Nutritionist or a doctor?

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soumya

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Posted: 9 years ago

Okay so here is the thing. I have read a lot of posts here bashing the CVS for either bad characterisation or being technically wrong. Actually this is not the case. But Considering that many of the forum members here are from abroad I understand how things might look wrong to them. So I would like to clear some things for them. The post about the characterisation I shall write later. For now I would like to answer the main question everyone keeps asking.

The main female lead is a nutritionist and not a doctor.

- okay. People don't understand how the degrees in India work. Abroad it is possible to be a nutritionist without any degree. So is it possible in India. But usually medical clinics and hospitals recruit people who have a MBBS or hmbs degree prior to their PG in nutrition. These people are doctors since they have completed their graduation in medical.

Also many seem to confuse a dietician with a nutritionist. Both of these terms are different. Dieticians do not have to be so concerned about health as to losing or gaining weight. Nutritionist are strictly concerned with health as they deal with delicate patients like people with heart problems etc. Therefore it is ideal to go to a nutritionist with a medical degree as they know how the food may affect the rest of your organs medical health.

In this serial Sonakshi has clearly mentioned many times that she has been to medical school and even topped which tells us that she indeed has completed her MBBS and is a doctor. So she should be rightfully referred to as Dr. Sonakshi Bose.

For now that's it. I'll clear the other things in my next post.

This post is not made to undermine anyone elses opinion or knowledge. It is just me sharing my knowledge and views with others. If any information given is wrong please do point it out to me. But please do so cordially.

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Mahadevi

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Posted: 9 years ago

Thanks for this informative post. I've already mentioned these information in many comments of mine but many people still didn't get it.
Usually most tertiary clinical set ups has at least one doctor who has done diploma on nutrition after passing MBBS. This is completely different from what they call in west as Nutritionist
I'm telling you where the problem lies . Many people nowadays who are not doctors but just has done degree in diet n nutrition are calling themselves nutritionists while the correct term is dietician only
There is a big difference between the subject or professional arena of Dieticians with that of Nutritionists.
Being Doctors they know the effect of food and disease n normal physiological processes like pregnancy on each other.

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docdocgo

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Posted: 9 years ago

I am a specialist in India and there is no medical specialisation in nutrition. I have never known anyone who would practice as a dietician/nutritionist after MBBS in India .

There may be people practising as Nutritionist after medical school but it is not a general practice.It is definitely not the end of the world in the job scenario.

A medic graduate has much better chance of finding a medical /clinical or even research job than work as a nutritionist if she has financial constraints.

There are people who may do pgdiploma in clinical dietetics but mostly as axillary courses and not as first choices as it is not a medical specialisation.

Nutritionist jobs in health programmes are mostly taken up by Bsc/MSC nutrition science candidates.

People maybe working part time as nutritionist when preparing for post graduate exams but there are many other part time jobs like that of research assistant or medical transcription.

No doctor is definitely dependent on a nutritionist job with a medical degree in hand

If sonakshi bose indeed did MBBS and topped in medical school,she should be practising as a physician or medical officer.There are ample jobs for the same in govt and Pvt setup.She could have pursued medical specialisations or public health masters ,MBA or even masters in health admin if job prospects was a problem and she had to handle finances.

Nutrition science isn't taught in MBBS as a subject and yet medical students cover a lot of nutrition aspects important for clinical management.

It is completely possible for a MBBS to do anything as she wishes after her graduation but it is more than obvious that becoming a nutritionist is not a high paying job by any means.Even a medical officer with only MBBS is paid measly.

And for someone to leave their line of work and become a nutritionist doesn't make sense when you put the words topper, financial problems etc.

***nutritionist job profile is not of a clinician .It is a below average paying job unless you are a celebrity nutritionist who writes columns in magazine or a highly experienced one with many years behind you.All very rare opportunities.

The probability of a nutritionist ,physiotherapist,occupational therapist and psychologist being called a doctor in India is more than any one these professionals being a MBBS graduate.

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docdocgo

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Posted: 9 years ago

I honestly want to like this serial and maybe I have invested too much into it.haha😊😊.I like shaheer and even the lead actress.

And we have all loved supriya since her earlier shows.

It's just the unfair portrayal. If she is an actual medical doctor,why is she working in such a disrespectful scenario.

There are too many loose threads.

Sona's family doesn't look like a family for which the daughter has to work in a job with no respect even if high paying while she has a professional degree in hand.

Some things just don't make sense.If these are handled well.It would make more sense realistically.

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soumya

@Ayuzawa

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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: docdocgo
I am a specialist in India and there is no medical specialisation in nutrition. I have never known anyone who would practice as a dietician/nutritionist after MBBS in India .
There may be people practising as Nutritionist after medical school but it is not a general practice.It is definitely not the end of the world in the job scenario.
A medic graduate has much better chance of finding a medical /clinical or even research job than work as a nutritionist if she has financial constraints.
There are people who may do pgdiploma in clinical dietetics but mostly as axillary courses and not as first choices as it is not a medical specialisation.

Nutritionist jobs in health programmes are mostly taken up by Bsc/MSC nutrition science candidates.

People maybe working part time as nutritionist when preparing for post graduate exams but there are many other part time jobs like that of research assistant or medical transcription.
No doctor is definitely dependent on a nutritionist job with a medical degree in hand

If sonakshi bose indeed did MBBS and topped in medical school,she should be practising as a physician or medical officer.There are ample jobs for the same in govt and Pvt setup.She could have pursued medical specialisations or public health masters ,MBA or even masters in health admin if job prospects was a problem and she had to handle finances.

Nutrition science isn't taught in MBBS as a subject and yet medical students cover a lot of nutrition aspects important for clinical management.

It is completely possible for a MBBS to do anything as she wishes after her graduation but it is more than obvious that becoming a nutritionist is not a high paying job by any means.Even a medical officer with only MBBS is paid measly.

And for someone to leave their line of work and become a nutritionist doesn't make sense when you put the words topper, financial problems etc.

***nutritionist job profile is not of a clinician .It is a below average paying job unless you are a celebrity nutritionist who writes columns in magazine or a highly experienced one with many years behind you.All very rare opportunities.

The probability of a nutritionist ,physiotherapist,occupational therapist and psychologist being called a doctor in India is more than any one these professionals being a MBBS graduate.

Okay. So I read the reply and let me tell 1st. My friend has done her PG in pathology. Which also can be done without a MBBS degree. Similarly to do PG in nutrition you do not specifically need to be a MBBS. But 1st as it is mentioned Sonakshi's family is financially not so good. The MBBS course it self cost a loads. With only her father earning I cannot imagine how they managed that along with her brother's education. So it is pretty much understandable that Sonakshi would the do a diploma or something that would have lower fees.

Plus the entire nutritionist don't get a good pay is absurd. Same thing used to be said for dermatologist and then what do you know? They get paid on par with an IIT topper. My Mom's nutritionist herself gets paid a lot. And she herself has told me facts about all this for years so I am pretty confident about my facts. In today's world India is one of the growing grounds for nutritionist just like how IT engineers are getting more importance now.

And a nutritionist with a MBBS degree gets more pay then a person without MBBS.

I know you said you are a practitioner in India but since I personally know a nutritionist who we pay a lot for each appointment and who also has a lot of patients I am sure that being a nutritionist is not a low paying job.

Also when said that she can earn a lot without her nutritionist title, I assume it means as an MBBS she can earn a lot. Well to be honest my friend who is doing pathology now kept telling me that only MBBS now a days means nothing. Ithey don't even give you a job in private sector and at the most you get a regular doctors job in government hospitals where the pay is not that good. So I am assuming it wouldn't help the character of Sonakshi as her family is not that well to do money wise.

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soumya

@Ayuzawa

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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: docdocgo
I honestly want to like this serial and maybe I have invested too much into it.haha😊😊.I like shaheer and even the lead actress.
And we have all loved supriya since her earlier shows.

It's just the unfair portrayal. If she is an actual medical doctor,why is she working in such a disrespectful scenario.

There are too many loose threads.

Sona's family doesn't look like a family for which the daughter has to work in a job with no respect even if high paying while she has a professional degree in hand.

Some things just don't make sense.If these are handled well.It would make more sense realistically.

Well I can't help with the liking of the show but I can answer your questions.

1st why is Sonakshi working in such a disrespectful scenario.

Well for one she is a nutritionist and slowly there is a steady rise in doctors who are taking the nutritionist path as their career option. So it is understandable for private hospitals to be influenced by a big busines man like dev to refuse her the job. Since every hospital need only one nutritionist and there are currently many out there. True she may be the best. But the hospitals are not desperate to have the best unlike dev. So with that Sonakshi has only gov. Jobs available which she mentioned as not being that high paying. That is why she has to take this job even though it's against her principals and degrading. She is right to be angry as dev took her other patients away from her and now she is wasting that time doing nothing at his house other than telling the cook what to do.

Your 2nd question is well the part of the answer to your 1st question. True her family looks fine financially. But that's because till now she has had a steady income. Her father's medicines were managed by his pension. So everything is fine. But now she has no income. So even though they have a house and medicines there is no money left for rest of their needs. Hence she needs the job.

I hope I answered everything so finally it's your choice if you want to like this show or not.

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Mahadevi

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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: Ayuzawa

Okay. So I read the reply and let me tell 1st. My friend has done her PG in pathology. Which also can be done without a MBBS degree. Similarly to do PG in nutrition you do not specifically need to be a MBBS. But 1st as it is mentioned Sonakshi's family is financially not so good. The MBBS course it self cost a loads. With only her father earning I cannot imagine how they managed that along with her brother's education. So it is pretty much understandable that Sonakshi would the do a diploma or something that would have lower fees.
Plus the entire nutritionist don't get a good pay is absurd. Same thing used to be said for dermatologist and then what do you know? They get paid on par with an IIT topper. My Mom's nutritionist herself gets paid a lot. And she herself has told me facts about all this for years so I am pretty confident about my facts. In today's world India is one of the growing grounds for nutritionist just like how IT engineers are getting more importance now.
And a nutritionist with a MBBS degree gets more pay then a person without MBBS.
I know you said you are a practitioner in India but since I personally know a nutritionist who we pay a lot for each appointment and who also has a lot of patients I am sure that being a nutritionist is not a low paying job.
Also when said that she can earn a lot without her nutritionist title, I assume it means as an MBBS she can earn a lot. Well to be honest my friend who is doing pathology now kept telling me that only MBBS now a days means nothing. Ithey don't even give you a job in private sector and at the most you get a regular doctors job in government hospitals where the pay is not that good. So I am assuming it wouldn't help the character of Sonakshi as her family is not that well to do money wise.

Sadly the reality is an only MBBS has very few job prospects in India. I'm myself an MBBS and trying for Post graduate exams therefore I'm already looking into these matters, plus both my father n my uncle are doctors ( My father is a surgeon ) so I'm completely confident on whatever I'm saying.

Nowadays quacks earn more than an MBBS , my father , as he was not from a very financially sound family , immediately had to start earning money after passing MBBS to earn for the family , so he did a diploma on Tuberculosis and joined a Govt. Sec. , and even then the pay package was not good , only after he cracked PG entrance n became a surgeon 4 yrs later, did he have good footing.

So the job scenerio for doctors are not as peachy as some might think , in our country.

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soumya

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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: AnnaPaquinFan

Sadly the reality is an only MBBS has very few job prospects in India. I'm myself an MBBS and trying for Post graduate exams therefore I'm already looking into these matters, plus both my father n my uncle are doctors ( My father is a surgeon ) so I'm completely confident on whatever I'm saying.
Nowadays quacks earn more than an MBBS , my father , as he was not from a very financially sound family , immediately had to start earning money after passing MBBS to earn for the family , so he did a diploma on Tuberculosis and joined a Govt. Sec. , and even then the pay package was not good , only after he cracked PG entrance n became a surgeon 4 yrs later, did he have good footing.
So the job scenerio for doctors are not as peachy as some might think , in our country.

I totally get you. My friends who just finished MBBS keep crying that they have no jobs. So I totally understand your problem. And really hope that you find a major soon. And you get what your looking for. Best of luck:)

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docdocgo

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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: AnnaPaquinFan

Sadly the reality is an only MBBS has very few job prospects in India. I'm myself an MBBS and trying for Post graduate exams therefore I'm already looking into these matters, plus both my father n my uncle are doctors ( My father is a surgeon ) so I'm completely confident on whatever I'm saying.
Nowadays quacks earn more than an MBBS , my father , as he was not from a very financially sound family , immediately had to start earning money after passing MBBS to earn for the family , so he did a diploma on Tuberculosis and joined a Govt. Sec. , and even then the pay package was not good , only after he cracked PG entrance n became a surgeon 4 yrs later, did he have good footing.
So the job scenerio for doctors are not as peachy as some might think , in our country.

I understand your situation.We all have struggle to get the coveted post graduate seat and even then the struggle doesn't end.The struggle stories are so many and it is disheartening.But keep hanging there and work hard,you will get what you wish for.😊

And yet there are a lot of things that medical graduates branch into and nutrition isn't one of them.

There are many diplomas and research jobs .

And medical graduates are not qualified for nutritionist jobs till they do Pg diploma in that subject which again is expenditure of money as it is not a clinical job like postgraduation.

One can do Pg diploma in critical care ,sonology etc.

I have known and worked with many nutritionists and in a country where even medical post graduate residents till the age of 25-30 are earning less than 45k in most of the States of India, it is impossible for nutritionists to earn more than them.

As you rightly said,the salaries of health professionals are very less unless they are in a flourishing private practice or experienced enough for corporates to come calling

We start earning after 30years if we are lucky.

The salary of a pediatric assistant professor who would be around 32-35 years is 85k-1lakh.that is after 12-13 years of study.

And sonakshi in this show is supposedly being paid rs1.5 lakh bcoz of the grace of dev dixit.

It is impossible for a hospital based nutritionist to earn this much .

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docdocgo

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Posted: 9 years ago

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Originally posted by: Ayuzawa

Okay. So I read the reply and let me tell 1st. My friend has done her PG in pathology. Which also can be done without a MBBS degree. Similarly to do PG in nutrition you do not specifically need to be a MBBS. But 1st as it is mentioned Sonakshi's family is financially not so good. The MBBS course it self cost a loads. With only her father earning I cannot imagine how they managed that along with her brother's education. So it is pretty much understandable that Sonakshi would the do a diploma or something that would have lower fees.
Plus the entire nutritionist don't get a good pay is absurd. Same thing used to be said for dermatologist and then what do you know? They get paid on par with an IIT topper. My Mom's nutritionist herself gets paid a lot. And she herself has told me facts about all this for years so I am pretty confident about my facts. In today's world India is one of the growing grounds for nutritionist just like how IT engineers are getting more importance now.
And a nutritionist with a MBBS degree gets more pay then a person without MBBS.
I know you said you are a practitioner in India but since I personally know a nutritionist who we pay a lot for each appointment and who also has a lot of patients I am sure that being a nutritionist is not a low paying job.
Also when said that she can earn a lot without her nutritionist title, I assume it means as an MBBS she can earn a lot. Well to be honest my friend who is doing pathology now kept telling me that only MBBS now a days means nothing. Ithey don't even give you a job in private sector and at the most you get a regular doctors job in government hospitals where the pay is not that good. So I am assuming it wouldn't help the character of Sonakshi as her family is not that well to do money wise.

MD pathology is a medical specialisation,cannot be done without a medic degree.It is highly coveted nowdays as people setup their own labs.Your friend might not have been interested in setting up her own path lab and things differ from city to city.

One cannot be a pathologist without studying medicine in india.

Most students in India cannot afford Pvt colleges with fees in range of 28-50lakhs ,and give all India entrances for govt colleges.

India's medical education is actually very cheap if you qualify all govt run exams.It is free for female students in many states.Most govt college fees are in the range of rs 500-25000 for 5.5 years of education.

Postgraduate exams are very competitive but you earn a stipend/monthly salary .

It is only the Pvt medical colleges in India which are expensive.And most of our parents could not have afforded them.

As annapanquinfan said, many of us struggle for years to get the postgraduate branch of our choice in govt colleges and do part time clinical jobs or research work.

People give entrances again or MBA,mha or public health.Research courses can also be done which are in public institutions with monthly stipends

I have gone through all the struggle and so have my friends.None of us were earning even at the age of 25 and I have friends from remotest villages of rajasthan who struggled for 3-4 years.if becoming a nutritionist was such a fetching profession,people would be dying to do that after MBBS, but it is the rarest of rare cases.And that is because there are no jobs.And the ones there are have measly pay.It is only when you are unable to qualify entrance for long ,cannot afford pvt college , want a easy job with average pay that you branch out.

People don't even take medical specialisations like biochemistry and physiology because the prestige of being a doctor is not associated with them.

Nutrition science isn't even a medical specialisation.

Nutritionist profile is not of a medical graduate and is again an uncertain job.A nutrition works along with a doctor.

Imagine a 32 year old doctor in hospital setup earning 70k per month,it is impossible for nutritionist to earn even half of that.And this the pay in govt setup,it is even less in pvt sector unless you are very experienced.

What I mean is that it is not like an IT engineers job where there is a lot of demand in the market.

If there are less jobs and seats for doctors in India ,how can there be more for nutritionists??

It is only when people have a Pvt practice and reputation can they earn as a nutritionist.

It is practically impossible for people in India to have a personal nutritionist .only the rich can think of that and then they will pay you nicely.but even they don't have one staying at home.

And people don't become a reputable nutritionist at such a young age.

People in India don't believe in nutrition and physiotherapy yet.Quacks and alternative medicine are more popular and they earn more.

There is a woman who runs a beauty parlour near my house and adds Dr before her name.She earns more than the dermatologist in my area. And why does she put Dr because she has a PhD in astrological science.She doesn't let anyone know that.

The misconceptions in India are abundant .When a big production movies like khoobsurat had a royal family calling sonam Kapoor,a physiotherapist -a doctor.That means the misunderstandings are rampant.

**IIt is an undergraduate level exam,they maybe earning handsomely at 22yrs of age.

Dermatologist is what you become after 8-10 years after entrances,after MD in dermatology.

And not all dermatologists earn well ,same as pathologists.

22years old iitian would be earning more than a 30 year old dermatologist in most scenarios.

Dermatology includes procedure and detailed ,intricate stuff done to you skin,face ,hair It requires extreme level of skill and reputation. Once a botox job is done wrong,that patient won't come back and you will lose more.

Nutrition science has no procedures.They have to supervise and formulate diet charts.it's not a high skill work .The risks are low.The chances of someone dying because of that work are very less.It requires knowledgeable professionals but does not need a medical doctor.They can work under supervision or collaboration with doctors.

These kind of jobs have low pay in india.Unlike West where beauty related ,awstheticians, nutrition etc are now media savvy profiles.India hasn't yet picked up on those trends because we can't afford tO.

I will try to get past this but knowing the ground reality and being of the around the same age as the female lead, it is difficult to believe the character. It will take me at least 6-7 years more to build reputation in my specialisation, let alone people sabotaging my job for my esteemed services.😆😆😆

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