Anurag Says He Stands By His Film, I Personally Think Thats Silly A

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Posted: 10 years ago
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"Waiter, 100 Crores Worth Of Bullshit, Please."

So you saw Bombay Velvet. You didn't like it. Hey, I haven't even seen it here in London, and I don't like it either.

I don't want to like it. I never want to like' an Anurag Kashyap film. It's terribly inconvenient. The guy's a f*cking menace. He's a walking Nike commercial. He just does it. He makes impossible' seem like a Rugby joke. He makes everything I want to do and achieve in movies seem like a beginning, at best.

But let's come back to Bombay Velvet. A man makes a movie. It's a lavish movie of epic proportions, an epic vision and a hyper-epic effort. It has a big budget. It has a big star. It's meant to take you on the ride of your life, entertain the pants off you, blow your socks off.

It didn't. Not for most people. So?

You crib. You appreciate some things, hate other bits, maybe tell your friends not to watch it. Fair enough. It's the name of the game- Par for the course; That's how the cookie crumbles; More clichs along those lines. Hell, you've paid 400 bucks to watch a film, you've bought the rightto love it or hate it.

But why do you want know what it cost, how much it made and how much money it lost? Is that why you watch movies? Is that why you read about movies? And is that why we make movies?

Seriously? It's only a simple question: Whom do you want us to make movies for? For your pleasure or for someone's annual report to some nameless shareholders? I would understand if you owned shares of that company. But for us regular Joes, it's about the movie? Right?

Not for you. Not anymore. You actually know the difference between nett and gross. You understand P&A and can do the math on distributor's shares. You, who don't know the paid up capital of Reliance or the PE of Infosys. Hell, you don't even know how much money your local MLA has been alloted to cheat you out of. But you know the cost and box office returns of every single movie. Even those you haven't watched!

Here is a hypothetical situation- A movie is made for ten crores. It has a (expected, projected, and anticipated) box-office potential of ten crores. Break-even. Touch and go. Then the director thinks of a new song. A gorgeous, fantastic, lovely song. It will break your heart and lift your spirit. It will be a beautiful, beautiful thing for you, the viewer.

But, there's a BIG But': It will cost a crore to shoot. The film can't afford it. Someone will lose money. The producer doesn't want it. Do you still want it in the film?

I do. I want to bloody well see that song.

Here is another hypothetical situation- A filmmaker is making a sprawling Western. There's a huge train robbery sequence. Eleven horses. And suddenly he is thinking, "Hold on. These bloody horses cost ten thousand a day. My audience is judging me on how much money my movie makes. Maybe I can live with one horse less."

Why would you want one less horse in your movie?

To paraphrase Jim Jarmusch, movies don't exist to service business. Businesses invest in movies because they see an opportunity. Potentially, a huge opportunity between business and art. Businesses roll the dice and take their chances.

But you- Since when did you become interested in whether a movie made money for someone, above and beyond what it did for you? Are you really going to gauge movies based on whether or not it recovered its investment? Who sold you this bullshit? When did you buy it? And most importantly, WHY did you buy it?

A movie is a creative decision. No one makes a movie that they don't think people want to watch. It is also a business decision. Made by extremely qualified, experienced and highly paid executives (or rich, brave producers). Their decision is independent of the filmmaker's evaluation; based on how many people they think will want to watch, and pay to watch the film. Sometimes they are right. Sometimes they are wrong, and the filmmaker is right. Sometimes they are right, and the filmmaker is wrong.

In the case of Bombay Velvet, as in the case of scores of films every year, they were both wrong.

But we keep reading about how much money Bombay Velvet has lost or will lose. Implicitly, lose for a studio. Maybe it will. Probably will.

I simply ask you... So what? Why are we inundated with articles that explain the detailed math of Bombay Velvet's financial implications, almost as if Anurag is personally answerable to someone besides his audience? Is he?

Why do none of those articles refer to the people who made the business decision? The people who actually invested the money. Why are we not evaluating THEIR choices? Why aren't we reading their names on Bollywood Hungama's charts? We don't even know their names.

As far as you are concerned, Anurag should be answerable for no more than somewhere between two and five hundred rupees. And three hours of your time.

Anurag says he stands by his film. I personally think that's silly. What does it mean? People didn't like his movie. As he himself said, it's done and it's time to move on. What's there to stand by? Emotional bloody sucker. If killing yourself for something over two years doesn't count, how much more can you stand by it?

Here's the crux. Does Fox stand by its decision to back the movie? Is anyone asking?

Chances are, they do. Chances are they had extremely well-founded reasons to back the movie, and given a similar set of circumstances, would do so again. As would a lot of studios. But no, that's not what we hear. We hear, ad nauseum, how Anurag lost Fox money.

How can Anurag be responsible for both, the creative and the business performance of his film? Is he making the movie for you or for Fox?

Dum Laga Ke Haisha is one of the most delightful movies I have seen in recent times. It recovered its investment almost as an afterthought. It did not make a hundred crores for anyone. Not even fifty. Does that make it less special? Is that consequential?

Amitabh Bachchan, Karan Johar, Ranbir Kapoor, Vikramaditya Motwane, Vikas Behl, Madhu Mantena, Danny Boyle- for f*ck's sake, these are formidable names; these are very, very astute people. Do you think they collaborate with Anurag because they think he'll make them a hundred crores?

They partner with him because he makes people feel alive. They enjoy what I can only call the Anurag experience'. I had that experience once, in the late nineties, and I still suffer from withdrawals. It's also why you, the viewers, watch his films. You want the Anurag experience'.

F*ck that hundred crores nonsense. We make movies for you. We bend forwards and backwards and at more angles than you believed existed to raise the money and find a way to make them. We would con The Business a million times over just to get that film across to you. We beg, borrow, steal. We sell our asses and lease our souls so that you can hear the tale we have to tell and hopefully enjoy it.

Don't pass judgement on what we did to make it, and how that played out. Let the business protect itself. Because The Business sure as hell isn't protecting you!

Parinda flopped. Shiva didn't make money. Andaz Apna Apna is still a box-office dud after two releases. Jaane Bhi Do Yaaron doesn't know what Gandhi's face looks like.

I'm not saying Bombay Velvet is a great movie or a future classic. Feel free to not like it. But not because of its business. Talk about its merits and faults, and not its numbers.

Hundred crores means nothing if you didn't like the movie. And you never enjoyed a movie more because it recovered its investment or hated it because the hall was empty when you watched it. At least, I hope you didn't. I hope we still watch movies and apply our own standards. I hope we haven't become a generation of what Ayn Rand calls second-handers'.

If you care so much about the money, kiss Lagaan goodbye. Because before that, Ashutosh Gowarikar had made Pehla Nasha and Baazi. Khamoshi didn't make money, so forget Hum Dil De Chuke Sanam. Dhoom and it's extraordinarily profitable sequels? Nope. Written off because of Tere Liye (yes it's a bloody movie, the first one I wrote lyrics for). No Ek Tha Tiger for you because Kabul Express made no money for no one. Crucify Badlapur on a cross called Agent Vinod. And someone please take the microphone away from Dibakar Bannerjee. We'll live without his extraordinary films- the guy has never made a hundred crores for anyone.

Like the movie or don't like the movie. Watch it or don't watch it. We're good with that. We are heartbroken sometimes, but we get it. And we actually care. Promise. But don't get caught up in the numbers game. Don't force filmmakers to get caught up in it. Ultimately, you will pay the price. You will get one less horse.

Let us make movies for you, and not for an annual report. Let filmmakers be greedy- but only greedy to entertain you, and not for nett. box office (in Rs cr).

Because when Anurag comes back and kicks three hundred crore ass, I don't want that wonderful sound to be subtitled.

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dhartiamber thumbnail
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Move on from this crap not even countless artcles can lure audience to watch bombay velvet a worldwide rejection.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: dhartiamber

Move on from this crap not even countless artcles can lure audience to watch bombay velvet a worldwide rejection.


LOL who's luring you? You couldn't even read an article of this length, let alone appreciate the movie.
Edited by fairy_queen - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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I get what he is trying to say but what is the point? I think most of us judge a film on its own merit..I don think we judge it based on how much money it made..The emphasis is rather on the BO clout or the star power of the actor/ actress in question & thats when ppl get into this whole BO & numbers debate..It has nothing to do with the merit of the film..For instance, i love WUS million times more than YJHD though the former probably earned a quarter of what YJHD earned @ the BO..And while D3 might be an ATBB, its still trashed by a lot of ppl..So i really don get the point..Cos i personally never judge the quality of a film based on how much it made..Again, it depends on your taste at the end of the day..And about whether Fox stands by the film, does it matter? They are the biggest losers anyway at the end of the day when a film they produce flops..
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Posted: 10 years ago
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people can write all the essays they want.its still a lousy film nobody wants to see.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Its amazing how everyone wants everyone and their dog to give benefit of the doubt to this film. 😆 Arre bhai...kyun? There have been better films that have flopped at the BO that deserved to do really well, some of them Kashyap's films. Why no articles for them? 🤪
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: sochona

people can write all the essays they want.its still a lousy film nobody wants to see.


yes, they only want to see masterpieces like Dhoom 3
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: fairy_queen


LOL who's luring you? You couldn't even read an article of this length, let alone appreciate the movie.

Before getting personal at me for not appreciating this velvetty crap let me remind you even anurag's critics friends called Bombay velvet pretentious without a soul film. Critics gave mixed to negative. No time for reading indian viewers taste bashing for this tasteless movie. Every offbeat movie is doing well if its well made it'd do well Kahani, queen, piku, nh10 , barfi, badlapur, devd, mardaani did well without masala. Bombay velvet wouldn't get to 40 crs lifetime with a gigantic release its not even a respectable flop like lootera and Rocket singh.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: fairy_queen


LOL who's luring you? You couldn't even read an article of this length, let alone appreciate the movie.

Before getting personal at me for not appreciating this velvetty crap let me remind you even anurag's critics friends called Bombay velvet pretentious without a soul film. Critics gave mixed to negative. No time for reading indian viewers taste bashing for this tasteless movie. Every offbeat movie is doing well if its well made it'd do well Kahani, queen, piku, nh10 , barfi, badlapur, devd, mardaani did well without masala. Bombay velvet wouldn't get to 40 crs lifetime with a gigantic release its not even a respectable flop like lootera and Rocket singh.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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meh... too late, too many excuses..i don't see the point of talking about parinda and shiva...the movie has become the biggest disaster of all time. those parinda, AAA, shiva were not biggest disasters of the year..

Whether it will become classic or not, we will know in just a few months..if someone remembers it or we will never talk about it again..
Lootera flopped, still ppl talk about it.. andaz apna apna flopped, ppl still talk about it..
it's not something that can be forced by opinions..

BTW, i watched it yesterday..and the movie is a confused mess, script gone haywire..should never allow a foreigner to edit a hindi film- lesson...RK has done his part though as always.
Edited by KhanSinghTomar - 10 years ago

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