Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000
I don't want to fall in this ANSH Vs JAGAN bash debate , not in that way . But i want to state what i saw always as a viewer .
I never saw ego in the Jagya Ganga relationship . Infact what i saw was that he was a totally burnt out man with zero ego left in him when he met her , in a state of introspection , in which there was the danger of him blaming himself and beating himself for life and not doing the introspection objectively . Ganga taught him to forgive himself , to truly let go . Priests and nuns who visit criminals in prisons often cannot achieve this task ...the guilt is so hardened and deeply embedded .
Ganga , who had suffered herself , did not judge him . She only gave him mental peace .
And this understanding or maturity of a woman can never be called as massaging an ego . The ego was not there in the first place to massage . And she was talking to him , helping him to introspect more and more objectively . Later she married him and fulfilled his life . They both became the missing parts in each other's life and gave it meaning .
Jagya's love for Mannu stems from no ego . Is that pure love there coz Ganga massages his ego ? See how far fetched it even sounds . Jagya's attachment for Mannu is a soul attachment , devoid of any womanly influence .
Neither do i believe for a moment that he made a succesful marraige with Ganga coz she massaged his ego better than Anandi or Gauri . He fell out with Anandi for different reasons , Gauri for totally different reasons . Nor do i believe Anandi crushed his ego coz she achieved without his help . Anandi needed some one's help to achieve whatever she achieved , right ? She may not have taken Jagya's help but took Jagya's family's support every inch of the way ? Gauri had to take Bhairo's help to get education though she detested that help ? Nobody can do anything in life without help . This is simply a fact , why believe in fairy tale unrealities that one makes it on his own etc etc . If one looks deeply enough , there is always someone at a crucial juncture lending support . It may be a husband , a friend , a lover , a wife , a totally unknown person . So where question of any ego comes in .
Him ultimately finding peace with Ganga is because of mental matching and moving on , not bcoz of any titillation due to ego masaaging .
Shiv cannot be compared in any way to Jagya . Neither can he be called more great for understanding his wife more bcoz of his inherent qualities . For the simple fact that Shiv never had a child marraige , never saw abuse as a way of life , never had life with abusers in BH . His life was totally different . He led a sheltered secure life where there were army men and law upholders in his family , where he was taught to oppose abuse . Jagya lived in a family that taught him , go on , abuse , so long as ur in that position and power its ok . Just see the difference . Shiv understood his wife due to a fine bringing up and Jagya finally reached that stage due to his life experience . So i don't know why there is a need to even compare , they cannot be compared in any way .
I don't believe that the capability of a woman depends on the idealism of ANY man . Why only Jagya , Anandi 's capability does not even depend on Shiv . Its her own .Who is an ideal man ? Is Shiv one ? I can point out thousands of fallacies there but this is not the debate . Is Daddu the ideal man ? Is Bhairo who did the child marraige the ideal man ? No one is . And the capability of a woman is hers alone , thats what Jagya told Ganga in his tired state of mind all along when she tried to credit him with her success .
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