Severus Snape -- Underrated

Hey guys,

I never visit this forum but I just found time to read DH and frankly, I am extremely dissapointed. My favorite character in the HP series have always been Draco Malfoy and Severus Snape, and i find JKR did no justice to the latter's character. Yes, she used realism to show the whole "You Betray, You Die" theme, but it was severely underrated. There was a barely a decent chapter on him, and his emotion were only shown as "tears dropping thruogh his cheeks". Honestly, after portraying him as a strong if not unemotional character for six freaking books, she suddenly shows him as a hopeless softie. It's just not done. And the only reason that Harry won the whole war was because of him, he would never have retrieved the sword etc if he didnt have Snape's help. And what does he do? Give his son the middle name of Severus and say "he was one of the bravest people he ever knew". Well, he didnt even know him, did he? Harry also says that he, Voldemort, Snape etc were the alone ones or something, and he could understand them, but thats so not true!

Sorry guys, I realise that you all might love Harry etc, but I thought this had to be said. Severus Snape had been one of the strongest characters during the whole series, and he doesn't even get a fitting retribution for his heroic deeds. His emotions are not showed, his background is not showed, all is showed is that he and Lily never talked to each other because he called her a "mudblood" once. Now that's just plain rubbish, and it is impossible that they cuoldn't have gotten a chance to get in contact.

Ok, so ... I have a lot more to vent, but I'll stop here. The only thing I can give JKR credit to in the novel is the line

"Look...at...me" and "Green eyes met black." when Severus gives Harry his memories. Truly Priceless.

So.... Does anyone agree? or everyone disagrees ? Oh well, I just had to say it : RIP Severus Snape!!

Severus Snape was not underrated... his character, his story is all in all unique and special...

how many times has ne1 come across a character like snapes??? never!!

n as JKR doing justice to him is considered... i think however she made him out to b was just purrrrrfect... u just cant imagine him as some1 else or doing something else...

n i agree with laks... severus's death in all is written well... too much of heroism wud have been kekta style...

seriously u cant expect him to die sacrificing his life for harry now can u??? no i cant!! him dying alone n harry being the one to witness it is just remarkable!! written with intense thought... 👏

RIP severus snape

now where i say snapes character is justified i also say draco's isnt...
this character has just stooped lower n lower with every book...
book 1>the character was evil spoilt brat
book 7>he is merely nothing... u wudnt give him a second glance...
in the whole its not just him... its actually all three malfoys...
book1> BIG supporters of the the dark lord
book7> BIG betrayers of the same dark lord

😆now am confusing myself... just where i thought draco character was badly mutilated my brains forming words praising the malfoys... n in all praising JKR all over again... why???

come to think of it its not just snape with whose help harry won the battle... the malfoys have helped too... without narcissa declaring harry dead, harry wudnt have had a chance... thn n thr voldy wud have realised the wand didnt work n wud have cursed him again with another wand... as simple as tht... end of harry potter...

now the question is why did narcissa do tht???
so it all comes down to the one thing JKR has been saying since book 1... loves prevails evil...
book 1>lily's love for harry vanquishes voldy
book 7>narcissa's love for draco helps harry to vanquish voldy for once n for all...

draco character seems to b a coward in the end... but its actually his love for his parents...

aah looking at it this way harry potter series is all about love😳

😆

Originally posted by: alia

Severus Snape was not underrated... his character, his story is all in all unique and special...

how many times has ne1 come across a character like snapes??? never!! Loads of times, characters like Snape were extremely popular in the Victorian and Modern Period.. JKR just gave him a wizard touch. Off the top of my head, Alexei Alexandrovich Karenin from Leo Tolstoy's Anna Karenina is almost the same character.

n as JKR doing justice to him is considered... i think however she made him out to b was just purrrrrfect... u just cant imagine him as some1 else or doing something else... Once again, my point. You can manipulate every other character in this novel except his. His characters were bound by restraints the whole time, and as for imagining him to be someone else... that you can do easily. Just pretend he was...err..a woman or something. Believe me, it pulls off.

n i agree with laks... severus's death in all is written well... too much of heroism wud have been kekta style... The two ends of literary styles are not Ekta and JKR you know...

seriously u cant expect him to die sacrificing his life for harry now can u??? no i cant!! him dying alone n harry being the one to witness it is just remarkable!! written with intense thought... 👏 Of course not. That would've made me hate the book more than I do. Ron and Hermione witnessed his death too. But the worst thing is the character degradation of Snape right before his death. Just a few pages ago, his entry to the Ravenclaw common room was remarkable, and its just not realistic that he digressed like that. Intense thought? There was no thought in that part, just plain setting.

RIP severus snape

now where i say snapes character is justified i also say draco's isnt...
this character has just stooped lower n lower with every book...
book 1>the character was evil spoilt brat
book 7>he is merely nothing... u wudnt give him a second glance...
in the whole its not just him... its actually all three malfoys...
book1> BIG supporters of the the dark lord
book7> BIG betrayers of the same dark lord

😆now am confusing myself... just where i thought draco character was badly mutilated my brains forming words praising the malfoys... n in all praising JKR all over again... why???I love Draco's character, so as for him I'm going to ignore the book completely.

come to think of it its not just snape with whose help harry won the battle... the malfoys have helped too... without narcissa declaring harry dead, harry wudnt have had a chance... thn n thr voldy wud have realised the wand didnt work n wud have cursed him again with another wand... as simple as tht... end of harry potter...Of course you're right. Harry cuoldnt have won the battle. In fact, he himself did nothing. he always got help or some very conveniently timed pieces of luck, and help from friends and pulled through.

now the question is why did narcissa do tht???
so it all comes down to the one thing JKR has been saying since book 1... loves prevails evil...
book 1>lily's love for harry vanquishes voldy
book 7>narcissa's love for draco helps harry to vanquish voldy for once n for all...

draco character seems to b a coward in the end... but its actually his love for his parents...

aah looking at it this way harry potter series is all about love

Oh come on, you sound like Dumbledore. Love is worthless, Love is meaningless and love is a commitment for fools. (Okay, now thats just my opinion). But you do sound like Dumbledore =)

Originally posted by: devilangel

Hey guys,

I never visit this forum but I just found time to read DH and frankly, I am extremely dissapointed. My favorite character in the HP series have always been Draco Malfoy and Severus Snape, and i find JKR did no justice to the latter's character. Yes, she used realism to show the whole "You Betray, You Die" theme, but it was severely underrated. There was a barely a decent chapter on him, and his emotion were only shown as "tears dropping thruogh his cheeks". Honestly, after portraying him as a strong if not unemotional character for six freaking books, she suddenly shows him as a hopeless softie. It's just not done. And the only reason that Harry won the whole war was because of him, he would never have retrieved the sword etc if he didnt have Snape's help.Well,actually it was Dumbledore's plan....so even if there was no Severus Snape there wud have been another plan...I'm not telling that Snape's character isn't important or anything...Snape was a big help to Harry and Dumbledore...but that doesn't mean that Harry won the whole war because of Snape.... And what does he do? Give his son the middle name of Severus and say "he was one of the bravest people he ever knew".I agree wid lucky_lakshmi on that Well, he didnt even know him, did he? Harry also says that he, Voldemort, Snape etc were the alone ones or something, and he could understand them, but thats so not true!

Sorry guys, I realise that you all might love Harry etc, but I thought this had to be said. Severus Snape had been one of the strongest characters during the whole series, and he doesn't even get a fitting retribution for his heroic deeds. His emotions are not showed, his background is not showed, all is showed is that he and Lily never talked to each other because he called her a "mudblood" once.It wasn't just because he called Lily 'mudblood' once.Lily says that he calls everyone else who are muggle-born 'mudblood' and Snape had other friends who were evil and he was already planning to join Voldemort and become a death eater... Now that's just plain rubbish, and it is impossible that they cuoldn't have gotten a chance to get in contact.

Ok, so ... I have a lot more to vent, but I'll stop here. The only thing I can give JKR credit to in the novel is the line

"Look...at...me" and "Green eyes met black." when Severus gives Harry his memories. Truly Priceless.

Yeah,Snape dying looking at Lily's eyes(well,harry had exactly the same eyes as Lily's...) I loved taht part.

So.... Does anyone agree? or everyone disagrees ? Oh well, I just had to say it : RIP Severus Snape!!

And I agree wid lucky_lakshmi and alia at all the other points....

Originally posted by: devilangel

Originally posted by: devilangel

Originally posted by: alia

hey devilangel
..Really i think u are right abt Snape being A BIT like Alexey Karenine...only now I made the connection..well not entirely like him but bits..I like Karenine more than that bull 😆Vronsky anyway!!! 😆 😉 😉 (likewise I like Snape more than James!!! 😆 😆 😆 )though its really the genius of Tolstoy that he makes it IMPOSSIBLE for u to take sides of any of the Characters in Anna Karenina...he writes abt the trauma and the mental struggle of each character in such a heart rendering way that u cant but feel bad for that person...I am reading it now nearly finished it...Its soooo good! (though at times bit boring )It has bcum one of My favs among the best I have read though I doubt if any book can top Crime And Punishment for me personally(sry I am not comparing the two!)!!! 😆😳

But I have to say that Snape isnt entirely like Karenine...Karenine was a man who loved his wife but still convinced or at least tried to do so that he doesnt want to divorce her Only and Only bcoz he cant let a guilty wife like her attain her lover while the wronged husband like him suffers unhappiness and humiliation. he tells himself its bcoz of the fact that he cant have his public image disgraced n it wud be an ignominy n all but he is just Not capable of parting with Anna. He says he can never respect her anymore like b4 but then he says maybe after years and years their relation cud be the same! He was a tender Man in his heart... 😳 but yes it takes a great deal a courage to stand upto ur past and he does it. good man!😳(here he is much simila to Dumbledore's character. DD committed a foolish mistake. a weak man wud have broken apart but he didnt. He faced his past, decided to live for a better future. hmm..Alexei is similar to a number of HP characters it seems!)😉

Snape was a very very strong character..if not he wud have cracked up under the pressure he was in mind u....Remember one mistake from him, everything is over! which of course shows he is not at all like Anna's character...he is too strong and is very determined and strong willed. But he was human hats why I loved those parts in 'Prince's Tale' when Jo wrote abt his heart's sadness when he cries reading Lily's letter n all...So I have to say I agree with Alia more... anyways The Love in Anna Karenina is one which is real and vulnerable..The Love in Hp is a bit too PURE!😉 The difference between the Imaginative Fiction and Realistic close to Life/Human heart Fiction.

But i beg to differ with Alia on the point abt Anna---She was a bad wife, a wrong woman n stuff...But love has no explanations and no capabilities of reasoning power...It just happens and in helplessness it drives u out of ur mind...she loved Vronsky and its bcoz of her conscience that she tries to blame Karenine for everything bcoz she KNEW she had wronged her husband and desperately tries to escape the sight of him...
i wasnt able to take anyone's side though I love Levin more than anyone else!!! 😳 😳 😉 (plzzz he isnt a fool..or maybe he is...But I like him bcoz he is!😳)

@ devilangel ---Tolstoy says that he wrote Anna's character not as a woman who had committed adultry but as a woman who in her helplessness and *stupidity* if u ask me was misguied...he wanted u to see her heart's suffering and repentance(maybe not outright but deep inside)...he didnt write the book hoping the reader wud hate Anna😉

Good lord the mods will be after us talking Anna Karenina in HP!!! sorry guys!!!
Alia..We are like..Literature My first love tooo!!! 😳 😳 😳 me gonna read The Idiot Next..Love Dostoevsky the most!😳 (u know one in my class we got into a debate...Dostoevsky v/s Tolstoy-Eccentric realism v/s subtle aesthetic realism!!! it was damn funny!😉)

rEALLY yeah u guys just dont give DD due credit!!!😳😉 and its true that HP is a lot abt Love---the strength and purity of Love..Of course DD is a protagonist of the book...and always much of what he says strikes the chord....Love is life he said..Love saved the world from Voldy..Love was Harry's weapon...the favourite(of DD's) and always the best solution of all enigmas it is...