Freedom fighter or Terrorist

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Posted: 18 years ago
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During our struggle for freedom besides peacefull movement we have some great freedom fighters who were very aggressive in terms of their actions. Long debates has been done in DM to justify their role and action against British Govt.....However if we see from British govt's perspective those freedom fighters were terrorist ... for us they are heros....

So how can we decide if some one is terrorist or a freedom fighter ..... if it is only the matter of perception from either side .

Question come up in my mind while reading comments over middle east crisis....well crisis has a long history but in modern time period started when thousands of people were expelled from their homeland with a ban to reenter by foreigners .. so if they want to do some kind of movement against it .. will it be called terrorism or freedom fight?

Here I don't want to discuss any particular sensitive issue ..just how we percieve terrorism and terrorist?

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Posted: 18 years ago
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Very interesting topic!

Way I see it, freedom fighters back then used to fight for their principles, for their people, for basic rights, and fought against tyranny, and weren't shot dead by the govt. for protesting silently. Moreover, the govt. these people were fighting wasn't their own; Britishers came, and took over their country. Would you say Bhagat Singh was a terrorist for killing the govt. officials who shot at people in JWB? A country was united under them.

Today's terrorists seem to fight for themselves, killing innocent people along with them, just to make a darn statement. They are fighting their own govt's or fighting govt that is on the other end of the world. They are taking away basic rights of people for land. Suicide bombers, who are they fighting for? Most of the time, they just commit suicide cause Allah wants so according to them, and they will find heaven in the life-after. Today's terrorists divide people. What right they are gonna get which they can not enjoy under their govt?

As long as I am making this statement, I also think, especially in India, Indian politicians and cops seem to be terrorists, too. Even the guy who starts protesting by disrupting daily life is a terrorist!!

I have ended up confusing myself; But I assure you Indian freedom fighters weren't terrorists. I doubt anybody back then thought that the fight was an act of terror. Terrorists are people of today, and they spread TERROR/FEAR in NORMAL people along with the GOVT.

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Posted: 18 years ago
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Brilliant topic 👏 ...

I think freedom fighters should be the ones that are driven to seek independence to their own land, when threatened by foreign invasion. In their plans, the focus should be on destroying the enemy himself / herself- not the innocent associated with the enemy.

Terrorism on the other hand, is mindless atrocities against innocent in order tocreate social and political unrest, just to be heard.
People like the Oklahoma bomber or VT killer- just terrorists.. Palestinians fighting in Gaza (against cops, not mall crowd as sareg mentioned later) ? I would say NOT terorists

It is difficult to assess who is fighting for rights, whereas who is fighting for a fanatic reason that has nothing to do with rising against injustice. All these terms are fluid. To make it worse, several biases and opinions are involved along with misconstrued religious / historical beliefs 😊
nice post dew.
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Terrorism is a term used to describe violence or other harmful acts committed (or threatened) against civilians by groups or persons for whatever reasons

Now Freedom Fighters target not civilians but govt officials

Bhagat Singh shot a police officer, falls under freedom fighter --> not terrorist

Afzal Guru threatened to shoot up Indian Parliament, freedom fighter in the eyes of some, treasonous acts if you look at it from the other side --> not a terrorist

9/11 bombers attacked a bldg full of civilians --> terrorism

Resistance in Gaza that shoots at policemen, army might be freedom fighters for some, treasonous for other --> not terrorist

Palestanian Suicide bomber blowing himself/herself up in the middle of a mall --> Terrorist terrorist

Sanjay Dutt caught in the racket of distributing arms to people to shoot up civilians --> Terrorist 😉
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: sareg

Terrorism is a term used to describe violence or other harmful acts committed (or threatened) against civilians by groups or persons for whatever reasons

Now Freedom Fighters target not civilians but govt officials

Bhagat Singh shot a police officer, falls under freedom fighter --> not terrorist

Afzal Guru threatened to shoot up Indian Parliament, freedom fighter in the eyes of some, treasonous acts if you look at it from the other side --> not a terrorist

9/11 bombers attacked a bldg full of civilians --> terrorism

Resistance in Gaza that shoots at policemen, army might be freedom fighters for some, treasonous for other --> not terrorist

Palestanian Suicide bomber blowing himself/herself up in the middle of a mall --> Terrorist terrorist

Sanjay Dutt caught in the racket of distributing arms to people to shoot up civilians --> Terrorist 😉



absolutely!
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: Morning_Dew

During our struggle for freedom besides peacefullnot movement we have some great freedom fighters who were very aggressive in terms of their actions. Long debates has been done in DM to justify their role and action against British Govt.....However if we see from British govt's perspective those freedom fighters were terrorist ... for us they are heros.... not true... thye didnt harm anyone without reason.. its important how the battle is fought to differentiate the two...there was guy who was willing to die than take lives....😊

So how can we decide if some one is terrorist or a freedom fighter ..... if it is only the matter of perception from either side .

Question come up in my mind while reading comments over middle east crisis....well crisis has a long history but in modern time period started when thousands of people were expelled from their homeland with a ban to reenter by foreigners .. so if they want to do some kind of movement against it .. will it be called terrorism or freedom fight? depends... on the real happening... if a common man picks up arms against aggressors thast not terrorism... if people find sophiticated RDX to blow innocent people it is...

Here I don't want to discuss any particular sensitive issue ..just how we percieve terrorism and terrorist?

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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: sareg

Terrorism is a term used to describe violence or other harmful acts committed (or threatened) against civilians by groups or persons for whatever reasons

Now Freedom Fighters target not civilians but govt officials

Bhagat Singh shot a police officer, falls under freedom fighter --> not terrorist

Afzal Guru threatened to shoot up Indian Parliament, freedom fighter in the eyes of some, treasonous acts if you look at it from the other side --> not a terrorist

9/11 bombers attacked a bldg full of civilians --> terrorism

Resistance in Gaza that shoots at policemen, army might be freedom fighters for some, treasonous for other --> not terrorist

Palestanian Suicide bomber blowing himself/herself up in the middle of a mall --> Terrorist terrorist

Sanjay Dutt caught in the racket of distributing arms to people to shoot up civilians --> Terrorist 😉



Second that. And good topic indeed Dew😊
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: sareg

Terrorism is a term used to describe violence or other harmful acts committed (or threatened) against civilians by groups or persons for whatever reasons

Now Freedom Fighters target not civilians but govt officials

Bhagat Singh shot a police officer, falls under freedom fighter --> not terrorist

Afzal Guru threatened to shoot up Indian Parliament, freedom fighter in the eyes of some, treasonous acts if you look at it from the other side --> not a terrorist

9/11 bombers attacked a bldg full of civilians --> terrorism

Resistance in Gaza that shoots at policemen, army might be freedom fighters for some, treasonous for other --> not terrorist

Palestanian Suicide bomber blowing himself/herself up in the middle of a mall --> Terrorist terrorist

Sanjay Dutt caught in the racket of distributing arms to people to shoot up civilians --> Terrorist 😉

Except for the last agree with all others.. Sanjay dutt is not a terrorist... by that logic...the whole underworld becomes terrorists....😊

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Posted: 18 years ago
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Interesting topic Dewey. There was a similar thread some time back I guess. Anyways it is always nice to get fresh views😛.

I think one country's freedom fighter is another country's terrorist. We will have gazillion reasons to brand someone a terrorist but the ones who support them would still call them freedom fighters.

Now if we compare freedom fighters like Bhagat Singh then and freedom fighters/terrorists now then the approach will clear the misconception. Bhagat Singh and the rest revolted against British when they directly harmed the people through their policy and cruelty. Bomb blasts or killings were never intended for the sake of it and everything had a purpose. That is not the case now. Most of the things are done with hatred. Hatred against anyone who is not your "brother". The approach is to harm common man, impart fear and cause unrest.

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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: qwertyesque

Except for the last agree with all others.. Sanjay dutt is not a terrorist... by that logic...the whole underworld becomes terrorists....😊

not really

Varda --> smuggler

Haji Mastan --> smuggler

Dawood --> pre ISI links --> smuggler

Dawood --> post mumbai bomb blasts --> terrorist

Sanjay Dutt was caught with Ak-47's with an intent to distribute, you dont use Ak-47 to kill a single person, you use it to shoot a group(unless you are a Dharampaji in a bollywood flick😉), that too he was caught in the middle of a communal riot season, with an intent to distribute, that is a classic terrorism defination.

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