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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: monu1101

I think it is always known, history is written by the victors and not by the losers.. So for a side which won a battle by treacherous means(by going against the war rules), it is not surprising that they would try to defame a righteous and brave king who lost.
For Prithviraj Raso, there can be many points, like how does Chand Bardai's son actually knew what was said between Prithviraj and Chand while attempting to kill Ghori? Answer maybe, that he or somebody else was present at the place where Chand and Prithviraj died.
But there is one more truth which being logical contradicts logic, why do they have Prithvi's grave in Afghanistan? Also why do the locals hate Prithvi's grave to the extent that they tend to insult a dead man's grave?
A king can have thousands of traitors, why only PRC would be singled out for the abuse?? There should be something really bad in their eyes, that PRC must have done. What can be more bad than killing their own king Ghori, beside whose Prithvi's grave lie.

We can assume that somebody knowing Chand and PRC must be present when both killed Ghori. But assuming that Ghori killed Prithvi and then took all the trouble to take his body to Afghanistan and bury it there. Then Ghori himself dies and lies besides the grave of Prithvi 😕 and people abuse PRC's grave... It doesn't really make sense.. at least to me..



Excellent points 👏
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: avtab

OK now I understood many people had written the story from their own understanding. Alburuni, the court poet of Ghori wrote 1, chand 1, prc vejay by 1, James 1, I think 4 more writters r there. n tat's y there r different stories. now I think Sagar is writing another 🤢 1



😆😆 ya Sagar is writing his own one and is presenting it in unique and interesting style..
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: Ron16

found some infor

Only in prithviraj raso it is written that Prithviraj Chauhan killed Ghori which was composed much later by chandbardai's son.where as in other texts it is very much clear that Ghouri who captured prithviraj chauhan killed him for planning a conspiracy against him......also the text and coins shows that prithviraj chauhan was forced to accept the islamic religion and that was what prithviraj did so as to show muhammad that he is obeying his order,but when ghori came to know about the fact that prithviraj chauhan is planning a conspiracy against him,he immediately ordered his courtier to stabb him........ death of prithviraj chauhan is still under a big question mark.....

So even though Prithviraj Chauhan's graves lays in Afghan it is still unclear how the king died...

Some Myths

The greatest myth lies in the stories that mention certain incidents in the local Rajasthani language stating that PrithviRaj Chauhan actually defeated Mohammad Ghori more than twice but rather six times & he generously allowed him to return back. Also after the defeat of Prithvi Raj Chauhan in the seventh battle, he was taken to Ghor, where he was blinded for not accepting the supremacy of Mohammad Ghori. Chand Bardai a poet cum friend of Prithviraj came to his rescue by devising a plan to kill the sultan of Ghor. Chand approached the Sultan of Ghor & informed him that Prithviraj was an excellent archer & could hit any target just by hearing the sound & would only accept this order by a king.This proposal was accepted by Ghori. On the said day, Ghori sitting in his royal enclosure had Prithiviraj brought to the ground and had him unchained for the event. On Ghori's ordering Prithviraj to shoot, Prithiviraj turned in the direction from where he heard Ghori speak and struck Ghori dead with his arrow. This event is described by Chand Bardai in the couplet, "Char bans, chaubis gaj, angul ashta praman, Ete pai Sultan hai (Taa Upar hai Sultan). Ab mat chuko Chauhan."(Ten measures ahead of you and twenty four feet away, is seated the Sultan, do not miss him now, Chouhan).



As I had written some where earlier too, that in the eyes of some Afghan historians Ghori was hero. They can't accept the fact that Prithvi had killed Ghori. Also you know one of pakistan's missile name is after Ghori. This clea
I have heard that Prithvi's grave is in Afghanistan near Ghori's grave where it is written kafir king of Delhi or Ajmer.
As for so many battles, God only knows truth ..but I think there were two major battles, and may be some small fights which may or may not be termed as battle. But its accepted by all historians that Ghori lost first battle and was successful only in last battle. I dont think he forced Prithvi to become muslim..but I know Sultans like mehmood ghaznavi and many others, did lot of terrorism and bloodshed in the name of religion for thier own political benefits, i.e, to get wealth of India. I must appreciate Sagars that they have taken great care in showing all such scenes..where Ghori is never shown as saying name of religion


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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: munyr123



😆😆 ya Sagar is writing his own one and is presenting it in unique and interesting style..

ya😆

sometime gr8 (koteshwar yatra😳)

sometime 🤢🤢

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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: munyr123



As I had written some where earlier too, that in the eyes of some Afghan historians Ghori was hero. They can't accept the fact that Prithvi had killed Ghori. Also you know one of pakistan's missile name is after Ghori. This clea
I have heard that Prithvi's grave is in Afghanistan near Ghori's grave where it is written kafir king of Delhi or Ajmer.
As for so many battles, God only knows truth ..but I think there were two major battles, and may be some small fights which may or may not be termed as battle. But its accepted by all historians that Ghori lost first battle and was successful only in last battle. I dont think he forced Prithvi to become muslim..but I know Sultans like mehmood ghaznavi and many others, did lot of terrorism and bloodshed in the name of religion for thier own political benefits, i.e, to get wealth of India. I must appreciate Sagars that they have taken great care in showing all such scenes..where Ghori is never shown as saying name of religion


😊😊Yes you are right.. I just still hope PRC does not falls into a controversy for showing the truth...
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Posted: 17 years ago
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I hope it won't be.
As it could be shown in two ways...
one way could be war of hindu King with muslim king
Other way: War between Indian King with foreign invader.

And Sagars are showing it as war between Indian King and foreign invader so I dont think it will create controversy and thats the truth. Mohammad Ghori was may be the enemy of hindus,jains and all non muslims. But Prithvi was not enemy of muslim or any religion. He cared for every people of his kingdom.

But if Sagars will show the part of Khwaja chishti, it may create controversy. I dont think they will show it.
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: monu1101

I think it is always known, history is written by the victors and not by the losers.. So for a side which won a battle by treacherous means(by going against the war rules), it is not surprising that they would try to defame a righteous and brave king who lost.
For Prithviraj Raso, there can be many points, like how does Chand Bardai's son actually knew what was said between Prithviraj and Chand while attempting to kill Ghori? Answer maybe, that he or somebody else was present at the place where Chand and Prithviraj died.
But there is one more truth which being logical contradicts logic, why do they have Prithvi's grave in Afghanistan? Also why do the locals hate Prithvi's grave to the extent that they tend to insult a dead man's grave?
A king can have thousands of traitors, why only PRC would be singled out for the abuse?? There should be something really bad in their eyes, that PRC must have done. What can be more bad than killing their own king Ghori, beside whose Prithvi's grave lie.

We can assume that somebody knowing Chand and PRC must be present when both killed Ghori. But assuming that Ghori killed Prithvi and then took all the trouble to take his body to Afghanistan and bury it there. Then Ghori himself dies and lies besides the grave of Prithvi 😕 and people abuse PRC's grave... It doesn't really make sense.. at least to me..

that's very well said ..👏 We can never know what actually happened ..n i'm not ready to accept that PRC was the same as portrayed by Sagars. They are ovbiously exaggerating ..They have shown him to be a mixture of james bond, krish, he-man, superman ,spiderman ..basically some superhero..n we all know in reality such superheros don't exist..but it's ok for them since they have to show him as a hero for their serial. Whether Ghori killed Prithvi or Prithvi killed Ghori, doesn't matter for me. That fact remains that Prithviraj was defeated by Ghori.

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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: miraclemun

Its good for historians to read because they always want diverging opinions about events in history...but for people who are out to seek the truth, the story of PRC killing Ghori is reality...and so it be, PRC killed Ghori... and no historian can deny that fact. 😡 😡



even I want to believe it!! Heck!! I do believe it!! IT IS THE TRUTH!! no doubts!! our MAHARAJA PRITHVIRAJ CHAUHAN killed the F***** ghori!!
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Well there are Historians who deny this. But I do believe that Prithvi had killed Ghori.

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