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Posted: 10 years ago
#21
So Ratan actually killed his first wife then he is a murderer,same as Akhiraj.So its a matter of fear that they have redeemed a criminal and created immense sympathy for him.So the benefit of doubt I was giving to creatives was wrong.And they can do the same with Akhiraj.A matter to worry.

Coming to the sympathy I am having for Ratan,I felt bad for Ratan not in a sense that he should get everything but if he meets Mannu then it will be a good thing.In my eyes and in both Ganga-Jagya's eyes what Ratan did was a favour.Saving Mannu was not a favour but returning him was.If Ganga allows Ratan to meet Mannu then she can return the one favour Ratan did to her and she is capable of it.We know how good as a woman she is.

Jagya is totally in favour of Mannu knowing about Ratan unlike Ganga.Doesn't Jagya know that Mannu will inquire about Ratan and will feel devastated when he will get to know Ratan is a criminal!Does that mean Jagya is not protecting Mannu,the answer is no.While Jagya wanted to protect Mannu from bigger heart break Ganga thought of saving Mannu for short term.Now if we think who is right among Jagya and Ganga then its clearly Jagya.The fact is Ganga forgave Ratan long back,she is not angry with him anymore.But she doesn't want to tell Mannu about Ratan and its wrong,there is a reason if experts says adopted children should be told the truth as soon as possible more precisely when they are kid.She would have easily and happily introduce Mannu to Ratan Singh if Mannu would have known that he is not Jagya's son.As Ratan's meeting with Mannu will disclose many other things she is trying to hide it.From a mother's point of view its absolutely fine.It is understandable but not right.

She wanted to protect Mannu but lost Mannu and the prime sufferer will be Jagya despite of being saying the right thing.Nothing is wrong if Ratan wants to meet Mannu with Ganga's permission.Now its upto Ganga to allow him and Ganga is taking Mannu to meet Ratan,am happy about that.She took time but took the right decision,kudos to her.

I don't fully believe in Karma bites.Otherwise all the bad things happened and happening with Jagya,Ganga,Anandi can also be some way connected with biting Karma,though they are positive characters.Sanchi's rape would have been also a form of Karma then.And that doesn't sound right.I know its a popular belief but its just my opinion.I rather believe all will be decided in judgement day.

And about imprisonment I said the same thing.He got probably 25 years of jail so its 12.5 years and he got out of jail.So there is no confusion how he came out of jail and living with his mother.A criminal will not come out of jail just because he is ill!He is able to leave with his mother as his punishment is over.11 years of leap in serial and 12.5 years of jail perfectly fits here.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Well Ratan did favor on himself only when returning Mannu to Jagya and Ganga He wanted to save himself from Gunjan type fate otherwise if Jagya and Ganga wanted they could get Mannu back through court and court will go in their favor not in Ratans favor as Ratan and his parents were unfit and not capable to give Mannu a good future Ratan gave Mannu to Jagya and Ganga only to save himself from Gunjan type fate otherwise why he did not see how 2.5 year old Mannu will live without his mother ?For Jagya and Ganga it was a good work done by Ratan He did something good for Mannu they appreciated it
but one good deed is not enough to wash life long sins One has to pay for his sins and Ratan is paying that What he gave around to others came back to him

Ratan never truly realized his ill deeds done to Ganga He never tried to get her forgiveness realizing his sins to her today he is asking forgiveness from Ganga but he also thinks he is not worthy of her forgiveness True ...but i found that part of his realization weird when he said He was such a fool God gave him a precious gem but he did not value it but now there is no use to regret ... i wonder how Ratan can even think he was right in marrying Ganga He thought he was only a fool who did not value this precious gem but he was wrong in marrying her in the first place Ganga was about his daughter's age She was a child


Good people too suffer but thats not karma biting them Thats God's different tests for them Prophets , saints these people too have suffered but they have passed through various tests and they passed those tests with their patience and goodness and they got rewarded in the end Their good karams paid them in good way Happiness and sorrows are part of everyone's life Good people too face difficulties but they shine bright through it and get fruit of their good works Their patience with which they passed that difficult phase they get rewarded for it with twice more happiness if not rewarded in this world then in next world Getting a place in heaven I believe all people Hindus . Muslims , Christians, Jews believe in hell and heaven concept Karma bites Ratan type sinners They have sinned people life long and they get bitten by their karma These people neither have forgiveness in this world neither in next world

To both Ratan and Bimla karma is biting today

When Ganga was weak , helpless these people were brutal to her They never showed any mercy on her They treated her inhumanly, kept her son away from her , planning to kill her , Ratan tried to kill Ganga , Ratan tried to kill Jagya, Ratan tried to kill entire BH family , Ratan laughed at his own son's sickness and enjoyed Jagya and Ganga's helplessness there For him his revenge was more important than Mannu's life In same hospital in same ICU because of Ratan Jagya and Ganga both got into life and death situation He tried to kill them , In same hospital in same ICU mannu was suffering in pain and Ratan did not care for Mannu's life He was abusing Jagya Dadisaa stopped him Ratan left saying he will not save Mannu let Mannu die . Jagya ran behind him and apologized to him on Dadisaa's behalf and begged to him to stop A well qualified well known surgeon in his own hospital begging to a goon , taking all his abuses for whom ? for his son's Mannu's life and this so called biological father of Mannu Ratan for him Mannu's life did not matter His revenge was more important for him? He ordered Jagya i can do whatever with you if anyone said a word to me i will leave and Jagya said yes you can say whatever to me no one will say a word to you but please save Mannu This man Ratan he laughed at Ganga's helplessness and ordered her to stay away from Mannu forever only then he will give his bone marrow to Mannu and give him life

Today its such a twist of fate today Ratan is weak and same woman on whom he never showed any mercy he is at her mercy for not only his life but also to meet with Mannu for one last time Today she is strong and he is weak He is lying in same hospital where because of him Jagya and Ganga were fighting with death because he tried to kill them , where Mannu was desperate for life but he was laughing around taking revenge on Jagya and ganga I believe this is called divine justice

but Ganga of course is not like him There is huge difference between him and her She is not only trying to save his life but is thinking on his pleas too She is not taking revenge from him

Ganga is mistaken in not listening to Jagya Of course Jagya is too protecting Mannu from heart break but Ganga is giving Mannu temporary happiness Jagya is talking rationally Jagya has never predicted Mannu's reaction on knowing the truth He pretty clearly said even i don't know what will be Mannu's reaction but then he is talking sensibly They cannot hide this truth from Mannu forever because there is no guarantee from outsiders they will keep quiet on it forever Its only luck from such a long time no one said a word on it to Mannu otherwise Jaitsar people know pretty well Mannu is not Jagdish Singh's blood He and Abhi are half brothers Same biological mother but not same biological father

Jagya wanted to protect Mannu from a shocker if any outsider told him that will be heart breaking for the child thats why he wanted Ganga to tell Mannu on his own and also life takes what turn no one knows Right now Ganga is caught in tight situation She is kind hearted person who will not ignore even a devil's last wish on his death but then Mannu knows nothing about Ratan if she would have listened to Jagya and told Mannu before today it would be up to Mannu to decide whether he wants to see face of Ratan Singh or not

Ganga owes an apology to Jagya on this Today because of her mistake Mannu will blame Jagya falsely

and i believe what Jagya's POV is right now to tell Mannu about Ratan Singh it would be same even if Ratan would not given his bone marrow to Mannu or given him to Jagya and Ganga because Jagya wants Mannu to know about truth He knows it won't be easy for him but then he does not want any third person tell Mannu this and shock the child it will be very heart breaking for Mannu They cannot hide it from Mannu forever so he is right Ganga is the best person to tell Mannu this Jagya has respected Ganga's feelings He knows its not easy for Ganga as well to tell him but he is there to support them They had to deal with it reality they cannot hide it forever

Ganga mistaken here She thought she can cover it up forever but no she cannot
Edited by Beautiful-Soul - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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I am not sure exactly what discussion is going on here, but I read part of memoir of a rape victim recently who was raped 20+ years back she says she could never overcome the trauma and she doesn't want to talk about it and never want to be reminded about it, she is married and has kids now but she never talks about it and she also denied giving any statement against her rapist as she doesn't want to go thru it again.. Not sure why ppl wnat Ganga to tell mannu about ratan or forgive ratan...and supporting anandi who had a luxurious life blaming all and getting the best even normal girls don't get who never have to worry about bread n butter ever in her life,, who only choose to be a victim n cry buckets Instea of doing something useful with her life?
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Posted: 10 years ago
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If Saurav was a rapist then isn't Ratan Singh also a rapist Who raped a 13 year old child ???🤔i wonder how this man and is crimes are forgivable
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Posted: 10 years ago
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I took the incident of Ratan giving Mannu back as a favour as Jagya-Ganga had zero hope and he gave them their Mannu back.If the favour word is hurtful then I can do nothing as I don't know the perfect word for that situation.Ratan favoured himself doesn't change the fact that he gave Mannu back when Jagya-Ganga lost all hope.Ratan did the right thing which benefitted all of them.There is nothing wrong if I appreciate him for doing one good thing in his whole life.There is nothing to get angry if one person think from both Ratan and Ganga's point of view as both of them are shown doing the right thing in a right way.

Jagya-Ganga-Ratan had an amicable ending.And when he came back I find nothing wrong to let Mannu meet with Ratan just the way Jagya is thinking and the way Ganga will now let Mannu meet Ratan.Ganga went to even take a huge risk by telling him about Ratan being his father.She took time but did the right thing.Jagya is in favour of telling about Ratan to Mannu and he knows telling the truth will reveal everything even then he thinks like that.Now did he forget what Ratan did to Ganga!He is not forcing Ganga but we all know what he thinks Ganga should do.Is he wrong then,he might be but not for me!

About the Karma bites and God's test!Who decides what is Karma and what is God's test!The happenings which is God's test for me will be Karma according to another person.So we can't decide what is Karma and what is not.I rather believe every incident is a test for every human being,they will react according to their nature and everything will be decided in judgement day.As I believe in heaven-hell concept so if we will get all our Karma's punishment in this world then what we will do in hell!In this world we are not going to know whetehr we failed or passed doing our Karma's.Its strictly my thinking.

Telling Mannu about Ratan and letting Mannu meet Ratan doesn't equal to forgetting how Ratan raped Ganga.Saying that I got to remember according to the serial Ganga herself said 'Main wo saab kuch bhool chuki hun' when Ratan was saying how badly he treated her and the way she said it she meant it.That of course doesn't mean Ganga will start being tensed for Ratan.But she is behaving cordially with both her abusers.Nobody forced her to forget how Ratan treated him but she herself forgotten as she is selfless good at heart character.Is she wrong then!

Just because Ganga is now behaving differently post leap we started saying that Ganga is saving Mannu from Ratan.But why we are forgetting that they showed Ganga smiling and saying I will bring Mannu to meet you.Why on earth she thought of bringing Mannu to meet Ratan then!So I will rather take it as Creatives amnesia and bringing change in Ganga's character.I saw her forgetting everything Ratan did to her the day Ratan returned Mannu back.If that scene wouldn-t be shown ny thinking would have been totally different today.

I am not going to talk about what happens in real life because how they have treated rapists and rape victims even murderer in this serial is not worth compared to real life.Lots of things that has happened in this serial doesn't happen in real life and don't even want to go there.

I will end up by saying Ganga was wrong in not telling the truth to Mannu and all this problems and tension is because Mannu doesn't know the truth.Everyone was waiting for Ganga's decision and finally she has taken the right decision and thats enough for me.

And I rest my case here as Ganga came out from the mess by herself telling the truth to Mannu,she was late but its ok.But if I see Jagya breaking down or Mannu insulting Jagya then probably again I will start blaming her for not listening to Jagya.


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Posted: 10 years ago
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i never said anyone is wrong or right in their POV Everyone has their POV If someone takes Ratan did any favor on Jagya and Ganga The way they see For me it was no favor on them He did a favor on himself to save him from Gunjan type fate Jagya and Ganga had to follow the deal for sometime but then they could get Mannu back through court if they wanted All door was open for them
Who said Jagya is wrong ? Jagya is complete right but Ganga only wanted to protect Mannu from heart break from knowing what kind of criminal his father is When Ganga said to Ratan she will bring Mannu to meet him Ratan himself asked her to keep Mannu away from his evil shadow He does not want mannu to know about him ever

Jagya knows well it is not easy for Mannu to accept this therefore he never predicted Mannus reaction He knows it won't be easy to accept for the child

Jagya understands it is not easy for Ganga either to tell all this to Mannu He understands and respects her feelings

but then what he is saying is correct They cannot hide this truth from Mannu forever Mannu will get to know about this one way or other and he does not want Mannu to get shocked and heart broken hearing it from any outsider One cannot predict what will happen the next second so it will better Ganga tells Mannu on his own They will make Mannu understand

so Jagya is 100 percent right

Ganga faulted here in not listening to Jagya She thought she can hide this from Mannu forever Mannu will never know about it and never get heart broken Ganga mistaken here

Jagya is understanding and respectful to her feelings Today he did not make decision himself about Ratan's last wish but left it on Ganga He showed faith and trust in her as a mother and doctor she will make right decision and Ganga she is ready to fulfill Ratan's last wish because she is a kind hearted person

Now she herself will tell Mannu about Ratan but unfortunately circumstances are like this it will create misunderstanding in him She should have told Mannu before She delayed it but then She did not expect things will turn like this Ratan will die

Mannu also is not told complete truth about Ratan What he knows ? i am sure if he would be told complete truth He might not be ready to do even his last rites Let mannu know complete truth he will realize himself he misunderstood his parents

Regarding Mannu blaming Jagya Ganga is to be blamed for it She should tell Mannu his father was never hiding it from him it was she who was doing that
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