hungama on being a pro dancer

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Everytime I see many people in forum said sanam participant is unfair cuz he is a trained dancer
Then extremely popular jodi participants also unfair
As divek & monaya participate
Braska are more graceful dancer than popular jodis
But they eliminate cuz of less popularity

I like monaya but true fact is when mohit forget his step in 1st elimination round they are saved because they are second popular after divek
If a non popular jodi forgot their step they definitely eliminate

& as far as divek concerned they are definitely go in final without dancing good cuz of their popularity

So if a non dancer also dance well but they are not popular they are eliminate

So popularity also unfair
So divek & monaya should not be participate

Whatever I want abinam, braska (if they come in wild card), & monaya top 3

Definitely want abinam winner they deserve this
But as Indian reality show popularity always beat
Which happened also in lauren & shakti in respective jdj season

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Posted: 8 years ago
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i m always against trained dancers coming n competing with non dancers in reality shows
Its always unfair
I mean i remember in jdj6 lauren was there n drashti had to match her standards judges used to give lauren 30 30 30 always
N here sanam is being strictly marked just on few seconds of expressions
Both the scenarios r unfair
Thats why i think trained dancers n choreographers should not be offered dance reality shows with non dancer celebs. Because it creates either of the 2 unfair situations. Either they r strictly marked or the other contestants r marked less n r expected to match their standards.
Also this popular non popular thing is not unfair
Divek is popular n people vote with emotion their fans would vote for them even if they dance crap
So unfair n fair scenarios r created by judges makers n channel
If judges r being extra strict for being a trained dancer or expecting non dancer to match the standards of a trained dancers
Or maker n channel giving more screen space to popular jodis or jodis related to the channel thats unfair.
Fans would always vote on emotions i m a monaya fan i voted for them even when mohit forgot so u cant call me unfair or u cant call their participation unfair. But if they r given extra attention n screen space for unnecessary drama by the channel then the channel is being unfair to other jodis.
I hope i make sense 😆
Edited by luvakanksha - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: luvakanksha

i m always against trained dancers coming n competing with non dancers in reality shows

Its always unfair
I mean i remember in jdj6 lauren was there n drashti had to match her standards judges used to give lauren 30 30 30 always
N here sanam is being strictly marked just on few seconds of expressions
Both the scenarios r unfair
Thats why i think trained dancers n choreographers should not be offered dance reality shows with non dancer celebs. Because it creates either of the 2 unfair situations. Either they r strictly marked or the other contestants r marked less n r expected to match their standards.
Also this popular non popular thing is not unfair
Divek is popular n people vote with emotion their fans would vote for them even if they dance crap
So unfair n fair scenarios r created by judges makers n channel
If judges r being extra strict for being a trained dancer or expecting non dancer to match the standards of a trained dancers
Or maker n channel giving more screen space to popular jodis or jodis related to the channel thats unfair.
Fans would always vote on emotions i m a monaya fan i voted for them even when mohit forgot so u cant call me unfair or u cant call their participation unfair. But if they r given extra attention n screen space for unnecessary drama by the channel then the channel is being unfair to other jodis.
I hope i make sense😆


Lol what I said & what you get
& you post this comment in every thread
Of course being popular is unfair too if being dancer is unfair
So many dancer is dance well but they are eliminate cuz popular jodi never eliminate
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: RB.ritz


Lol what I said & what you get
& you post this comment in every thread
Of course being popular is unfair too if being dancer is unfair
So many dancer is dance well but they are eliminate cuz popular jodi never eliminate

How can being popular b unfair? Thats what i m saying
U cant call audience unfair for liking or favouring someone more than others
So having srk n salman in bollywood is also unfair throw them out 😆
Yes if the channel is favouring a jodi n giving them extra screen space thats unfair but if audience is giving votes to someone they like how can u call that unfair?
Sanam being professional dancer is unfair to other jodis purely in terms of dancing advantage u cant compare mohit sehgal or shoiab with him n judges expecting 100% accuracy from him is also unfair. They r being judged unequaly there is a different set of rules for them n expectations r high which is unfair for Sanam n abigail also.
Edited by luvakanksha - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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1. JDJ and NB are totally different shows. There, a participant dances with a pro, so participant being a pro is always a plus point which is why it is unfair to other contestants. But again, dancers survive based on good dancing and celebs survive based on their popularity, so when you give both things an equal weightage, it evens out the difference.
2. Coming to NB it's a partner based show. Here sync, coordination and chemistry hold equal importance and if a pro+amateur cannot balance it out the performance ends up being a complete mess. You can see Amar and Charlie NB5 as an example, nobody started this unfair rant then coz they never considered them as a competition. But, here abi (with her hard work and dedication), doing such a good job of matching up to sanam's level, have rendered many fandom insecure. C'mon even JDJ is all about pro+celeb dance, but do you find every dance praise worthy, do all participants end up giving as good performance as the pro+amateur combination of abinam? Certainly not. We all know what big of a mess they make at times. So, whatever is happening here is happening solely because of abi's sheer hardwork and dedication.
Sanam being a pro is not the real problem to other fandoms, it's abi's growth that's getting into their heads.
3. As I said in the 1st point itself, in majority of reality shows, judges' scores and public votes are given equal weightage. In fact, finales are totally based on public voting, so if hiring a pro is unfair than hiring a popular celeb is super unfair. ( we mean if guys, there's big if)
4. In the end it's a dance show, people watch it to see some good dance as well. If you hire all amateurs than what is the difference between award shows' thumkas and a dancing reality show? So, some pros are as essential to the show as popular celebs. Either keep both and be unfair or throw both, be fair and bankrupt as well.
5. NB is already so boring, imagine if these few couples who really dance are also out of the show coz of these fair-unfair rants what would be left in the show to watch? NachBaliye nahi ActBaliye rakhwado show ka naam.

Abi always wanted to take part in NB and since, she is a celeb she has full right to participate in the show irrespective of what her baliye does. If other participants' baliye's professions is never considered why her's?

Unfair index calculation:
Scoring:
Very popular celeb=2 points; divyanka, mohit, sanaya, bharti, deepika
Celeb=1 point; vivek, abigail, aashka, pritam, monalisa, sid, old aunty, shoaib
Prof. Dancer=2 points; sanam
Dancers trained with choreographers in jhalak or just trained in some forms=1points; bharti, sanaya, brent, monalisa (professional item dancer)
Amateur=0 harsh, old uncle, amanjot, trupti, vikrant

1. Monaya=2+1+2=5
2. Divek= 2+1=3
3. Bharti and harsh= 2+1+0=3
4. Shoaib+deepika= 1+2=3
5. Abinam= 1+2=3
6. Brent aaska= 1+1=2
7. Monvik= 1+1+0=2
8. Sid trupti = 1+0=1
9. Pritjot= 1+0=1
10. Old couple= 1+0=1
Edited by justprati - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: luvakanksha

How can being popular b unfair? Thats what i m saying
U cant call audience unfair for liking or favouring someone more than others
So having srk n salman in bollywood is also unfair throw them out 😆
Yes if the channel is favouring a jodi n giving them extra screen space thats unfair but if audience is giving votes to someone they like how can u call that unfair?
Sanam being professional dancer is unfair to other jodis purely in terms of dancing advantage u cant compare mohit sehgal or shoiab with him n judges expecting 100% accuracy from him is also unfair. They r being judged unequaly there is a different set of rules for them n expectations r high which is unfair for Sanam n abigail also.

you missed a big If dear. What we mean to say is if hiring a pro is unfair than hiring popularity or public voting is also unfair because votes and judges scores are given equal weightage. And like you said people will only vote for their favorites, people vote solely based on emotions irrespective of how good other celebs or professionals perform. Then, unfair one what grounds when dancers survive based on their dancing skills and popular couples based on public love support???
We have no problem in terence being biased or strict or whatever, chalo they are trying even out the performances so it's ok deduct their marks. But, despite abi's hard work, dedication and growth to match up to sanam's level, despite going through such harsh judgement, when fandoms of popular couple start this unfair rant saying that abinam don't deserve to participate or win the show coz sanam is a pro that seriously tests our patience. And that's the main point being discussed here.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: justprati

you missed a big If dear. What we mean to say is if hiring a pro is unfair than hiring popularity or public voting is also unfair because votes and judges scores are given equal weightage. And like you said people will only vote for their favorites, people vote solely based on emotions irrespective of how good other celebs or professionals perform. Then, unfair one what grounds when dancers survive based on their dancing skills and popular couples based on public love support???

We have no problem in terence being biased or strict or whatever, chalo they are trying even out the performances so it's ok deduct their marks. But, despite abi's hard work, dedication and growth to match up to sanam's level, despite going through such harsh judgement, when fandoms of popular couple start this unfair rant saying that abinam don't deserve to participate or win the show coz sanam is a pro that seriously tests our patience. And that's the main point being discussed here.

My only point is u can't expect viewers to be fair they watch a show for entertainment n they give votes to people they like n adore no matter what crap they perform. So expecting viewers to be fair is unrealistic. So popularity is not yardstick to judge whether something is fair or not. Even when normal people compete in a show like DID for eg, the audience tends to favour an individual by giving them more votes even if they perform badly this has happened in many reality shows not only DID.
But judges channel n makers of a show needs to be fair. They should treat all contestants equally, u cant expect mohit shoiab or harsh to compete with sanam. N u cant cut marks of sanam just on mere expression just because u expect higher from him. Their yardstick to judge all contestant should be fair n equal.They should not judge one contestant with different set of rules n another with different sets of rules.The problem lies with judges n makers n also the channel.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: luvakanksha

My only point is u can't expect viewers to be fair they watch a show for entertainment n they give votes to people they like n adore no matter what crap they perform. So expecting viewers to be fair is unrealistic. So popularity is not yardstick to judge whether something is fair or not. Even when normal people compete in a show like DID for eg, the audience tends to favour an individual by giving them more votes even if they perform badly this has happened in many reality shows not only DID.
But judges channel n makers of a show needs to be fair. They should treat all contestants equally, u cant expect mohit shoiab or harsh to compete with sanam. N u cant cut marks of sanam just on mere expression just because u expect higher from him. Their yardstick to judge all contestant should be fair n equal.They should not judge one contestant with different set of rules n another with different sets of rules.The problem lies with judges n makers n also the channel.

@bold we are trying to say the same thing to those who started this sanam is a pro so its unfair to others rant.
You are clearly missing out the point. What you're saying falls under a completely different topic. This is not the thread about how unfair judges are to abinam or how biased they are or how popular other couples are...this is the thread trying to justify why abinam's participation is fair and doesn't concern anything more.

Well, we aren't saying people can't play favouritism. But, there's a way of supporting your favorite without bashing the others as well. You know, we don't care what the channel or judges do or who they promote, or which couple has more public support, we don't even care how less screen space abinam get. All we want is to watch and enjoy what little we are getting of abinam in peace. You favor your favorite star, we aren't asking you to support ours or sympathize with ours by any means, but in doing so respect other's hardwork as well and just don't say that our favourites don't deserve to be in the show specially when the only reason you're giving is just as pointless as terence's maathe pe sikan comment. If you can give us some valid reason then ok we can discuss it.
But, if it's the same sanam is a pro so it's unfair to others rant then chill guys, if you have eyes, you can see that it is being taken care of, with much more harshness than they actually deserve. And frankly we got used to it, so we are ok with it, you guys learn to be ok with it too. Just grow up. If you are insecure try to vote more, send your favs some message of engouragement to perform better in the show and leave our abinam alone.
(Here the you refers to the unfair ranting fandom and not actually to you)


Edited by justprati - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Clearly Abinam's growing popularity has started rubbing off on some hence these kinds of lame excuses being made .
Earlier it was DT who was being targeted (given her popularity) and now Abinam .
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: justprati

1. JDJ and NB are totally different shows. There, a participant dances with a pro, so participant being a pro is always a plus point which is why it is unfair to other contestants. But again, dancers survive based on good dancing and celebs survive based on their popularity, so when you give both things an equal weightage, it evens out the difference.
2. Coming to NB it's a partner based show. Here sync, coordination and chemistry hold equal importance and if a pro+amateur cannot balance it out the performance ends up being a complete mess. You can see Amar and Charlie NB5 as an example, nobody started this unfair rant then coz they never considered them as a competition. But, here abi (with her hard work and dedication), doing such a good job of matching up to sanam's level, have rendered many fandom insecure. C'mon even JDJ is all about pro+celeb dance, but do you find every dance praise worthy, do all participants end up giving as good performance as the pro+amateur combination of abinam? Certainly not. We all know what big of a mess they make at times. So, whatever is happening here is happening solely because of abi's sheer hardwork and dedication.
Sanam being a pro is not the real problem to other fandoms, it's abi's growth that's getting into their heads.
3. As I said in the 1st point itself, in majority of reality shows, judges' scores and public votes are given equal weightage. In fact, finales are totally based on public voting, so if hiring a pro is unfair than hiring a popular celeb is super unfair. ( we mean if guys, there's big if)
4. In the end it's a dance show, people watch it to see some good dance as well. If you hire all amateurs than what is the difference between award shows' thumkas and a dancing reality show? So, some pros are as essential to the show as popular celebs. Either keep both and be unfair or throw both, be fair and bankrupt as well.
5. NB is already so boring, imagine if these few couples who really dance are also out of the show coz of these fair-unfair rants what would be left in the show to watch? NachBaliye nahi ActBaliye rakhwado show ka naam.

Abi always wanted to take part in NB and since, she is a celeb she has full right to participate in the show irrespective of what her baliye does. If other participants' baliye's professions is never considered why her's?

Unfair index calculation:
Scoring:
Very popular celeb=2 points; divyanka, mohit, sanaya, bharti, deepika
Celeb=1 point; vivek, abigail, aashka, pritam, monalisa, sid, old aunty, shoaib
Prof. Dancer=2 points; sanam
Dancers trained with choreographers in jhalak or just trained in some forms=1points; bharti, sanaya, brent, monalisa (professional item dancer)
Amateur=0 harsh, old uncle, amanjot, trupti, vikrant

1. Monaya=2+1+2=5
2. Divek= 2+1=3
3. Bharti and harsh= 2+1+0=3
4. Shoaib+deepika= 1+2=3
5. Abinam= 1+2=3
6. Brent aaska= 1+1=2
7. Monvik= 1+1+0=2
8. Sid trupti = 1+0=1
9. Pritjot= 1+0=1
10. Old couple= 1+0=1



Absolutely right, peoples problem is not that sanam is pro dancer, their problem is abi's growth

You know a lot of actor is are trained in classical dance in real life or other dance form but that never problem cuz they are actor by profession, But here sanam profession is dance & he participate dance reality show with pure dancer, so that become problem

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