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Posted: 10 years ago
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You know as a kid father and sons are usually a bit aloof, kids especially sons are scared of father more than a daughter can ever be. Hence whatever work they want done they go to mom and grandmom etc and these people convey the message to father. That is what happens even in 21st century too in many house holds. In 16th century I can imagine that sons and fathers had this headmaster- pupil kind of relation mostly.
That is where I liked some relation like an Akbar-Salim or Jehangir-Khurram because Akbar and Salim relation till it went from bad to worst after 1596-97 was more of close bonding that father and sons of those times never displayed. Same for a Jehangir and Khurram where a 14 year old kid went and told father he had met a girl in Meena Bazaar Mumtaz whom he liked and wanted to marry. Even after the rebellion phase if you read Jehangir letters to Akbar they look like a child complaining to his father or discussing with his father. Like when Salim wrote a letter to father that the generals do not obey him and hence he is finding it difficult to manage etc. Or when Akbar secretly visited Salim and talked to him about their differences.
But this serial has made a hara keri of this father-son relation. It looks like Salim and Akbar were born in some opposite enemy clan and Salim despised father from birth and scared of him and father also acting like some headmaster or army general rather than a father towards his kid. I mean after 20-21 its OK if you act like this the kid is grown up but at 7-8 if you become so strict so demanding the child will get mentally disturbed.
And childhood is a very important indeed most important phase of life. From birth till 16 or 18 years if you do not get that love, care and support of parents its tough especially for boy kids. They become rebellious, anti social and what not. Just read the life history of many crminals you find they had very bad childhood, majority had dysfunctional family where father or mother or both were violent or did not show love and care to kids.
Akbar's logic is he went to war field at 11 years of age and became emperor at 13 years and took care of kingdom alone from 20 years. Yes but he must not forget he had great mentors a Bairam Khan who considered him as own son(no matter latter differences), a maham anga to guide him, a mother hamida to care and love him always with him, a Ruqaiah and Salima cousins and childhood friends like adham khan for company and to play and enjoy, elder sisters like Bakshi to pamper him.
Salim if he goes off to the war field at 7-8 years whom shall he have neither a father like BK. I do not think Rahim and Man Singh ever cared or loved Salim(In real or reel life) like a BK cared for Akbar. BK did not have own kids his son was born at age 55 years so for him his son will be an Akbar only. Anyone who is parents understand very well apna khoon apna hota hai paraya paraya only. Rahim and Man Singh have their own family and kids to care for. Why would they concentrate on Salim like a BK did Akbar?
Further BK was 40 years elder to an Akbar an mature man who had seen life who knew how to handle kids about kid psychology. So although he took Akbar to war field with him as leader, it was BK who fought and managed everything. Further he was childless so he loved Akbar like an own son. Further when Akbar's parents in exile BK brought him up, took care of him like father a strong bond from childhood. But Salim has no such bonding with Rahim and Man Singh. They are like some distant relatives who stay with him. Till now its only Akbar who has been father figure and done everything to Salim. Suddenly he is sent of with all strangers to a battle field a very bad place for child actually. All that blood and gore and death will shake any child. Salim is sensitive he could not bear two desh drohi getting death sentence in court how shall he watch people dying left right center in war field.
Akbar could discuss any issue be it emotional, psychological, admin etc to BK but Salim may not be able to do that with Rahim and Man Singh as they are not close. Seconly both Rahim and Mna Singh somehow had major issues with Salim when he turned 25 and above. Now these opinion is not formed in amonth or year it takes time to hate a man so much that you want him not to be emperor and make bhagawat. I am sure from a young age only Salim and Rahim/Man Singh despised each other. So even more tough for Salim to go and tell them his personal problems. Without parents, siblings and friends or grandmom to tell or speak it will be a tough life for a sensitive kid like Salim. No wonder he has those hatred and anger in his eyes as he returns back home battle hardened. Here is a kid who has been deprived of childhood, family love and care, sibling and friend company, pushed into the most cruel world of war where even adults cannot easily handle.
Salim may look like an adult returning with all battle glories but in reality he is returning back as a 8 year old kid looking for some love and care if not from his family from his friends or anyone. That is where he falls for an anarkali or a nur jahan etc in life again and again strong woman capable of mothering him. No he was not looking for any love of a soulmate(or the physical aspect of marriage else he would marry a 35+ widow) he was looking more for a parental love through his lovers and wives and even his kids like khurram. Salim stayed as a 8 year old frustrated angry kid wanting to take revenge for depriving him of his childhood from whomever he deemed had taken it away be it his father, his fathers advisors the navrathna's. Salim never grew up he remained the child all life wanting someone to hand hold him, mother him rather parent him and wanting to enjoy childhood pleasures like painting, flowers, gardens, hunting, playing with his pets etc even after he became big and an emperor. This was basically because he was deprived of all many of these pleasures as a child.
A case of example is in his 50s Salim was going with his entourage to Lahore and in Delhi market found kids playing. Here is an anecdote by a ambassador to Mughal court on what he witnessed while travelling with emperor. Jehangir was child like by nature(this is what the ambassador states in his letters 😊) once while travelling to Lahore he saw poor children playing on streets and got down from his elephant and sat on ground with them and played their games with them and then gave them lots of gifts, sweets. He even cried saying "You all are so lucky to have this joy of playing without any worry which i cannot do because of worldly worries. I wish i was as lucky as you kids". So one can only imagine by this incident noted what Jehangir was deprived of in childhood.
So Akbar's case cannot be compared to a Salim. Akbar had faced a lot of hardship as captor with his uncles that hardened him not Salim who is brought up by parents lovingly. So both cases are vastly different.
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Charu.S thumbnail
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Very well thought out write-up @myviewprem.

You have stressed on a valid point in pointing out the differences between the childhoods of Jalal and Salim. The portrayal of the relationship between father and son, is natakiya roopantar at its worst.
The Creatives needed some method of showing a distressed relationship between Salim and Jalal. So they opted to depict a highly strict and dominating Jalal and an equally rebellious heir apparent, one wicked badi ammi who never misses an opportunity to fill the prince's mind with negative feedback about his parents, a supposedly smart and fiery mother Jodha who is torn between father and son.

In short, starting tomorrow, the audience will be subjected to more of this tension between Salim and Akbar, even after the kid returns to the mahal after several years.

-------------- tumultuous relationship between Akbar and Salim continues, with Jodha sandwiched between them.



Charu.




Edited by Charu.S - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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but ekta will make it NR again
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Posted: 10 years ago
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well said prem👍🏼👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
gerat post,.,,,
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Posted: 10 years ago
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i like your post. it's very well said.😊
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Nicely written but ye baat in wruters ko kon samjhaye ki har baar kuch na kuch galat dikhana jaruri nahi hai. Accha dikhake bhi story aage barda sakte hai.
But anyway, I am enjoying mahakumbh, now it is beciming intresting. I know ab iss show me dimag kharab kerne ke alawa or kuch nahi milega.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Great post with a fact ...
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Very nicely written... lovely post...
aur rahi baat galat facts dikhane ka toh ye log kuch bhi dikhayenge... NR ka tag jo laga diya hai iss show ke saath...
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Posted: 10 years ago
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prem, another piece of beautiful writing from you and can you please pm me your cc on siyaasat as its hard to find!
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Very nice post - In fact most of your posts on Akbar - Salim relationship in REEL and REAL were very good.
But I am more interested in REAL than in this REEL version of JA.
Salim must have been weighed down by the heavyweight achievements and absolute control Akbar had over empire, subjects, court and army. There has been resentment towards Navratnas from young age.
But he seemed to have a reasonably good relationship before he started getting impatient and yearning for the throne. Fascinating, whichever way you look at it. Akbar's is TOO TOO Big shoes to be filled in. Rather it is an impossible task.
But REEL of JA could have been better with the avoidance of SA track itself - Rather they could have followed history with Mann Bhai, Jagat , Noor etc - Noor's actual 1st Marriage and Salim having a fondness for her - Akbar rejecting that proposal - Then he really turning rebel as he is tired of waiting - This would have given a very good canvas to display the Psychological side of this battle - But we all know JA will not do anything like that - They like shock value treatment to the script - So we will go along with the script. I am happy about one thing - Akbar has been resurrected big time in JA - He is no longer the harem warden and walking around catching pallu of Jodha Begumsa. I hated him then.
Keep your posts coming in - They are great reading material.
Edited by jayaks02 - 10 years ago

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