Are we really open to grey shaded women? - Page 8

Firstly, Wow you got 62 likes👏. It shows how well you have worded it. Loved the post.

You finally answered my question that has been bugging me since the majboori factor started, the CVs are scared t show a grey character. I kept wondering why CVs would destroy a con woman with her abla nari angle. and you answered it. It isn't completely the writers' fault, it's the channel's fault too.

They want to fill SP with perfect Bahu's and perfect future Bahu's that CVs need t be careful. Even then CVs could have done a way better job.

If Om is white then Ishana should be the one making most of the mistakes. That's the whole point but girls aren't supposed to be flawed according to SPs. I must be an idiot who vowed not to watch an SP show after they ruined a previous youth show. I started watching because it's Gul and she made SP handle IPKKD well. That's the only reason but I chose poorly.

Another reason just for me is that I have been into english shows and still am. I kinda quit Indian television and came back here. So there in those shows, all characters have a strong base. Even if the character stays for only one epi, he or she has a solid character. I can't seem to find that in Indian shows. They were never there but now it bothers me even more.

Anyways, I agree with everything you said. Well put.

No the audience is not yet open to grey shaded female protagonists. Bas bolne ke liye log bolte hai but when it unfolds onscreen then very few like to see it.

Originally posted by: LiveEatLove

No the audience is not yet open to grey shaded female protagonists. Bas bolne ke liye log bolte hai but when it unfolds onscreen then very few like to see it.

They all want sachai ki murat , Oberoi family ki puja karne wali bahurani... some people din't even understand that ishana did not for once justify her act. She knows she was wrong. She only retaliated and showed Om the reality of his family when he questioned her upbringing coz Ish knew what she was doing all this while was out of compulsion not by choice. Hence the outburst.

IMO, majority of the audience are open. If we can come up with SvetKara we sure as hell can think and accept so much more but only if the character is shaped and executed properly. No one can deny that she wasn't properly constructed as the con-girl everyone wanted. Either you are guilty or you are enjoying conning. Choose one and stick to it. This is a fact.
Justifying part - I felt the Amiri Gareebi dialogue was her justifying her actions. Lets not forget the iconic 'truth is a luxury for the rich' dialogue which was stated BEFORE the family insult. She was trying to justify herself. Period.
Your take was true if you see the older generation considering shows like SNS are topping TRP charts (I am baffled over this, truly 😕 ). The younger generation is watching English TV shows. Trust me, if we can like Jamie Lannister, we can like grey shaded women in Indian television.
Peace!

Originally posted by: BookWormV

IMO, majority of the audience are open. If we can come up with SvetKara we sure as hell can think and accept so much more but only if the character is shaped and executed properly. No one can deny that she wasn't properly constructed as the con-girl everyone wanted. Either you are guilty or you are enjoying conning. Choose one and stick to it. This is a fact.
Justifying part - I felt the Amiri Gareebi dialogue was her justifying her actions. Lets not forget the iconic 'truth is a luxury for the rich' dialogue which was stated BEFORE the family insult. She was trying to justify herself. Period.
Your take was true if you see the older generation considering shows like SNS are topping TRP charts (I am baffled over this, truly 😕 ). The younger generation is watching English TV shows. Trust me, if we can like Jamie Lannister, we can like grey shaded women in Indian television.
Peace!

@LiveEatLove: I do not like SvetKara, my point here was that the audience can come up with something like THIS. Apologies for the SNS comment. Judgemental of me to assume the younger generation would avoid it. The truth dialogue is iconic. My point here was not the dialogue but the occurrence of it. It came BEFORE the family insult convo. I felt it was justification for her wrong doings. She could have apologized and plain walked away, amiri gareebi dialogue was BEFORE the insult. Lashing out to defend family was a knee jerk reaction got it. No issues there. Was just clarifying your 'no justifying' point. And compulsion not choice? She was enjoying it! Dancing jumping around? Didn't seem like compulsion. Vrushika is a fabulous actor, VruNal chemistry set fire to my TV screen yesterday BUT the scene just went ahead and confused us more, is she a con girl liking con? Or a majboor guilty feeling person? That is the issue. Lets leave this Ishaana right wrong aside. Grey characters need background, character construction and depth. None of which is shown in Ishaana for me at this point. I love the takes various writers are taking with her character, but the show characterisation is a no go for grey character.

P.S.: That profile pic is awesome!

Bang on post! Kehne ke liye sabhi kehte hai we want grey shaded opp om but in reality cannot accept it.

Originally posted by: Aahana-

Agree! Klaus is black through and through and yet I love him so much! I started liking him even before they showed him in flesh in TVD because of the aura they created about him and then when he entered and started ruining all the things I held dear (Stelena fan here) I weirdly started loving him and then his and Caroline's scenes were ❤️ I clearly remember shaking my head and thinking 'how evil, how diabolical' when he killed Tyler's mom and was drenched in blood.

Even the rest of the Originals. Elijah is moral and all but his mother did once point it out to him how he has used wrong ways to get to his goals and how we all love Elijah! Rebecka has tortured so many people, gave away Klaus to their father because she wanted to be with Marcel yet when she cries my heart goes out to her because they all are so bad but so broken and love each other fiercely. This is characterization where you end up feeling for even the worst characters and a great example of gray shades.

P.S I have only seen the first season of 'The Originals' but yes, Klaus's character got so famous that they came up with a new show for him and the entire 'Originals' family. TVD went downhill the moment he left. If done well, any character can work.

@foreverlazy I love Rebekah! Right from the moment she entered in TVD. She must have been a brat but the way her character grew on me! I don't remember the exact scene but I do remember feeling so so bad for her when she confronted Klaus and threw all his blood bags because he saved Caroline and he didn't even bother telling her that he was alive and how when he died she mourned him. Not Elijah, not anyone else but she did. Her initial craze to be human because all she wanted was an ordinary life.

Originally posted by: Aahana-

@foreverlazy I love Rebekah! Right from the moment she entered in TVD. She must have been a brat but the way her character grew on me! I don't remember the exact scene but I do remember feeling so so bad for her when she confronted Klaus and threw all his blood bags because he saved Caroline and he didn't even bother telling her that he was alive and how when he died she mourned him. Not Elijah, not anyone else but she did. Her initial craze to be human because all she wanted was an ordinary life.

Like I said I have only seen the first season so don't know about Freya but can speak about 'the Original' family's obsession to kill each other and then end up saving each other because of the powerful love they feel for one another. No body in TVD or 'the Originals' is doodh ka dhula. All are gray. Some even totally black. All have committed unspeakable crimes and murders but how we all end up loving them. I so clearly remember rooting for Klaus, Elijah, kol and Rebehka when their mother was trying to kill them all because they were a blot on humanity, a danger that had to be eradicated from this planet and if we think with a sane mind, she was so right yet I or anyone else I knew wanted them to live and not die. The humanization of these black, bad and most evil people is amazing! You can't help but feel for them and if as a director you have managed to do that then you have achieved everything!