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Posted: 10 years ago
#51
Eve..i got a PERFECT song...so yes nw i can make post on ur wish n add few lines to match the song i hv chosen as title..!! plz be here as i makin post on ur req n i want u to be first to comment

PS : i should be ready for dande also na...🤣
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Posted: 10 years ago
#52

Originally posted by: RomComFan

Love your post... so on point! 👏👏

I appreciate that all the characters got a moment to shine today, if only for a while. I am really glad that Nandhu talked to Dhruv, she didn't deny her feelings for Manik or shy away from Dhruv's statement of them but at the same time she reminded him that DHRUINI have a relationship too, their friendship an he knows who she is.. he needed that reminder . In his pain Dhruv seems to be looking at everyone in reference to their relationship with Manik- Manik's ex girlfriend, the girl that's in love with Manik etc... he needs to remember that these people also have a relationship with him and that's what Nandhu did.

As for Nandhu- good on her for snapping a bit. I'm glad she told him her feelings, yes it's another burden on Manik and I am sure maybe by tomorrow even they will have found their balance again but I am glad she told him.

Manik, the poor guy is trapped, but he will take all this on as always and make the best decision for all of them... because like you said they are all important to him. They are his family and Manik Malhotra will not let any of them down.That's not how he is built. Looks like the next 4 days (in KY2 time) to the concert are going to be quite a fun ride... can't wait.


PS: Pandit..

...run fast... before Manik finds out that you're putting his moves on his girl!🤣

Thanks😳...my post doesn't seem to match the general mood in this forum today...but glad it found many takers like you!!
Thanks for saying that all of them had an opportunity to shine...as much as I am a die hard MaNan fan I love and appreciate each character in this show and all the angles and shades they bring to this saga. So believe it or not, this biggest shipper of MaNan..sometimes regrets the fact that the rest of them suffer in the shadows and don't get their due screen space or appreciation. Today...felt good!!
True that and very perceptive what you mention about Dhruv...he for now is looking at everything through Manik related prism...his lenses are tinted with anti Manik shades...so for him to connect every equation with Manik is natural...but Nandini's statements will have an impact, somewhere, something should have registered, after all these are wise words from a special friend..who does not belong to Fab 5 and for now that's an advantage!! Like her statement...if you can misread Manik...there was never any hope for me...so true!!
She snapped under the pressure...and she was justified...she was struggling against the tide and felt the futility of it...she felt she was back to square one...and she felt she was carrying the burden of a relationship all alone. Again her losing patience was not wrong but as you point out it only makes Manik's already hassled situation worse. I am still not understanding one point here...why is everyone thinking that his withdrawing from the concert is equal to his choosing Dhruv over Nandini...what in the world makes us feel that way?? Do we even for a moment think that he will leave his Nandu at the mercies of a sick psychopath...than we sorely have misunderstood him and his love. He is letting Dhruv take over because he feels it will be good for him but that does not mean that he is letting go of his girl...give him some time. He would find a way to protect his star at any cost...that's just my pov.
Sorry for the rant...from your words...I take you as a kindred soul who was ready to give them both a benefit of doubt...so just ranted. I apologize.
Oh he is more than capable of handling the situation..he is just thrown off balance by the recent events...give him a breather..and he will be back with a bang!!
LOL...love that...yup he is in deep trouble...coz Manik will be the end of him the day he realizes that Pandit has been laying his fingers on his girl...so looking forward to that doomsday!!
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Posted: 10 years ago
#53

Originally posted by: Nikki_Titli

Eve..i got a PERFECT song...so yes nw i can make post on ur wish n add few lines to match the song i hv chosen as title..!! plz be here as i makin post on ur req n i want u to be first to comment

PS : i should be ready for dande also na...🤣

Maregi...mat kar!! Please don't listen to me...I have a suicidal streak my dear!! 😆 But i promise to comment on your post and share my views...but wont be first as my off for a very late meeting...but promise to stand by you in tamatars and chappals...
P.S...beware of boycotts 😃
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Leaving Concert for Nandini is not about him not protecting her from pandit. Thats not even the question. Problem is he needs to stop enabling people . He made the concert a struggle for their relationship. He made it a challenge for her to win because that will explain to him that they indeed can sustain.. If he tells her today that all our bets are off and concert doesn't matter then he is free to do whatever he wants or whoever replaces him.
But today Nandini asked him a very valid point- what about them? Coz according to hi if they fail at this , there is no hope for them. He needed that assurance so why is he backing away.

If he listened to his buddy which everyone including Alya did , the problem is Manik has been handling things on the platter to Dhruv who wants equality. Dhruv needs challenge to feel the respect in their bond. So by not fighting for his spot , Manik is doing a disservice to both Dhruv and Nandini. He is trying to hold on to his old self, the one who feels enabling is the way to go but he is going to lose everything , if he continues to do so.

Who says Dhruv performing will mend his friendship with Manik? But for Manik ,not performing at the concert was the signal that Nandu and he cannot work in real world.

She is not asking him to be there for her security but to be there for himself . She is trying to unburden him by telling him to be selfish. Because his trying to be selfless is suffocating his best buddy and killing the love they have.

It is not as messed up as we like to see. Manik knows what he has to do and what he will do just he is not able to resign himself to accepting it. He feels choosing for himself is not right or good. But then isn;t it ironic he questioned Nandini's trust about her perception of right and good.

Like I always say they both are precursors of growth. If it was some enabling Nandini , she would have joined him in this sacrifice shit but nah , this girl punched him again verbally, throwing back his words, his conditions and showed him the holes of this so-called mess he is feeling right now.

Nandini understands his needs to be with his friends. She has listened to him cribbing about not being there for them when he was with her in his own world. She never questioned him on that. She tried going away for him and his friends- that was enabling him. But now when she is questioning him on his own point , thats pushing hi for growth. Manik needs to get rid of this chip, the mess is what he wants while in reality it's very clear. he will fight for his love but he will have to learn to stand against his own friend if need be because he cannot always be self-destructive.

It's not a Monster Manik that he is struggling with, it's his saviour complex, need to protect others to feel worthy of himself that he cannot get rid off.

He always left their love and her for others. Dhruv during musicana, his mom's manipulations which he knew were legit. He always leave when there is a conflict in their relationship, it's another thing that he never can stay away. But the point is , he is never able to accept that she is important and without her there is no him, so she should be off the block. Cabir asked him an important question once-, " Manik, if Dhruv had not moved on what would you have done with Nandini? Thats exactly where he is standing right now. He has to move past Dhruv for himself.

Nandini is his shining star because she punches the reality to him. He does his share too but he only works when she puts things on perspective, like she did during jungle time, or even when she tried walking away from him, she told him that she fears that he will leave her just like he did during musicana. And honestly he did that again during Nyo manipulations, rather than fighting their conflicts he just pushes her away. Now that she knows he cannot stay away, she is his need, peace and everything then it frustrates her to see him still struggling with it and hence destroying himself. She is his star, hence he will have to free all the shackles and move towards her to find his real self.



I will also quote BoxedIn, " Now if the bowler chooses to stop and stare at his feet in the middle of his run-up instead of delivering that ball, batsman frustrate hoga ki nai


^^^ Thats Nandini right now and the whole game is organized by the bowler that is Manik with him promising prize of their true love after this ball.


Edited by charminggenie - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: eveline

Maregi...mat kar!! Please don't listen to me...I have a suicidal streak my dear!! 😆 But i promise to comment on your post and share my views...but wont be first as my off for a very late meeting...but promise to stand by you in tamatars and chappals...

P.S...beware of boycotts 😃



made it...😃

Suljha Lenge Uljhe Rishton Ka Manja!!!


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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: eveline

Thanks😳...my post doesn't seem to match the general mood in this forum today...but glad it found many takers like you!!

Thanks for saying that all of them had an opportunity to shine...as much as I am a die hard MaNan fan I love and appreciate each character in this show and all the angles and shades they bring to this saga. So believe it or not, this biggest shipper of MaNan..sometimes regrets the fact that the rest of them suffer in the shadows and don't get their due screen space or appreciation. Today...felt good!!
True that and very perceptive what you mention about Dhruv...he for now is looking at everything through Manik related prism...his lenses are tinted with anti Manik shades...so for him to connect every equation with Manik is natural...but Nandini's statements will have an impact, somewhere, something should have registered, after all these are wise words from a special friend..who does not belong to Fab 5 and for now that's an advantage!! Like her statement...if you can misread Manik...there was never any hope for me...so true!!

She doesn't belong to Fab5... but she belongs to Manik, she more then the rest of them belongs to Manik... and that's what he was seeing. But she reminded him that though that is true, that doesn't mean that she can't be impartial and his friend too. During the expulsion fiaso she mentioned to him that he was one of her first friends... he needs to remember that- hope fully soon. Because TBH I don't know if the Fab4 can get though to him as much as Nandhu can at this point.

She snapped under the pressure...and she was justified...she was struggling against the tide and felt the futility of it...she felt she was back to square one...and she felt she was carrying the burden of a relationship all alone. Again her losing patience was not wrong but as you point out it only makes Manik's already hassled situation worse. I am still not understanding one point here...why is everyone thinking that his withdrawing from the concert is equal to his choosing Dhruv over Nandini...what in the world makes us feel that way?? Do we even for a moment think that he will leave his Nandu at the mercies of a sick psychopath...than we sorely have misunderstood him and his love. He is letting Dhruv take over because he feels it will be good for him but that does not mean that he is letting go of his girl...give him some time. He would find a way to protect his star at any cost...that's just my pov.

Sorry for the rant...from your words...I take you as a kindred soul who was ready to give them both a benefit of doubt...so just ranted. I apologize.

No worries, I understand. Everyone knows he loved her and would never allow her to suffer coz of the Pandit- they have both acknowledged the game , and even if no one knows they are plays- Manik doesn't loose... except when it comes to those he loves, when he will willingly give in. With the Pandit though? And with his Nandhu at stake? No way. But I think a lot of people are feeling for Nandhu, they want him to say 'you are at the top of my priority list' and act in a way that proves it. But Manik will never be that guy.

He has multiple priorities and all are on the same level. Okay i am wrong, one priority is a level less... himself. But he will swing things around depending on what's necessary and protect his girl no matter what without ruining things for his buddy. That's just Manik- he has finally at least silently acknowledged her importance in his life- no way will he let any harm come to her... can't wait for his plan against the Pandit... and his way of calming down his girl!😛

Not sure if that makes sense... 🤢


Oh he is more than capable of handling the situation..he is just thrown off balance by the recent events...give him a breather..and he will be back with a bang!!
LOL...love that...yup he is in deep trouble...coz Manik will be the end of him the day he realizes that Pandit has been laying his fingers on his girl...so looking forward to that doomsday!!

Nandhu's hair/face and her arms have been branded by Manik so many time... he will not be pleased to say the least when he finds out about this. He couldn't stand it when his buddy smiled at her before they got together and after all they have been though... this? He is gonna be maaad!

The Monster will be back on full force... the Pandit has no ide a who Manik is and what he is capable of... he is severely underestimating both Manik & Nandhu.. he got a sense of Manik and some idea about Nandhu today, but still he thinks of them as kids who can't do anything to him...and that's the best part. Because when they strike back, he won't know what hit him or where to run.





PS: NIKKI!!!!!🤗
Are you really posting today? Can't wait. It's time for me to make my irregularly scheduled comment on your post.. I've missed the last two so the time has come...😳
Edited by RomComFan - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: eveline

thanks 😳!! Nandini had her reasons and her outburst was justified too!! So was Manik's love for Dhruv in a way!!

Somehow I don't agree that Manik was sacrificing Nandini for Dhruv again..nope!! NO way in the world would the guy leave his girl at the Pandit's mercy. I believe that by hook or crook Manik would find his way back by Nandu's side!! He just cannot leave her..period!! All he needed was some time, to recover and gather his faculties. If we think that letting Dhruv take his place in the concert means he was giving up on Nandini...that is a misconception!!
And never apologize for sharing your thoughts and feelings with me...I am so happy and blessed that you decided to share them with me...that speaks of trust!! And I was glad to discuss this with you...Nandini is justified in her anger and frustration and disappointment...but Manik taking the most precious and cherished thing in his life for granted...that will never happen. Just give the guy a break...he is never...ever...going to leave his girl...

thank you 😃
U again helped me to understand manik pov I just hope he will not leave Nandi alone to fight with pandit creepiness as if anything will happen to nandini (as per spoiler) he will never forgive himself

So waiting for yesterday many things will be cleared
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: RomComFan



PS: NIKKI!!!!!🤗
Are you really posting today? Can't wait. It's time for me to make my irregularly scheduled comment on your post.. I've missed the last two so the time has come...😳



I just want to highlight what you said right here.. Nandini Murthy is a private property of Mr. Manik Monster Malhotra.. Ahem ahem.. let me clear my throat before I write anything.. okay.. do you remember the scene where nandu finds out about how manik left her for dhruv in that jungle..she left him and started crying.. dhruv went to comfort her and holded her..Did you see MANIK's face..like he would have shot dhruv if that was not his best friend.. He could not stand another guy touching her..his property..he goes with the attitude and snatches nandu away from dhruv's arms..anyone remmeber..

IF manik finds out that the pandit was laying fingers on his nandu..and touching her hair and hands.. pandit to gaya.. usski lash tak nahi milenge..manik uska aisa bura haal kardega.. I just cannot wait for manik to find out how pandit touched her hands and her hair which belongs to manik malhotra..
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Posted: 10 years ago
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and Eveee amazing post like always..love reading it and look forward to it every day.. agar tumhara post nahi pada mein..i feel so idk how to describe it..u so fully analyze hte episode and its always amazing reading ur works.
Manik and dhruv kya kahu...just keep watching and see what a ride they take us on.. I cannot wait to see manik fight back for his rights.. sometimes you cannot be soft hearted or selfless..you gotta be selfish and plus agar manik fight nahi kiya..us pandit to har mauka use karega to touch nandini..

I would lvoe to have a scene where manik see pandit trying to get close to nandu..awesome scnee to watch..
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: charminggenie

Leaving Concert for Nandini is not about him not protecting her from pandit. Thats not even the question. Problem is he needs to stop enabling people . He made the concert a struggle for their relationship. He made it a challenge for her to win because that will explain to him that they indeed can sustain.. If he tells her today that all our bets are off and concert doesn't matter then he is free to do whatever he wants or whoever replaces him.

But today Nandini asked him a very valid point- what about them? Coz according to hi if they fail at this , there is no hope for them. He needed that assurance so why is he backing away.

If he listened to his buddy which everyone including Alya did , the problem is Manik has been handling things on the platter to Dhruv who wants equality. Dhruv needs challenge to feel the respect in their bond. So by not fighting for his spot , Manik is doing a disservice to both Dhruv and Nandini. He is trying to hold on to his old self, the one who feels enabling is the way to go but he is going to lose everything , if he continues to do so.

Who says Dhruv performing will mend his friendship with Manik? But for Manik ,not performing at the concert was the signal that Nandu and he cannot work in real world.

She is not asking him to be there for her security but to be there for himself . She is trying to unburden him by telling him to be selfish. Because his trying to be selfless is suffocating his best buddy and killing the love they have.

It is not as messed up as we like to see. Manik knows what he has to do and what he will do just he is not able to resign himself to accepting it. He feels choosing for himself is not right or good. But then isn;t it ironic he questioned Nandini's trust about her perception of right and good.

Like I always say they both are precursors of growth. If it was some enabling Nandini , she would have joined him in this sacrifice shit but nah , this girl punched him again verbally, throwing back his words, his conditions and showed him the holes of this so-called mess he is feeling right now.

Nandini understands his needs to be with his friends. She has listened to him cribbing about not being there for them when he was with her in his own world. She never questioned him on that. She tried going away for him and his friends- that was enabling him. But now when she is questioning him on his own point , thats pushing hi for growth. Manik needs to get rid of this chip, the mess is what he wants while in reality it's very clear. he will fight for his love but he will have to learn to stand against his own friend if need be because he cannot always be self-destructive.

It's not a Monster Manik that he is struggling with, it's his saviour complex, need to protect others to feel worthy of himself that he cannot get rid off.

He always left their love and her for others. Dhruv during musicana, his mom's manipulations which he knew were legit. He always leave when there is a conflict in their relationship, it's another thing that he never can stay away. But the point is , he is never able to accept that she is important and without her there is no him, so she should be off the block. Cabir asked him an important question once-, " Manik, if Dhruv had not moved on what would you have done with Nandini? Thats exactly where he is standing right now. He has to move past Dhruv for himself.

Nandini is his shining star because she punches the reality to him. He does his share too but he only works when she puts things on perspective, like she did during jungle time, or even when she tried walking away from him, she told him that she fears that he will leave her just like he did during musicana. And honestly he did that again during Nyo manipulations, rather than fighting their conflicts he just pushes her away. Now that she knows he cannot stay away, she is his need, peace and everything then it frustrates her to see him still struggling with it and hence destroying himself. She is his star, hence he will have to free all the shackles and move towards her to find his real self.



I will also quote BoxedIn, " Now if the bowler chooses to stop and stare at his feet in the middle of his run-up instead of delivering that ball, batsman frustrate hoga ki nai


^^^ Thats Nandini right now and the whole game is organized by the bowler that is Manik with him promising prize of their true love after this ball.


Hey...thanks for your interesting response and sorry for the delay in getting to it...suffice to say your response dragged me back to this yester post...usually I don't like reopening stale posts...😊
Yes, he had stipulated the above conditions..but no one can deny that his state of mind was very different then. His level of hurt, his heights of pain were something else then!! As I perceive it his wounds very fresh then, his betrayal on the fore...but even behind this condition there lies an undercurrent...that however much she had let him down, he was still not ready to let go of her. Whatever the conditions, excuses, reasons, validation...if we look at the bottom line...it remains the same...he was not ready to let her walk away..nope. And I prefer to not take relationships at face value, as he had warned, what lies beneath is the crux of it!!
And then have move on, a lot of water under the bridge, plenty has happened...he himself clearly told her on the terrace, he is no longer angry or hurt, he is healing...and there in lies the fact that any stipulation that was placed before is null and void in the present circumstances. Situations have changed, so has his status quo...they have not talked about it as openly as desired...but he has informed her about his change of heart and feelings...and then again, its obvious to both of them and to the rest of the world too...that their relationship is not dependent on the success of a measly concert...theirs actually is not dependent on any circumstance, come whatever may now, they will be together...and I think they both are aware of this, only not acknowledging this to the other...
And about his enabling people...can't blame the guy...he has been the moving force for four individuals all his mature life...he is responsible for plenty...so his enabling people has always been a necessity more than a hobby.
And he is just backing away from participation in the concert...how in the world can that be translated as he is backing away from their precious relationship!!
About Dhruv and Him...whatever Manik has done for him so far has come under the scanner now...but lets not forget that he is solely responsible for bringing a very timid, shy and reserve or better still, a recluse out of his shell. Dhruv suffered through and is still suffering from a major identity crisis...laboring under the impression that his attacks rendered him unacceptable to all...friends or family. If not for Manik and his persistent understanding and care and TLC...where would Dhruv be right now!! We are judging Manik's actions in today's context...but we are forgetting how his actions changed the life of this one shrinking soul. Obviously he was not wrong then, again situations change...but do we expect that Manik changes his ways overnight...they have had this equation now for a decade...do we expect him to move on in 10 minutes. How in the world can he accept such a reality in one change...such a sea change in 12 hours??? Aliya can say so...coz she has been a witness to that bitterness for so long..she knows whats lying underneath...for Manik this was all a shocking surprise...has he been subjected to what Alya knows...nope!! No doubt we find her advise wise but then she knows the facts...Manik is totally in the dark...so why do we expect him to heed the advise of others when he till date knew Dhruv the best??
My basic question here...why does he need to be selfish with Dhruv?? Yes, their relationship has hit a bad patch..so?? Now lets look at things from a different pov..his and Nandini's relationship has hit several bad patches too...have we ever wanted them to be selfish?? Nope...on the contrary we love them for not giving up on each other...we love them whey they cannot walk away...they make efforts and work on their relationship..then is love all and friendship nothing?? If Manik is applauded for not giving up on love than why not for not giving up hope for his best buddy?? Why should he be selfish, why teach him a lesson...is that what you do to people you love the most...would it be acceptable if he does that to Nandini..or Nandini to him...we love her right now coz she has hope for them both...and we dissect Manik when he has hope for his friendship with Dhruv??
We need to give a guy a break...coz its just been a night since the outburst and he has no clue about the poison that has been simmering for a while in Dhruv...so how can he know what he needs to do?? Its not about he knows and is not accepting...he is the one person here who was totally in t the dark. He is a smart cookie...and the more he sees whats going on in his friends mind...the more he will get clued in..and then realize what needs to be done!! All he is thinking right now is he does not want to hurt an already hurt friend further...all he feels is Dhruv hates to be in his shadow...so this is a golden opportunity for him to shine and get confident and that thinking is not wrong!!
About Nandini her frustration, her questioning is validated and justified...but seriously the guy had a breakdown last night...he was totally in tears...he this morning is like a kid and gets lashed at again...he is at his lowest ebb...what he needed then was a clear mature discussion about their options...but then its just my pov...after all they are teenagers!!
And about his leaving in a conflict...Nandini too left him ..she had her own reasons for denial and he had his own. She left him cause she couldn't stand the pain...she believed they could not work...they were actually toxic...Saying that its only Manik that subjects Nandini to desertion does not sit right...cause we have seen their progression. Yes...he walks away but does not stay away..and she has walked away too and could not stay away either...coz they are couple.
I will just say this...the progression is clear..will Manik today leave Nandini for Dhruv...NO!! And will Nandini today give up on Manik cause she thinks they are toxic..NO!!
About Nandini showing him the mirror...Manik too brings reality home to her! He is her fighting spirit..he is her strength...they both are ying and yang. The balance that is needed in their lives. Manik always appreciates what Nandini brings..time and again he has told her what value she brings to his life...so he knows exactly what she stands for...
And as some call it a savior complex...I call it his sense of responsibility that life has embedded in him. He actually has saved his friends in several ways...so yes...he is a savior and that's not a complex!! And when he exhibits the same for Nandini...we love him to the core...but when it is directed towards others...we sense a conflict. He has watched out for dear folks all his life...and all have needed it, benefitted from it...so pray why should he feel the need to change?? YEs...now the kids are growing up...one by one...first Cabir...then Dhruv...so the day he feels there is no need to protect...he will withdraw...I trust his intelligence...and his love!!
And the bowler example...all I can say is ...if the batsman knows why the baller has stopped mid way...if the batsmen understands very clearly and intimately the problems plaguing the baller...the painful reasons why he won't continue any more...then??
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