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Posted: 8 years ago
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Hi All
Posting a new topic for the 1st time here


I have 2 questions


Normally an Asur always does stringent meditation for a boon mainly for immortality
Then when Brahma or Vishnu or Shiv appears before them they ask for it
they never get immortality but in exchange they get a boon equivalent to near immortality
then his real self comes out and he causes destruction all around and then some one has to kill them

my question is when the Trinity know that after getting the boon the Asuras will cause havoc why do they grant them the boons ?

also

Why do the Gods always have to take the help of either Vishnu or Shiva or Adi Shakti ?
Why can they not kill the Asuras themselves ?

also why do we never see Brahma kill any Asur ?


sorry I am not so very well versed in mythology
Apologies for my ignorance


can some one please answer ?

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Posted: 8 years ago
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There are much more learned people in this forum, but I'd just like to share my observations with regards to this.

1) All these stories where Asuras use their boons to create havoc, were written (I prefer compiled) to teach the humanity that power, when given to the wrong person always brings destruction.
It tells us that a bad heart, no matter how hard it tries or how close it gets, will never achieve immortality.
These stories show, on more modern terms, the difference between 99% and 100%. It tells us that a 99% complete task can always be reversed but a100% cannot. Just like near-immortal asuras can be destroyed but the immortal devtas cannot.


2) Vishnu or Adi Shakti are considered the leaders of the clans of the devtas. So, to defeat the Kings of the Asuras, the leaders of the Devtas are deployed.
Also, thinking of it as an actual human-like war, we see that to destroy a particularly strong opponent, (about whose strengths almost nothing is known) a side has to unleash the most fierce weapons it consists. Among the Gods, the most powerful are Shri Vishnu and Maa Adi Shakti. So, you have it there.

You'd ask, why not Shiva? He is the destroyer, a born warrior!
Well, Shiva can pacify Kali. Who will pacify Shiva?
If he's is enraged, he'd probably end up destroying everything (including the devtas) even before you can say "Shiva"!
However, there are many instances where the Devtas themselves get rid of the asuras (with ample help, yeah), one of the more famous instances being Indra's killing of Vrtrasur.


3) And, Brahma is the creator, the beginning. Vishnu is the conserver, the middle point, while Shiva is the destroyer.
So, Brahma's comfort zone is creating, which he does. Shiva's comfort zone is destroying, which again, he does at the right time.
Between them, Vishnu is the multitasker. 😳
And so, Brahma does not take part in any violence.
However, without him, in 99.9% cases, the devas don't know what to do, which Shakti to approach etc. So Brahma does play a key role in their destruction.


Hope this was helpful. 😳
Feel free to ask in case of further doubts, I'll only be too glad to help out as far as I can.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Thank you so much for such a detailed reply😃
1)
Wow that is such a wonderful way to put it. So that means however strong Evil is it will always accept loss at the hands of the Good.Is this applicable even in thi Kalyug ? Also are some sins forgiven if one does extreme penance or some real good work or repents ?

2)
OK so Vishnu is the leader as Shivji can be too angry and destroy all in the process. I get it now

3)
Brahma only guides the Devas in the right path at the time of need to destroy the Asuras.

Yes i got the answers to all my queries for now 😊

I have another question posted below
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Posted: 8 years ago
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If I want to know about mythology what are the books I can refer ?
for example is DevDutt Pattnaik a good reliable author ?
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: 2filmy

Thank you so much for such a detailed reply😃

1)
Wow that is such a wonderful way to put it. So that means however strong Evil is it will always accept loss at the hands of the Good.Is this applicable even in thi Kalyug ? Also are some sins forgiven if one does extreme penance or some real good work or repents ?

Yes. In Kaliyuga, I believe justice is delayed but not denied, and believe me karma works! 😃
Sins are only forgiven when someone truly repents. All other forms of penance will go in waste. 😳


2)
OK so Vishnu is the leader as Shivji can be too angry and destroy all in the process. I get it now

3)
Brahma only guides the Devas in the right path at the time of need to destroy the Asuras.

Yes i got the answers to all my queries for now 😊

I have another question posted below

sambhavami thumbnail
Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: 2filmy

If I want to know about mythology what are the books I can refer ?

for example is DevDutt Pattnaik a good reliable author ?



I have not read many books on Mytho, but Devdutt Pattanaik is definitely not reliable (at least not before you've finished the original texts).
If you want to read the original texts' translations you can visit

http://www.sacred-texts.com
^^It has Ramayan, Mahabharat and Srimad Bhagvatam for sure. Others, I think I saw some more.

I'll let you know if I come across any other. 😳
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Thanks for all the info 😃
Sorry 1 more question
really apologize for troubling you so much

Why is Indra so errrm after married women or unwilling women ?
I mean he is the King of the Devas so he should act like a King right
Many times his behaviour is very unkingly

also seems he suffers from the 6 drawbacks we have

Kaam Krodh Lov Mad Moho Matsarya

why is it so ?
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: 2filmy

Thanks for all the info 😃

Sorry 1 more question
really apologize for troubling you so much

Why is Indra so errrm after married women or unwilling women ?
I mean he is the King of the Devas so he should act like a King right
Many times his behaviour is very unkingly

also seems he suffers from the 6 drawbacks we have

Kaam Krodh Lov Mad Moho Matsarya

why is it so ?



No problem at all! 😳

See, what someone should do is often a long way from what he does.
Indra, under normal circumstances, is an idea king. But there are times when he is defeated by temptations. So, it's not as important to see why he commits those heinous crimes, as it is to understand it's consequences and the lesson those stories convey (that we should not give in to temptations).

As for my opinion (with my limited knowledge) Indra was originally a human (one of them, confirmed human 😳) so he became insecure when he saw someone else doing penance. He always thought he might have to go back to his human life if this one succeeds. So, he tried to foil their efforts.
And as for his trysts with girls, I hate that part too, and can only say that we should learn not from him but from the punishments he receives.

I feel it also shows us that even our leaders can be fallible and that's okay till he can hold himself in the court. No one loves Indra for being jealous or lustful, but frankly, it's his personal lives. He gets enough of curses from those he wrongs, so there is no particular need for any other God to intervene. 😳

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