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charminggenie

@charminggenie

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Posted: 10 years ago

#11

Originally posted by: sunshine99
No he wasn't polite. He completely forgot about the Moorty's was only focused on Nandini snd Manik. He complained like a kid about not coming for dinner if he knew Manik was invited.. Very rude coming from a teacher.Totally out of sync as a smooth operator that he was being projected earlier..His behavior was out of place.. By normal logic a teacher behaving so immaturely infront of any gaurdian/ parent would make them uncomfortable.. I can be liberal with my bros but heck if I met someone like Pandit..I would try to make enquires to be sure he is the right person to be left with him..Being endorsed by Amms doesnot give a carte blanche to the guy. If the track intends to address the issue about teachers crossing the line with students.. It should also focus on parents/ guardians being vigilant and not lax.'Cause they are the first line of defense for any kid.

For someone who doesn't want to extrapolate you do a good job projecting your emotions and perceptive on the characters😆. Moorthys' are always shown to be unassuming. Manik lands up their place at 6-7 in the morning- stranger at that point asking for Nandini because he wants to talk about class and notes. Nandini had never mentioned him ever before.But ofcourse that time we will ignore their reaction- because it's Manik, the hero.
Manik has always been shady, landing up at their place late in the night at 3 am. Chacha didn't even mind Dhruv coming up during the musicana night. So very consistent. But yes, eventually it will show how familiarity is so easily exploited when writers are still ambiguous about Pandit and his MO.

He was more in element today..How cleverly he leaves crumbs about Nandini's worrying conduct influenced by college..He not even once mentions about her the company Nandu keeps as a cause just yet..He is building up the crescendo to influence Ams the way he wants too?How could he then just screw it up at dinner with Moorty's the way he did? Just making Chacha and Chachi blind to his odd behavior with an one liner they both don't get along as teacher and student is a weak ploy.

Yesterday TK was out of line to just build the clash with Manik.. That could have been handled with more thought .. I expect the writers to set the bar higher with the subplots too and not just romance.
His first line about Manik was that he "kicked that student out". If we go by social behaviour , Moorthys' didn't even bother when Manik kept on pushing and insulting Pandit too , very veiled. Pandit as a Teacher can go judgy about the students. He didn't cross the line for social behaviour , he just asked , if he knew they were expecting someone else, he would have rescheduled. Amms has mentored this guy for years . So his familiarity with Moorthys' is more .

Being Non judgmental and liberal guardians do not mean you donot try to vet the people your child/ward is in close contact with.They can trust Nandu to be responsible and stay out at night because they know her.. But that same logic doesnot apply for TK. He might have a family reference but he is still a stranger...In Manik's case he has proved his intentions by coming to Nandini and Rishabh's aid over a period of time..

It was not about nothing happening today it was about the execution of the built up to the climax.. Pandit could have shown more tact..The Moorty's should have encircled on his odd way of behaving.
Again the very first time Manik dropped at Moorthys' , so welcoming , that they didn't bother about notes or the odd hour he showed up. Very in -character.

I am not researching on psychology just watching a TV show for entertainment. And going by what's visible Pandit's intentions with regard to Nandini are not good.. He is trying to build up a physical proximity to Nandu.. which gets obstructed by Manik.. He wants to remove the guy and have her complete attention.. Going by previous instances if he was not obstructed he would continue to take more liberties with her. a Manuik wants to expose his intentions.. Nandu is still not abe to decipher that about pandit.. So it is left to Manik to make everyone see this as he is the hero and needs to save the day.. That's my simple understanding PERIOD.When CV's would be kind enough to take me into more complex zones I would be happy to oblige.

He had Nandini for hours and a whole day alone during the merger week. She practiced with him all alone when Manik was out. This was mentioned in the episode . No extrapolation. Nandini has been alone with Pandit many times. We are all speculating how far Pandit will go, his abuse makes it very subjective- so your interpretation will always be different.
Nandini has been wary of Pandit even before Manik started- the ear viewing scene, the time he tried asking her about Manik- she shut him up. She does that all the time.
Her version of "crossing the line as a teacher" is what is exactly been shown. Anything beyond are the "What ifs" and assumptions depending on individual perspective.
Nandini right now is not trusting herself too- look at how she squirms for validation that she is right even for smallest things--like Pandit validating her musical note and pointing at Dhruv's err. That shaken up the girl is - bullying symptoms . Hence she is looking for more angles to support her version about Pandit.

Things are more simpler here..TK doesnot sound the alarm bells in her brain..If he would then she would have tried to pay heEd to Manik's words and get together with him to expose TK's creepiness.
But when has Manik mentioned "exposing" Pandit. All he goes is , he is not to be trusted. Or else why did he send her back to the class. The guy only now started looking for Pandit angle when his mother messed his head. Nandini is trusting of his version that Pandit is bad news but she is looking at it from bullying/emotional abuse angle. Both have different ways of looking at it.

This is unique shade of MaNan so no blind obedience or dominance hangover from 50 shades of grey..😆 You are right Manik shouting from the rooftop about Pandit's intentions will not get her to act unless she is convinced about it herself.. And there is where I presume the track is leading to Manik trying to make Nandini see beyond the blind spot called TK's infatuation/obsession with her..
Or making Manik realize that they both can view a conflict or a situation differently and still co-exist. No need for blind trust, faith but a mutual understanding . Sorts the "courtroom" drama. You see we all end up extrapolating it.😊
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Sorry for butting in but this was exciting.

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sunshine99

@sunshine99

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Posted: 10 years ago

#12

Originally posted by: 13thwish

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Hain! kitna lamba likhte ho bhai! I admire the dedication you guys have !😊Since Hindi soap writers always play harakiri with the characters they painstakingly create.. I have stopped justifying it for them.. When the makers are cool to make a nip n tuck to suit whichever way they want to make the track move with the characters going aisi ki tais.. Toh why should i try to justify when the let me down..I pay the to watch the show not paid to say the characters never step out of line.. If they paid me then I would do that wearing blinkers and forgetting logic.😆

Pandit is not sauve? err.. He dresses well.. had a nice entry .. matched tashan ve with Manik in the dinner duel.. He is creepy no doubt but saying he is not sauve.. is thoda zyadti on the good looking character, his styling.. He is hip hop Pandit not the dhoti kurta tika choti wala paan chewing pandit.The social sites Manik visited had people talking well about him so he does charm people going by today's epi...

See this is not a slug fest of who is a better character Manik or Nandini..I do not want to reduce it that at all. Doing that would be unfair to MaNan because they both make the scren pair MaNan click. My contention is about how Nanadini's character is made to yoyo with the trust in Manik. I still remember when he had hurt her and she was quiet even with bruising.. She had said to him then I trust you.. A simple statement even before the romance kicked she had faith in the guy.. Post that so much pani has flown down the Mumbai ka municipal tap still Nandini only trusts him to make sure they will sing together even though the odds are stacked but refuses to believe his convictions on Pandit.. I am flummoxed at this unique character googly by the CV's.. Logically either you trust or you don't, it does not come in bits n pieces.

But the question remains why should the Moorty's be naive to how Pandit behaved?I would have been happy if his behavior was questioned by the SrMoorty's and commented upon. It makes sense post an eventful dinner.

Citing an example is not personalizing a character.. It becomes a personalized when you have the compulsion to justify it alwayz.Since the show tries to dish out slice of life and picks up social issues one expects it to showcase all aspects of it...But it is a free world and everyone is entitled to what they opine unless it is rude and intruding into personal space of another.

Did you see me objecting to much about the squabble in front of the car? No.Most screen villains get regally boastful in front of their heroes when they are alone in confrontational mode...This was no different.. But he let his mask slip in the Moorty residence.. That should have been avoided.. I hate to much character flip flops be it in Nadini or TK.

As I said earlier It is about keeping it logical and raising suspicions in parents / guardians..Since the track is highlighting how teachers take advantage of students.It is about being proactive and not reactive...That is usually the message when such a cause is highlighted.I was hoping MTV would also throw light on this.

Dishank is anyways about to move on with another show so this track will end soon.. and we will get our answer very soon what Nandini's views are/were about TK..😊

But I should thank you for getting me to write such long post on telly shows.. I normally do it only for non fiction issues.

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sunshine99

@sunshine99

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Posted: 10 years ago

#13

Originally posted by: charminggenie

Sorry for butting in but this was exciting.

you are welcome to butt in. Biased views, perceived unbiased, neutral or gushing all are welcome on my post as long as the tone and words are civil..Your post too is a long one like Ms. wishes. Have to get back to work. Will respond when i get another free window to 😊do a typethon.

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13thwish

@13thwish

Dazzler

Posted: 10 years ago

#14

Originally posted by: sunshine99

1)You missed out Navya Naveli's mom who comes from the capital city of Patna and not the forests of kalahandi and still doesnot know the difference between gay and gaumata...This was an OTT depiction of a heartland mom.

2)Pandit is not sauve? err.. He dresses well.. had a nice entry .. matched tashan ve with Manik in the dinner duel.. He is creepy no doubt but saying he is not sauve.. is thoda zyadti on the good looking character, his styling.. He is hip hop Pandit not the dhoti kurta tika choti wala paan chewing pandit.The social sites Manik visited had people talking well about him so he does charm people going by today's epi...
Did you see me objecting to much about the squabble in front of the car? No.Most screen villains get regally boastful in front of their heroes when they are alone in confrontational mode...This was no different.. But he let his mask slip in the Moorty residence.. That should have been avoided.. I hate to much character flip flops be it in Nadini or TK.

3)My contention is about how Nanadini's character is made to yoyo with the trust in Manik. I still remember when he had hurt her and she was quiet even with bruising.. She had said to him then I trust you.. A simple statement even before the romance kicked she had faith in the guy.. Post that so much pani has flown down the Mumbai ka municipal tap still Nandini only trusts him to make sure they will sing together even though the odds are stacked but refuses to believe his convictions on Pandit.. I am flummoxed at this unique character googly by the CV's.. Logically either you trust or you don't, it does not come in bits n pieces.

4)But the question remains why should the Moorty's be naive to how Pandit behaved?I would have been happy if his behavior was questioned by the SrMoorty's and commented upon. It makes sense post an eventful dinner.
As I said earlier It is about keeping it logical and raising suspicions in parents / guardians..Since the track is highlighting how teachers take advantage of students.It is about being proactive and not reactive...That is usually the message when such a cause is highlighted.I was hoping MTV would also throw light on this.

5)Citing an example is not personalizing a character.. It becomes a personalized when you have the compulsion to justify it alwayz.Since the show tries to dish out slice of life and picks up social issues one expects it to showcase all aspects of it...But it is a free world and everyone is entitled to what they opine unless it is rude and intruding into personal space of another.

Dishank is anyways about to move on with another show so this track will end soon.. and we will get our answer very soon what Nandini's views are/were about TK..😊

But I should thank you for getting me to write such long post on telly shows.. I normally do it only for non fiction issues.

LOL I feel like we're going around in circles now but in the interest of completion, I feel compelled to make my case.. So in short (or atleast as brief as I can make it😛)

In order to save time, I have itemized the topics and combined related points for convenience.

1)OTT(over the top) is not the same as OOC(out of character). The former refers to almost caricaturish behavior by a character but still very much within the confines of the original character sketch while the latter refers to random actions/behavior by a character completely outside the established character sketch. Two very different concepts.

2)By suave, I meant he lacks charm of manner.. a winning/personable demeanor.. he is a forceful, egoistic personality, with a razor sharp tongue, is capable of enforcing his opinions willfully but not of smoothly cajoling/persuading a person to his side. This makes him obtuse and insensitive in social gatherings. He is simply too full of his own inflated sense of self-worth to notice.

Those glowing testimonials spoke about his talent as a musician and his skill as a teacher. No one is denying either. Does not equate to a charming disposition, does it?

Again I ask, what mask? He is behaving exactly the way he has always behaved with everyone, like an arrogant, preening peacock. Some people (eg. Murthys, Dhruv) let it go and take it at face-value because they are easy-going and non-judgmental while some people (eg. Manik, Nyo) are suspicious of it and take it with a pinch of salt because they are more worldly wise and less trusting. So ultimately it is the perception of him that changes depending on whose perspective he is viewed from, TK himself behaves exactly the same.

Also what question would you have liked Mr. Murthy to ask based on their extremely brief singular interaction.. Why are you so rude and obnoxious? Yeah, right😆

3)On the contrary, the way I see it, this track highlights Nandu's absolute trust in Manik more than ever before. Every single thing he has asked of her, she has taken him at his word. He suggested the Fusion concert as the "hope" for them to unite, she trusted and did not question it.. after the Dhruv fiasco happened and she was despondent, he told her not to give up and she even trusted that blindly believing that he will fight for them come what may, inspite of every indication to the contrary. Just look at the pride with which she told Chachi that no matter what anyone says, she and Manik would sing together? Isn't this confidence solely based on Manik's word alone without any actual proof? Then how can it be said that she doesn't trust him.

But does absolute trust mean that there is no room for difference of opinion? He told her that the Pandit is not well-intentioned and she did not disagree. In fact she listened and tried to find tangible evidence by questioning Dhruv, Manik. How can this be negated? Yes her perception and his differ on the subject of Pandit but that doesn't mean she disregards everything he says. She just doesn't overtly react like he does. Why can't she be granted the freedom to use her own brain and form her own conclusions? When Manik himself respects her perspective enough that he is not trying to enforce his own but rather is looking to convince her with concrete proof, then why can't we the audience do the same? Why is she being judged and crucified for this basic right to think for herself?

4)See now this is a completely different argument and a subjective one at that.. should the Murthys have been less naive in the interest of promoting awareness? Is it morally responsible to depict characters lacking in vigilance while showcasing a sensitive subject?

Since this is a matter of varying personal opinion I can only state my own- In general, if this were a non-fiction documentary I'd say yes. BUT in the context of this show, which is fiction at the end of the day, characterization is KEY. If they were to suddenly show the Murthys as supremely aware just to highlight how this issue must be dealt with appropriately, it would ruin the continuity of the entire storyline. Why now? Why not when Manik was bullying Nandu extensively? Where was their smartness then? You see how it disrupts the flow of the narrative. Atleast for me, it does.

That said on the flip side, what this track does highlight is how easily familiarity can be twisted and misused by those with evil intentions to prey upon the naive. Which is also an extremely valid point to make. So personally speaking, this is exactly what I expect from the writers- character consistency and a free-flowing smooth storyline above all.

5)Projecting one's own reactions onto a character actions, imagining oneself in a similar situation in order to predict how one would/should react in the given scenario is very much the definition of personalizing a character. It does not make for a good rational argument because it entails a subjective opinion NOT an objective one. Which defeats the purpose. Justifying a particular character's actions compulsively all the time is called BIAS not personalization.

I'm glad you were entertained😊

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sunshine99

@sunshine99

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Posted: 10 years ago

#15

@charmoinggennie @13th wish..

first of all 👏 for being the loyal soldiers of NDL (nandini defense league) .You guys remind me of the highly enthused loyal and entertaining group called Hindu defensive League on SM. I guess you know more about the characters and show than the entire backend team of KYY to go beyond what is displayed on the telly screen each night. I read your long takes in the little break time I got with the same caution that is marked on the vial of an FDA untested drug.. the claims made have not been proven yet.

I didnot like how a grownup adult got reduced to a teenager as he went loggerheads with the college kid Manik. So i am not going to repeat the same here with you writing an essay and me writing a counter essay..It has become boring now.. the serial has moved ahead with it's plots..time to go beyond downplaying Manik and uplifting Nandini.. Both are equals in the show to take MaNan to it's heights...

But I am Glad to see IF has remained faithfully same.. with it's groupism trying to downplay one character for the other😆. Reel characters ke liye real fan wars . Lage raho !More power to you ladies on such endeavors..Helps the show to get it's buzz.

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13thwish

@13thwish

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Posted: 10 years ago

#16

Originally posted by: sunshine99
@charmoinggennie @13th wish..
first of all 👏 for being the loyal soldiers of NDL (nandini defense league) .You guys remind me of the highly enthused loyal and entertaining group called Hindu defensive League on SM. I guess you know more about the characters and show than the entire backend team of KYY to go beyond what is displayed on the telly screen each night. I read your long takes in the little break time I got with the same caution that is marked on the vial of an FDA untested drug.. the claims made have not been proven yet.

I didnot like how a grownup adult got reduced to a teenager as he went loggerheads with the college kid Manik. So i am not going to repeat the same here with you writing an essay and me writing a counter essay..It has become boring now.. the serial has moved ahead with it's plots..time to go beyond downplaying Manik and uplifting Nandini.. Both are equals in the show to take MaNan to it's heights...

But I am Glad to see IF has remained faithfully same.. with it's groupism trying to downplay one character for the other😆. Reel characters ke liye real fan wars . Lage raho !More power to you ladies on such endeavors..Helps the show to get it's buzz.

@Sunshine: The ONLY reason I have bothered to earnestly respond to your posts till now is because I thought you were capable of objectivity. Every single argument you made (which included some personal opinions too) I have refuted with concrete counterarguments and examples FROM the show itself. Nothing I have ever said in any reply (except the last one since you specifically ASKED for my opinion) has involved my personal take.

Yet I can see that instead of sticking to the subject at hand and making it a fair and healthy discussion, you have chosen to label and judge me instead. Amazing display of maturity this, I am really impressed.👏

Downplaying Manik? Are you kidding me? Why because I didn't agree that Nandini having her own opinion on a subject is not the same as her not trusting him? WOW, internalized patriarchy truly is as glorious as they say it is😆

As for the Nandini Defense league, oh I'm very much a proud member. But unlike some, I do actually KNOW the difference between bias and personalization. Therefore if it was Manik who required defending at any point of time , you'd find me on the front-lines there too. Ultimately it is the show that has my loyalty not any one character.😛

I'm glad that you are so well-versed in the ways of IF. This is my first show and first forum you see, therefore I'm definitely more ignorant especially since I've been having nothing but a good experience so far.

But thank you for this much-needed reality check on how rational debates are dealt with here. I like to think I'm a quick learner, therefore I can safely say that I won't make this mistake ever again.😊

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