Daughter in Law or Daughter by Law?

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Todays written updates got me thinking is a Daughter in Law a Daughter by law or just the wife of your son?
In this story Easwari wants to be the most important part of her Sons life she does not want Sona to usurp that role . But as far as I can tell from the story Sona or Dev have not given that indication to Easwari that they were? Where in the show has that been established?

So it gets me thinking is the insecurity just because Sona is the daughter in law?. In Tamil my native language daughter in law is called Marumagal or Matrupon what this means is a replacement daughter. So in essence a daughter who has entered your home who your son loves.

Believe me I have seen mother in laws treating their daughters in law badly and Dil treating their Mil badly or Sons treating their mothers badly after marriage the reasons could be any of these . The Son changes after marriage thereby tilting the balance, the daughter in law who comes in does not like the mother of her husband , or the mother does not like the Sons choice...here where has it been shown any of the three so why is Easwari insecure and how will Sona having a baby solve that?

The way I see whether Sona has a child or no t she needs to be accepted because she is the woman who her son loves and who Easwari really does not have a problem with so how is having a child going to change the equation and is that love unconditional especially in the context of a mothers love which is the purest unconditional form of love

Thoughts?
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Till now, we have seen a lot of moments of Ishwari getting insecure of Sona... But they have never showed her not caring about Sona or treating her in a bad way (at least not shown directly)..

I feel the answer to the question Daughter in Law or Daughter by Law will be best answered when it will be revealed that Sonakshi cannot become a mother or has a miscarriage ( hate to say this but that's where the story seems to be heading)..

Ishwari's attitude towards Sona after that revelation will decide whether she really cares for Sona or just is concerned Bcoz of the baby..

PS- I have high hopes on this track Bcoz I am seeing this as the Dev redemption track.. If this track gets an absurd story, it will be difficult to see..


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Posted: 8 years ago
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The baby will not solve Ishwari's insecurities. She hopes the baby will keep Sona busy and away from Dev and she in turn will spend more time with Dev like before his marriage. She believes the baby will once again create balance and everything will be same as before. If Dev spends more time with Sona and the baby, no doubt she will start her emotional blackmail again. Ishwari does not care for Sona the way she cares for Dev .
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Thanks for replying
QUOTE=Zeddriz7]
Till now, we have seen a lot of moments of Ishwari getting insecure of Sona... But they have never showed her not caring about Sona or treating her in a bad way (at least not shown directly)..

My point is that for Easwari to be insecure Sona or Dev should have by their actions ignored her husband r treated her badly etc but that has not been established in this story. Dev is the same showering Easwari with love trying to balance and Sona seems to be the sweetest person so I don't think the writers have established a premise I can see.

I feel the answer to the question Daughter in Law or Daughter by Law will be best answered when it will be revealed that Sonakshi cannot become a mother or has a miscarriage ( hate to say this but that's where the story seems to be heading)..

This is what I am not able to digest as a mother how is Sona acceptance depended on her having or not having a baby?

Ishwari's attitude towards Sona after that revelation will decide whether she really cares for Sona or just is concerned Bcoz of the baby..

PS- I have high hopes on this track Bcoz I am seeing this as the Dev redemption track.. If this track gets an absurd story, it will be difficult to see..


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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: gemini54

Thanks for replying

QUOTE=Zeddriz7]
Till now, we have seen a lot of moments of Ishwari getting insecure of Sona... But they have never showed her not caring about Sona or treating her in a bad way (at least not shown directly)..

My point is that for Easwari to be insecure Sona or Dev should have by their actions ignored her husband r treated her badly etc but that has not been established in this story. Dev is the same showering Easwari with love trying to balance and Sona seems to be the sweetest person so I don't think the writers have established a premise I can see.

I feel the answer to the question Daughter in Law or Daughter by Law will be best answered when it will be revealed that Sonakshi cannot become a mother or has a miscarriage ( hate to say this but that's where the story seems to be heading)..

This is what I am not able to digest as a mother how is Sona acceptance depended on her having or not having a baby?

Ishwari's attitude towards Sona after that revelation will decide whether she really cares for Sona or just is concerned Bcoz of the baby..

PS- I have high hopes on this track Bcoz I am seeing this as the Dev redemption track.. If this track gets an absurd story, it will be difficult to see..



Exactly, even I feel Sona's acceptance shouldn't be based upon this infertility.. But watching this serial for over 8 months, I have realized one thing.. Each and every track in the show after doing all the rounds is eventually going to land at Ishwari's insecurities...Be it a serious topic like infertility or even a trivial topic like Devakshi staying at Bose house...everything revolves around insecurity..Harsh truth.. But showing her not accepting Sona for this infertility track would be unacceptable..That's why I am waiting for this track coz I don't know how CVs have planned it...
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Thanks for replying. I am hoping this is not true. zeddiz wrote something in reply to my post that got me thinking maybe Easwri will support Sona when she comes to know the truth and that will be the turning point for the positive for the show

Originally posted by: Sky21

The baby will not solve Ishwari's insecurities. She hopes the baby will keep Sona busy and away from Dev and she in turn will spend more time with Dev like before his marriage. She believes the baby will once again create balance and everything will be same as before. If Dev spends more time with Sona and the baby, no doubt she will start her emotional blackmail again. Ishwari does not care for Sona the way she cares for Dev .

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Ishwari is a person who has old world views which are tilted towaards the patriarchal system in India. i.e. Father/Son/Husband is the head of the household. Males are more important than females etc... Ishwari has seen/known 3 males in her life before Dev -- Her dad, husband and brother. It looks like her beliefs came from her mother and father being the head of the household, where he gave preference to his son(her brother) over her. Then her husband who also may have given preference to Dev or may have been happy with Ishwari after she gave birth to Dev. She also has seen how her brother behaves.
Even though maamaji is a nice person, he is shown to not be able to talk in front of his wife a lot of times. Ex -- Dev breaking engagement with Natasha, GKB taunting Sonakshi during the initial days when she came to Ishwari Nivas after burning her house where she called Sonakshi "naukrani" etc.

In most societies in India, having a living father acts like the shield for the family. When the father is alive, most people dont dare to disrespect the children or point fingers at them(Personal experience 😊). I am not saying it is correct, but it is how it is. This is also what Ishwari has experienced. She did not have anybody who could support her. Even though there was family in terms of daadi bua or others, they did not really come together as a family for her and be there for her in her hour of need.

In one of the episodes, she mentions how she was thrown out of the house in the middle of the night with her kids and how her brother provided her shelter in his house. At that time, maamaji mentions that he was able to provide shelter for only an week and he could not do more even though he wanted to indicating that GKB never really let him help Ishwari much. Whatever help he gave to Ishwari were mostly hidden from GKB. Imagine what Ishwari might have had to hear from GKB anytime she needed help, even if it was very small and maamji gave her that.

This has had a huge impact on Ishwari. She fears being subjected to the same situation with Dev's wife... We all know that Sonakshi is not like that nor Dev... But then for Ishwari her brother was also a good person who loved her and cared for her before he married GKB. With having a wife, mamaaji was forced to change his priorities whether he liked it or not. He had to abide by what GKB said. As can be seen GKB is very greedy, so we can imagine the clashes that might have happened when maamaji had tried to help Ishwari. She is now comparing Dev with maamaji...

For Ishwari that period of life is a nightmare. This has created the "what if" scenarios in her head to such an extent that she lives in constant fear of those "what ifs" coming true. Like What if Sonakshi asks Dev to move out? What if Dev forgets his responsibility for his sisters because he was involved with doing something with Sonakshi like maybe picking up his sister(just an example. btw he did forget to pickup Ishwari from temple 😆 during breakup phase), what if Dev gives all his money to Sonakshi because she asked for it? Consciously Ishwari knows this will not happen. But unfortunately she is not able to let go of this fear too for now.

And having people like GKB or Neha fueling her insecurity all the time telling how Sonakshi has taken over the house is not helping either. GKB and Neha constantly tell Ishwari that Dev spends all his time with Sonakshi, that Sonakshi likes to make only her decisions important for Dev, that Dev all the time listens only to Sonakshi etc... Her judgement right now is clouded by what she is hearing and what she thinks she is seeing...

Another big drawback for Ishwari is Dev putting her on pedestal which is also fueled by maamaji. She also feels that Sonakshi might see through her mistakes and bring her weakness to light. She feels that since Sonakshi is very capable, she might take over being the head of the household and she might become second priority to Dev. ishwari fears being in second place... once again cause of her experience.

But there will come a point where Dev will question her conditional love and her unwarrented fears without the help of alcohol. That will be the day Ishwari will truly face herself and her past and start her journey of healing...

This is my take based on my experience and what they have shown in the series so far... Hope I made sense...😊
Edited by Shaavi - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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This 360% turn of Ishwari towards Sona ... should be a big eye-opener to Dev, which I do see him sensing... it's like dream come true for him! I could see Dev Dixit praying to God... for not letting go...

But the reality is .. Ishwari'a love is conditional, her excepting Sona as Dev's choice is subject to a pleasure that she is getting! What if Sona has a miscarriage.. I want to see how will Ishwari react... or if Sona has a healthy baby, will Ishwari treat and shower love on Sona the same way after some time!

And what if Sona cannot have a baby... how will Ishwari react? Dev has a big test .. as this is the time to prove to Sona, what love is all about.. standing up for your wife ! He very well knows the dynamics before Sona news of her expecting... so Mr Dixit it's your turn to question your Ma?

I waiting for this track to unfold!
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Shaavi thanks for replying you always have a lot of clarity in your writing. Even if I agree with you that Easwari insecurities are imagined how is this track of Sona condition going to address that. Say she shows her real face to Dev than what? Scenario 1 Dev supports Sona but is disappointed in Easwari then how is the relationship going to mend is Easwari going to support Sona even if she does not have a child?
Scenario 2 What if Dev empathizes with both Easwari and Sona where he is unhappy because he couldn't make both the woman in his life happy where does the story go?

In all this what about Sona? If she is accepted in spite of her condition after she knows Easwari true colors can the relationship between her and Easwari be the same?. What if she has a child later and Easwari is accepting what happens to their relationship?.

My view this is a very sensitive topic that if not dealt carefully can leave a very bad taste and the makers could have found some other way for this insecurity to be addressed..again just my opinion.

Originally posted by: Shaavi

Ishwari is a person who has old world views which are tilted towaards the patriarchal system in India. i.e. Father/Son/Husband is the head of the household. Males are more important than females etc... Ishwari has seen/known 3 males in her life before Dev -- Her dad, husband and brother. It looks like her beliefs came from her mother and father being the head of the household, where he gave preference to his son(her brother) over her. Then her husband who also may have given preference to Dev or may have been happy with Ishwari after she gave birth to Dev. She also has seen how her brother behaves.

Even though maamaji is a nice person, he is shown to not be able to talk in front of his wife a lot of times. Ex -- Dev breaking engagement with Natasha, GKB taunting Sonakshi during the initial days when she came to Ishwari Nivas after burning her house where she called Sonakshi "naukrani" etc.

In most societies in India, having a living father acts like the shield for the family. When the father is alive, most people dont dare to disrespect the children or point fingers at them(Personal experience 😊). I am not saying it is correct, but it is how it is. This is also what Ishwari has experienced. She did not have anybody who could support her. Even though there was family in terms of daadi bua or others, they did not really come together as a family for her and be there for her in her hour of need.

In one of the episodes, she mentions how she was thrown out of the house in the middle of the night with her kids and how her brother provided her shelter in his house. At that time, maamaji mentions that he was able to provide shelter for only an week and he could not do more even though he wanted to indicating that GKB never really let him help Ishwari much. Whatever help he gave to Ishwari were mostly hidden from GKB. Imagine what Ishwari might have had to hear from GKB anytime she needed help, even if it was very small and maamji gave her that.

This has had a huge impact on Ishwari. She fears being subjected to the same situation with Dev's wife... We all know that Sonakshi is not like that nor Dev... But then for Ishwari her brother was also a good person who loved her and cared for her before he married GKB. With having a wife, mamaaji was forced to change his priorities whether he liked it or not. He had to abide by what GKB said. As can be seen GKB is very greedy, so we can imagine the clashes that might have happened when maamaji had tried to help Ishwari. She is now comparing Dev with maamaji...

For Ishwari that period of life is a nightmare. This has created the "what if" scenarios in her head to such an extent that she lives in constant fear of those "what ifs" coming true. Like What if Sonakshi asks Dev to move out? What if Dev forgets his responsibility for his sisters because he was involved with doing something with Sonakshi like maybe picking up his sister(just an example. btw he did forget to pickup Ishwari from temple 😆 during breakup phase), what if Dev gives all his money to Sonakshi because she asked for it? Consciously Ishwari knows this will not happen. But unfortunately she is not able to let go of this fear too for now.

And having people like GKB or Neha fueling her insecurity all the time telling how Sonakshi has taken over the house is not helping either. GKB and Neha constantly tell Ishwari that Dev spends all his time with Sonakshi, that Sonakshi likes to make only her decisions important for Dev, that Dev all the time listens only to Sonakshi etc... Her judgement right now is clouded by what she is hearing and what she thinks she is seeing...

Another big drawback for Ishwari is Dev putting her on pedestal which is also fueled by maamaji. She also feels that Sonakshi might see through her mistakes and bring her weakness to light. She feels that since Sonakshi is very capable, she might take over being the head of the household and she might become second priority to Dev. ishwari fears being in second place... once again cause of her experience.

But there will come a point where Dev will question her conditional love and her unwarrented fears without the help of alcohol. That will be the day Ishwari will truly face herself and her past and start her journey of healing...

This is my take based on my experience and what they have shown in the series so far... Hope I made sense...😊

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Thanks for replying you have echoed my questions but in all this we are forgetting Sona what about her?.
It is eye opener for Dev than what ? He questions his mother but can the relationship be the same again?


Originally posted by: amaypranay

This 360% turn of Ishwari towards Sona ... should be a big eye-opener to Dev, which I do see him sensing... it's like dream come true for him! I could see Dev Dixit praying to God... for not letting go...

But the reality is .. Ishwari'a love is conditional, her excepting Sona as Dev's choice is subject to a pleasure that she is getting! What if Sona has a miscarriage.. I want to see how will Ishwari react... or if Sona has a healthy baby, will Ishwari treat and shower love on Sona the same way after some time!

And what if Sona cannot have a baby... how will Ishwari react? Dev has a big test .. as this is the time to prove to Sona, what love is all about.. standing up for your wife ! He very well knows the dynamics before Sona news of her expecting... so Mr Dixit it's your turn to question your Ma?

I waiting for this track to unfold!

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