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Posted: 18 years ago
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A plea bargain is an agreement in a criminal case in which a prosecutor and a defendant arrange to settle the case against the defendant. The defendant agrees to pleadguilty or no contest (and often allocute) in exchange for some agreement from the prosecutor as to the punishment. A plea bargain can also include the prosecutor agreeing to charge a lesser crime (also called reducing the charges), and dismissing some of the charges against the defendant.

What do you guys think..........are plea bargains an effective and ethical way to get defendants to admit their crimes or are they a deal with the devil?

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mittijalebi thumbnail
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Posted: 18 years ago
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aww man, and here i thought i had a fresh new topic! i guess you can close this mods. 😭
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Posted: 18 years ago
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why close it dear?
I don't favour such bargains. IMO, this is often how rich / influential people get away with crime 😳 I don't understand law much and am not sure the reason why such a provision was made, hence will not say anything with authority :)
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Posted: 18 years ago
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dont know much abt law myself..but jus a question...are these under-hand agreements or public agreements?

either way i dont support it cuz it favors the rich and allows them to use their money/influence/connections to get away with crimes. Law should be about giving everyone an equal opportunity to be trialed. wrongdoers should be punished and there shouldnt be exceptions
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Posted: 18 years ago
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great article....makes a fairly decent read too!

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/plea/etc/harva rd.html


some excerpts:

"The plea bargaining system operates by threat. The authorities who administer our non-jury and non-trial procedure tell the accused in effect: "So you want your constitutional right to jury trial? By all means, be our guest. But beware. If you claim this right and are convicted, we will punish you twice, once for the offense, and once again for having displayed the temerity to exercise your constitutional right to jury trial." Our authorities are, of course, more circumspect in their discourse. They do not need to convey this threat in the bald fashion that I have just expressed it. There is no doubt, however, that plea bargaining works precisely in this way. Whether plea bargaining takes the form of charge bargaining (a lesser offense in exchange for a guilty plea) or sentence bargaining (a reduced sanction in exchange for a guilty plea), the object is to coerce the accused to surrender his right to jury trial by threatening him with a materially greater sanction if he exercises that right."


"What is so bad about plea bargaining? Plea bargaining suppresses both the jury and the trial. There are important virtues to each. The jury disperses power away from the officers of the state. Because the sanctions applied in the criminal justice system are so ominous, the danger of abuse of state power in criminal procedure is serious. Plea bargaining achieves just what the Framers expected the jury to prevent, the aggrandizement of state power. Plea bargaining transfers the power of condemnation to a low-visibility decision maker, the prosecutor. Because negotiation replaces trial, plea bargaining substitutes an essentially concealed procedure for the salutary openness of public jury trial. The prosecutor who operates the negotiated plea system exercises awesome powers, powers that were meant to be shared with judges and jurors. As a practical matter, plea bargaining concentrates both the power to adjudicate and the power to sentence in the hands of the prosecutor."


"Plea bargaining is also wrong because it is coercive. A legal system that comes to depend upon coercing people to waive their supposed rights is by definition a failed system. The system can no longer function by adhering to its own stated principles. Plea bargaining puts the accused under ferocious pressure to bear false witness against himself."


"In the end, however, the worst aspect of plea bargaining is simply the dishonesty. Charge bargaining has made our criminal statistics into hash. The person who committed murder is pretended to have committed manslaughter; the person whose real crime was child molesting is convicted of loitering around a schoolyard."

I would love to hear what Priya has to say on this topic!!! My views are simple...i hate short cuts in life..be it any aspect of life.


Edited by Gauri_3 - 18 years ago
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Posted: 18 years ago
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TFS gauri :) I also wonder what Priy has to say 😊
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: mermaid_QT

why close it dear?
I don't favour such bargains. IMO, this is often how rich / influential people get away with crime 😳 I don't understand law much and am not sure the reason why such a provision was made, hence will not say anything with authority :)

such provisions were made simply to hasten up the process and cut down the costs. plea bargains are the in-thing now a days. in fact full fledged jury trials are on their way to becoming extinct. not only rich, people from all walks of life avail plea bargains. based on the degree of your crime, you either end up getting a larger end of the stick or the shorter. if your crime is not that henious, they (public prosecutors) still pressurize/coerce you to go for plea bargaining and you might end up receiving a milder sentence when a jury could have let you go...you never know...and they thrive on this indecisiveness of the accused. As far as crimes like murders, money laundering, corporate fraud etc are concerned, the accused usually get better than what they actually deserve!!!

well. i know from experience because on my very first day of school here, i got two tickets...one for jumping a red light and another for not yielding way to an emergency vehicle (police motorcycle in my case)!!!....😆😆 yeah...your typical Gauri impatient to reach her destination...as always😆. anyways, jokes apart.....i was asked to appear in the court which i did. the public prosecuter said that if i plead guilty on both counts, i'll have to pay only one ticket, take defensive driving, and ticket won't get on my record. well, i was really not worried about my record anyways...it has more than my fair share of speeding tickets😛😆...so i opted for a judge trial....and defended my case myself...quite an experience I tell ya😆....hahaha......but got one ticket taken off my record...the not yielding way...they made me pay for the red light one though!!! It's a long story how i convinced them blah blah blah...but i remember that my hubby wanted me to go for plea bargain as he was worried he'll end up paying for both. i did not agree with "not yielding way to emergency vehicle" ticket. that was, i think, a bonus ticket handed out to me only because i refused to suck up to the cop!!! so, mujhey toh contest karna hee thha😆. it was quite an experience though.

well, the point here is that they offer plea bargains even for mundane things like traffic tickets!!!

Edited by Gauri_3 - 18 years ago
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Posted: 18 years ago
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LOL Gauri ji !! @ ur encounters on road 😆 😆
I am all for such pleas too dear 🤣
LOL @ did not suck up to the cop 😆..

I plead guilty to the cop, especially the cute ones, and promise never never to speed EVER EVER unless my foot is for some reason on accelerator again 😛

These are ofcourse minor crimes we speak of 😳, hence its okay, as you said! TFS funny anecdote.
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: mermaid_QT

LOL Gauri ji !! @ ur encounters on road 😆 😆
I am all for such pleas too dear 🤣
LOL @ did not suck up to the cop 😆..

I plead guilty to the cop, especially the cute ones, and promise never never to speed EVER EVER unless my foot is for some reason on accelerator again 😛

These are ofcourse minor crimes we speak of 😳, hence its okay, as you said! TFS funny anecdote.

😆😆 i never massage their ego...in fact wear an attitude while talking to them....don't care for the ticket that much...most of the time, they are well deserved and well earned anyways😆still, some let me go...and i always wonder why😕😆

Edited by Gauri_3 - 18 years ago
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: Gauri_3

😆😆 i never massage their ego...in fact wear an attitude while talking to them....don't care for the ticket that much...most of the time, they are well deserved and well earned anyways😆still, some let me go...and i always wonder why😕😆

me too. i also wonder why. i mean i wouldn't ever let a girl go. what kind of a guy does that anyway?😕😉

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