The Patliputra Chronicles: Chandra's Army

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Posted: 8 years ago
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This in one question I have been asking since a long while. Where will Chandra's army come from. It was not like Chanakya could motivate his few hundred students to join the Chandra's Army like Dumbledore's Army in Harry Potter.

What other alternatives did he have, rebels, disgruntled citizens, and mercenaries? But even here, he would have needed funds to keep the army in a functioning order. Where would they come from? That was when I thought that Chandra would go like Robin Hood robbing the Magadh treasury, the Sena Nayaks , Amatyas and the administrators working under Padmanand, and a few corrupt, tyrannical, dissolute kings and allies of Padmanand. One it would cripple the entire administrative machinery in those states. It would cause fear and terror in the minds of those working on Padmanand's side.

Two, to cope with the loss to the treasury, Nand and Co. Kings would have raised the taxes levied. This would lead to a feeling of discontent among the general populace. This could be cleverly fanned to induce mutinies against the government in one part after the other in a systematic manner.

Thirdly, all this money could be used to buy insiders, powerful officers and ministers in the Cabinet of Padmanand and make it hollow from within. A slow process of inside infiltration could be started along with keeping afloat a steady stream of guerrilla warfare at the other end.

Fourthly, Chanakya and Chandra could begin cutting off Padmanand's strengths and support systems one by one, gradually weakening him.

The Chandrakya conversation about how they should take advantage of Padmanand's weakness and showing Nandini immediately after that looked a bit stale to me. You cannot bring down a powerful king by kidnapping his daughter or arm twisting him by targeting her.

There was no need at all for Nandini to come anywhere here in their plans to overthrow Padmanand. I know that many times in history, the families or women are targeted by the enemies of kings. But here, we are not talking about any enemies.

It is Chanakya and Chandragupt. I hardly know if either of the two would stoop so low as targeting a girl to take revenge against Padmanand or capture his kingdom. Nandini will ultimately suffer as collateral damage when her father and brothers will die in war.

I know that Nand behaved abominably with Moora. But, Chandra or Chanakya cannot stoop so low as Padmanand for their revenge or for their goals. Even if he wants to, Chandra cannot treat Nandini so bad. He just cannot help being chivalrous.

Though I found Chanakya policy of unite and divide he adopted with the kings very impressive as an argument, I found it hard to believe that it actually worked. Which king can be bamboozled by the threat of an attack by a ramshackle army of students, disgruntled citizens, and cow herds? It is not a trained army at all.

However big it may be, they would hardly be able to withstand the onslaught of a trained military army of a King's. One trained soldier can cause the havoc twenty untrained citizens and civilians put together cannot cause. It would just be one lawless crowd and mob. How did the kings get scared of such a proposition and agree to join Chanakya's army for Chandra. Kings is Ancient India were known for their unbending nature and fearlessness. How did such a threat even work?

But again, I found the attempt by Chandra and Chanakya not to take on the Greeks head-on in battle and just concentrate on deflecting them from Indian soil logical. Similarly, carefully engineering a mutiny from the Indian soldiers fighting on the Greek side was also a fantastic and also realistic idea.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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If you look at real history it took CGM almost 7-8 years to get punjab and another 2-3 years to attack nanda empire. It was not a easy task very tough with lot of struggles, many wars were fought and CGM lost and had to run and hide to say his life. It took painstaking 13-14 years to build army and win magadh not one two years lots of years in hidding running from enemies etc it was not simple as shown in serial

Chankya helped him in money only and may be ideas of politics like divide and defeat the kings etc but yes wars were fought by CGM using his own army which he created and built slowly. I am sure no king not even porus helped him, indeed after porus death CGm attacked punjab and annexed it. So it was a lone man and his gurus struggle. later the kings aramy he defaeted joined him after his victory may be but initially yes he created army from scratch

Many did that in history Ghenghis khan, babar etc all created army from scratch to win later, it was a common thing at that time. In 21st century it looks impossible to create army by one man from zero men but in that time it was common. People were more loyal, were less attracted to money and gold and more to create a country, people were more loyal to their commaders and leaders and kings. Not like 21st century who gives more money loyalty to him.
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You're right! It must have taken them many many years to build an army and many years to win the war. They must have lost several battles as well before the battle they won. I wish we get to see all those struggles and Chanakya Neeti as well instead of Chanakya just coming and informing him "I've recruited an army for you. Now fight the battle and win it!" At the end of the day, it is a love story, still I would love to see these things as well!

Originally posted by: myviewprem

If you look at real history it took CGM almost 7-8 years to get punjab and another 2-3 years to attack nanda empire. It was not a easy task very tough with lot of struggles, many wars were fought and CGM lost and had to run and hide to say his life. It took painstaking 13-14 years to build army and win magadh not one two years lots of years in hidding running from enemies etc it was not simple as shown in serial

Chankya helped him in money only and may be ideas of politics like divide and defeat the kings etc but yes wars were fought by CGM using his own army which he created and built slowly. I am sure no king not even porus helped him, indeed after porus death CGm attacked punjab and annexed it. So it was a lone man and his gurus struggle. later the kings aramy he defaeted joined him after his victory may be but initially yes he created army from scratch

Many did that in history Ghenghis khan, babar etc all created army from scratch to win later, it was a common thing at that time. In 21st century it looks impossible to create army by one man from zero men but in that time it was common. People were more loyal, were less attracted to money and gold and more to create a country, people were more loyal to their commaders and leaders and kings. Not like 21st century who gives more money loyalty to him.

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Precisely, my dear Prem, and the last para is spot on, very well explained.

Shailaja, if you started showing all those machinations and failures and the slow progress of the Chandragupta-Chanakya combine, the TRPs would go down below 1 very soon! The present TV viewing public is not interested in such tedious and painstaking narratives.

Chandraprakash Dwivedi showed all this in harrowing detail in his Chanakya - the sections on their handling of Porus and how, while claiming to be stabilising his hold on his former kingdom of Kekeya, they actually took it over bit by bit by winning over the people, were magisterial. In fact most of Chandragupta's army was recruited on the basis of conviction - hostility towards the foreign rulers and their Indian supporters, not thru bribery with looted money.

But that was in 1991 on Doordarshan. Not in 2016 and on Star Plus. And this would be the same even if there was no love story at all.

So if that was a longhand narrative, this one is in shorthand!

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: myviewprem

If you look at real history it took CGM almost 7-8 years to get punjab and another 2-3 years to attack nanda empire. It was not a easy task very tough with lot of struggles, many wars were fought and CGM lost and had to run and hide to say his life. It took painstaking 13-14 years to build army and win magadh not one two years lots of years in hidding running from enemies etc it was not simple as shown in serial

Chankya helped him in money only and may be ideas of politics like divide and defeat the kings etc but yes wars were fought by CGM using his own army which he created and built slowly. I am sure no king not even porus helped him, indeed after porus death CGm attacked punjab and annexed it. So it was a lone man and his gurus struggle. later the kings aramy he defaeted joined him after his victory may be but initially yes he created army from scratch

Many did that in history Ghenghis khan, babar etc all created army from scratch to win later, it was a common thing at that time. In 21st century it looks impossible to create army by one man from zero men but in that time it was common. People were more loyal, were less attracted to money and gold and more to create a country, people were more loyal to their commaders and leaders and kings. Not like 21st century who gives more money loyalty to him.

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Shyamala Aunty perhaps I am expecting too much out of Indian television. The TRPs (Turbulent Rating Points) would never take off. I am actually loving the Chanakya and Chandragupt stuff they are showing. These sections have some of the best visualized and executed scenes in CN along with the best possible lines. All this makes me greedy to see more of it, in more detail. My preferences are no benchmark for the average TV viewer.

I am finding nil interest in the much touted prem of Chandra and Nandini. God only knows how many more episodes it will be until even some meaningful ghrina comes in, prem is so far off so I am not even expecting it. At least JA had some fantastic ghrina scenes since the begining itself. Here ghrina is also not taking off. It is looking very forced. Helena and Chandra scenes also look better and are more interesting. This is not surely a good sign for a love story that is meant to be Chandra's and Nandini's.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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So the obvious course of action, my dear, is for us to forget Nandini for now and concentrate on Chanakya and Helena, besides our sonny boy, of course! A bird in the hand, and so on, you know!😉

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: shailusri1983

Shyamala Aunty perhaps I am expecting too much out of Indian television. The TRPs (Turbulent Rating Points) would never take off. I am actually loving the Chanakya and Chandragupt stuff they are showing. These sections have some of the best visualized and executed scenes in CN along with the best possible lines. All this makes me greedy to see more of it, in more detail. My preferences are no benchmark for the average TV viewer.

I am finding nil interest in the much touted prem of Chandra and Nandini. God only knows how many more episodes it will be until even some meaningful ghrina comes in, prem is so far off so I am not even expecting it. At least JA had some fantastic ghrina scenes since the begining itself. Here ghrina is also not taking off. It is looking very forced. Helena and Chandra scenes also look better and are more interesting. This is not surely a good sign for a love story that is meant to be Chandra's and Nandini's.

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