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Seraphina231 thumbnail
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Posted: 9 years ago
Finally Unres, don't kill me ๐Ÿ˜†๐Ÿ˜†

Okay, so first thing- I can't wait for Shri and Shripati to meet ๐Ÿ˜†๐Ÿ˜†
Secondly, I love the Shyam you have written, he has the calm serenity of Shantakaram ๐Ÿ˜‰ and the bounciness of Krishna Swayam. Not surprising though ๐Ÿ˜†
Mrinalini and Dharani bonding I love the parallels you draw between Dharani and Pravha/Mrinalini/Janani. I love the way they all are portrayed. โค๏ธ
But but but, the last part of the chapter is my favourite. The way you have tried to show that Krishna and Rama are the same. As you said, they both are the same, except for the fact that Krishna had the knowledge while Rama didn't. That is the only, and perhaps in their cases, defining difference.

See, I did a longish review to compensate for the looonnnggg time I took to Unres, so update jaldi se! ๐Ÿ˜† (I used more letters on the long, but IF deva ๐Ÿ˜†)

Love you ๐Ÿค—
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: KanhaKiChutki

Finally Unres, don't kill me ๐Ÿ˜†๐Ÿ˜†

Okay, so first thing- I can't wait for Shri and Shripati to meet ๐Ÿ˜†๐Ÿ˜†
Secondly, I love the Shyam you have written, he has the calm serenity of Shantakaram ๐Ÿ˜‰ and the bounciness of Krishna Swayam. Not surprising though ๐Ÿ˜†
Mrinalini and Dharani bonding I love the parallels you draw between Dharani and Pravha/Mrinalini/Janani. I love the way they all are portrayed. โค๏ธ
But but but, the last part of the chapter is my favourite. The way you have tried to show that Krishna and Rama are the same. As you said, they both are the same, except for the fact that Krishna had the knowledge while Rama didn't. That is the only, and perhaps in their cases, defining difference.

See, I did a longish review to compensate for the looonnnggg time I took to Unres, so update jaldi se! ๐Ÿ˜† (I used more letters on the long, but IF deva ๐Ÿ˜†)

Love you ๐Ÿค—

Ahuh ๐Ÿ˜†๐Ÿ˜†
Thank you kid ๐Ÿค—
Shyam does โ˜บ๏ธ
Aww thankuuu ๐Ÿ˜ณ
Raghunandan and Arya always steal the show

And I am giving a shortish reply ๐Ÿ˜†
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Posted: 9 years ago
Hi all :)
I am back with Chapter 17 :) Some parts of this chapter will seem like a jumbled mess. That is due to the fact that I intended for it to be that way.
I also have a question for you guys. Should I post this story on Wattpad?

MEANING

"Raghukul Ke Raja Dharmatma,

Chakravarti Dasharath Punyatma"

Dharani loved this song. She loved these two lines. It showed the greatness of not just Maharaja Dasharatha, but also of Raghukul itself. The presence of a great king like Maharaja Dasharatha itself ads to the glory of the Raghuvansh. Additionally, very single king of the Raghuvansh have been known for their unbreakable promises, and for their bravery and courage. And in that kul, her Lord, her Raghunandan Rama was born, as were her three sons. She was lucky to have become the kulvadhu of such a clan. Ayodhya and Mithila were equals, in all ways, after all.

"Dharanii!"

She sighed. She should have known. If it wasn't her mother, it was her grandmother.

"Coming Patti"

She rushed out of the room, knowing a long list of jobs awaited her.

"Ramam Dasharatham Sumitram Janakatmajam"

A beautiful woman told this to him, her wisdom radiating all over her face, her truth shining in her eyes. Her seva bhaav motivated him, he was determined to make this loving woman, who knew him so well proud. His eyes slowly moved to the figure standing near her. Hazel round eyes, shapely and a round face, like the moon. his wife Urmila stood, her face and eyes radiating understanding, love and a hint of knowing. He knew she would let him go just like that, she would follow all his rules, she would listen to all that he says. He also knew that though she is living in the palace, she will live like he did in the forest, with Ram Bhaiya and Sita Bhabhi. Her loving smile towards his Sita Bhabhi showed him that she would be their silent strength through their exile.

Laksh woke up, sweating. He had just had a dream. Or was it a vision? He knew he was Lakshmana. All the facts and feelings pointed to that. But the familiarity of those lines, and of those expressions he had seen in his vision gave him more belief that he was Lakshmana. And Urmila? Who is his human Urmila? Where is she? Had her realisation started yet?

He looked towards his door. The only one with answers would be his Shyam Bhaiya. And his brother loved being disturbed by him. Laksh found his cell and called his brother. His instinct told him that his brother would pick up after the first ring, and He did.

"Laksh? Kid? This late in the night? What happened?", asked a concerned Shyam.

Laksh took a deep breath, and let out all his thoughts and feelings of his dream to Shyam.

Shyam sighed. He was worried about Laksh. Even more so now that he was before. Laksh was not him. Laksh was more impulsive, though intelligent and thoughtful. Laksh was as much a contradiction as He Himself was. Additionally, He and His Bhaiya, and His younger brother Bharat to some extent were guides to Him. Shyam's parents never bothered. They were worried about the society and themselves. The fact that Shyam's birth had been an odd one was another reason for the fights that happened between His parents. Shyam was self-made. He brought Himself up. Born with strong perception and understanding, Shyam had the ability to fit anywhere He was. Yet, He wouldn't actually fit. Not till He had His Lakshmi, who in this birth was Bhudevi. He had, when He was young felt the need to fit. But His father had quelled that as well.

"You don't deserve to fit", said Dheeraj. "You aren't made that way. You will never fit. Not with your brothers, not in this family, not with the world at large"

Reflecting on those words, Shyam almost laughed. He was, technically, the Lord of the Universe. He was an avatar, yet not one. He was a form of Narayana, the Creator of the Creator. Then how can He not fit?

Now that He thought of it, He never really did. He was always much more mature than boys His age, and He was more silent than talkative. He preferred to keep to Himself, yet He was very outgoing and friendly to everyone. He never looked at girls in the wrong way, though He knew nearly every girl in both school and college had a thing for Him. The women at work were the same, but His mind was only on Bhudevi.

He sighed as He turned back to typing His story. If it was something He loved doing, it was writing. Writing was His hope, writing was His happiness. In writing lay His fight. His gut and instincts told Him that that was the same with the human form of Bhudevi.

Dharani's eyes filled with tears, as she relived one of the most painful memories of Sita.

"No. Ma Trijata, don't say that", said Sita, distress filling her. "My son Lakshmana cannot be hurt and lying unconscious"

Fat tears rolled down her cheeks, her thoughts on Lakshmana, her son. He was her first son, along with Bharata and Shatrughana. And he was lying in the battlefield. What would be doing this to her Lord? Without Lakshmana, He won't survive.

"Ma, without Lakshmana, Raghuveer will not survive", said Sita. "The two of them are like one soul, just in two bodies. Without Lakshmana, my Lord will never survive"

Not knowing what to do, and turning to her source of comfort, she folded her hands, and said, "Jagadambe! Sankathaarini! Please save Lakshmana. If anything happens to my son, the entire Sun dynasty will end. Ma, only you can protect him now"

Sita closed her eyes, her thoughts on The Divine Mother, her soul hurt due to Raghunandan's hurt and Lakshmana's unconscious nature, her heart hurting for her little sister Urmila, for she could feel Urmila's pain all the way in Lanka.

Dharani felt the tears roll down her cheeks, but she didn't care. At that moment, she was Sita. She was a Ma grieving for her darling son, for her husband whose very existence was based on Lakshmana's. Her hurt manifested further as she felt Lakshmana's pain over and over again. She remembered thinking that it was because of her that Lakshmana had gotten hurt. But then she realised that that was not the time to angst. Instead, it was the time to pray for her son, her little sister and most importantly for her husband. After all, Without Lakshmana, there is no Rama! Without Sita, Rama could be', she wrote, for she existed in His heart, but without His soul, Lord Rama could have never lived. That is why Lord Rama sacrificed His life once He did Lakshmana Parityaag. The love the brothers shared was obvious in the Lakshmana Shakti incident. The Dheer Veer Gambhher Raghuveer had broken down in the middle of the battlefield, in a way that He hadn't for Sita Haran'.

She wasn't trying to find fault with the Lord. She was trying to state the fact and explain the meaning of Rama-Lakshmana's sibling bond to the world. But would they understand? Or would they destroy the precious relationship that Lord Rama shared with Lakshmana, and instead add new twists to the tale? Would they make Lakshmana the reason for Sita Haran, when he wasn't? Would they make Lord Rama be harsh on Lakshmana? One could never tell. Not with the way people are trying to gain a new perspective. The sad part was that these people who are bashing any character from any epic were doing so with misunderstood knowledge on the character, with improper knowledge or understanding of the epic.

How can people bash Dharmaraj when they don't understand the Dharmasankat that he faced in the infamed hall of dice? How can someone bash Lord Rama for sending Sita away when she herself accepted it? When she understood that it was the Queen and not the wife sent away? How can anyone blame Lakshmana for hurting Shurpankha? Shurpankha was a demoness, who wanted to kill his Ma-samman Bhabhi. Lakshmana wanting to hurt her was not wrong. As a protective son, he did what he had to do.

Additionally, how can people blame Kunti for causing the war of Kurukshetra? It was Dhritarashtra's fault. It was Shakuni's fault. It was Gandhari's, and the Kauravas fault. Kunti cannot be blamed for Panchali marrying the five brothers either. She didn't know Panchali was even outside the hut.

Dharani sighed as she stopped typing. She knew what she wanted to say, but the flow of her thoughts were faster than her typing, leading to a jumbled puzzle of an essay. She had to rework the entire thing, edit and add points to what she had typed.

Stretching herself, she went back to doing it, as she had to get that article ready for a newspaper on mythology, which was quickly becoming popular. She was glad her cousin started this venture. This would hopefully teach the world a thing or two about ways to live, and the meaning of Dharma and Karma, the meaning of Love, and above all, the meaning of God.

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Posted: 9 years ago
Everyone has a right to have their own perspective. And the reasons for those perceptive. just because it doesn't fit one's understanding it doesn't mean it is a wrong perspective.
Afterall Modi's demonetization is also having 2 perspectives. Is he right. Is he wrong. Common people, especially rural people are standing in queue for the past 7 days to get cash.
While torn notes of 500 and 1000 is floating in Ganga. Stone pelting stopped in Kashmir.
What is right, what is wrong. So did Modi do dharma, or adharma. Did his dharma ended up doing adharma to rural people.
Did he do adharma to the new born child who died in Mumbai hospital because they didn't accept old currency or to the man who died of cardiac arrest waiting in the queue.
Or did he do dharma by making 95% of Kashmir students write their board exam. Whoever knows mythology to perfection should be able to answer this question and I would prefer to hear on it
Edited by shruthiravi - 9 years ago
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They do Shruthi, no doubt. But when their perspective is disrespecting God or a form of God, it isn't. I am firm in this. And I know you are also talking about Dharmaraj, but I will talk about him in a while.
Yes, the rural people shouldn't have had to stand for 7 days to receive the money. Maybe there should be more banks in the rural areas, so that it is easier for the rural people as well.
Many of the 500 and 1000 notes also happen to be black money, and the loss of black money is a good thing. Yes, we do loose proper notes as well, but that doesn't mean those notes cannot be earned back. They can, if one puts in enough hard work. If they take Modi's policy in the right attitude.

About the baby, shouldn't the hospital have been considerate enough and told the father to get the money in the correct notes soon, but that they will see to the delivery? That is the hospital's fault. Is it Modi's?
The man who died of cardiac arrest: Well, that is a tough one that you have me thinking on. Maybe he could have asked someone to wait in the line for him. Give me a while. Let me analyse this one thing and get back to you. I find my explanation unsatisfactory.

By making children write their board exams, he did do Dharma, no doubt.
But are we talking about Modi's Dharma, or a God Incarnation's Dharma? In my point of view, they are two different things, yet the same. For Modi, his Dharma is his country, his service to his country. For an incarnation, say Lord Rama, it is Raj Dharma. He was born of Raghukul, which was known for it's Dharma and Dhairya. He and his siblings, like their ancestors, chose Raj Dharma over personal Dharma.
Edited by KrishnaPriyaa - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
I am not ressing on this for a change.
This chapter for me, wasby far one of your best, it touched on many issues I think that have laid pending in my head for ages.
In my opinion, and people don't necessarily have to agree, at the root of all Dharma lie two things- an underlying Adharma that needs abolition, and a sacrifice. Always, Dharma operates on this. In the Rama Avatar, the Lord showed this, Himself. Raavan was the Dharma to be abolished, and the sacrifice He made was sending His wife away on the second vanvaas. As you very rightly pointed out, it was NOT the husband Sitavar who sent His wife Sita on vanvaas, but Ayodhyapati who sent the Queen Sita on vanvaas.
The same way, Lord Krishna in His avatar too shows that sacrifice and adharma are what pave the way to establishing the dharma.

So, Laksh is realising? I am liking ๐Ÿ˜‰ I love the flashbacks of both Laksh and Dharani, they show the emotions and the bond shared by a Bhabhi and Her Dewar, a mother and her son.
I am so so curious to see the life story of Shyam, it is super interesting! ๐Ÿ˜ณ
The chapter isn't exactly back and forth, I like the rhythm, it explains human psychology pretty well! ๐Ÿ˜‰

Anyway, as a reward for this long review, the same day it was written, next chapter jaldi, plis. ๐Ÿ˜†๐Ÿ˜†
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@Shrutha this is where I say perspective differ. In the human incarnation Ram became God through his actions. Ram is not God because he is Vishnu or Narayan, neither is Krishna.
They are God because within the human dharma they did actions that elevated them to Gods.

Can a human become God. Yes he can if he follows the human dharma, if we follows the path of Krishna or Rama. If they deliver on the trust kept on them. Take personal pain, suffering to change the unequal rules of the society, reform the degrading society.

So they are enough people like me who take this perspective who try to find the God inside themselves through actions. For them their questions will be different, the answers they seek will also be different because they are not worshipping Ram or Krishna but they want to emulate their actions for the betterment of others. Atleast 1% of those actions they want to do.

So when you write about perspectives I would request you to dont say some perspective is wrong, because it depends on what the person wants. If you want to worship you need a certain perspective, if you want to emulate you need a different perspective. If you want to follow completely different perspective is needed.

It depends on whether you are Arjun, Hanuman or Prahlad. Friend, Sevak ya Bhakth. What Arjun wants is different from what Hanuman wants and what hanuman wants is different from what Prahlad wants.

Arjun is the seeker of knowledge, the confused soul battling between dharma and adharma, a place I always keep myself in. Because in any dharmasankat I dont have to be dharmputra, I need to surrender to lord and direction comes solving the dharmasankat. If Hanuman has the knowledge supports the Lord in solving the dharmasankat. Prahlad, Lord manifest through him, this thoughts, his vision bringing about the change.

It is a long post. But I felt I had to put it, because you need to understand there are different perspective from the way you look at Lord himself.
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I can see where you are coming from. And I know that according to you, I think God is God. But that is not the truth. For me, Lord Vishnu/Krishna/Rama are my Lords, my Aryas before they become Gods.
A human can become God. But both Rama and Krishna are divine. I never said anyone's perspective was wrong. If you want to emulate God, you have to understand Him first, right? To understand Him, you have to understand everyone's feelings to God. To follow, emulate or worship, you need to understand all aspects of God. It is then that you can do your duty fully. Arjuna was given the Gita because of that.
I am not any of them alone. I am like all three, but I am like Sita, Radha, Bhama, Rukmini. I am more them than anyone else.
Shruthi, if anyone understands that people look at the Lord from various different perspectives, it is me. This story is just my way of looking at Him. More mine than anyone else. A perspective is never wrong, and though I accept everyone's, I can't agree with all.
Edited by KrishnaPriyaa - 9 years ago
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Perspectives can be many.

But it doesn't mean certain perspectives are wrong. At the same time, every perspective can be argued further by extending the basis of that perspective.

One can't just stick to one singular point-of-view and argue on the basis of that alone ๐Ÿ˜‰

I love how you hit the nail on the head ๐Ÿ˜‰

Please continue ๐Ÿ˜Š
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@Shrutha but to a reader of your part it feels like only one perspective is correct. I am only talking as a reader.
Maybe I dont understand you. Because I am Arjuna always in search of knowledge ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

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