Murtaza hate-athon 2.0 - Page 2

Originally posted by: The.Patthaaka.

We have been brought as sons and zero discrimination whatsoever.

Originally posted by: epiphany.

This statement you made highlights the supremacy of the male child.

I'm sorry but by saying you have been 'brought up like a son' you are suggesting that if you were 'brought up like a girl' you would not have been proud of your upbringing.

Um,no Kanks.I obviously didn't mean that and never thought it could be interpreted this way. Dunno about other families and their upbringings,but my parents DID NOT bring me up that way. They always desired daughters (which surprised a lot of the people around them-See the kind of society we live in?)

My parents didn't settle for daughters,since they didnt have sons. They always wanted daughters. Never have we felt as though they were doing us a favour by giving us our basic rights. Im sorry Kanks,but Im a bit offended by what u said there.

And really it is not your fault or mine or anybody else's. Daughters who have been loved and given freedom, both in Indian and Pakistani cultures have been brought up to think that they are getting the treatment a regular male child would have gotten and that it is, in fact, a privilege. As hateful as I find the discrimination in question, I also think it is indeed something to grieve over how the female child spends, this way or that, most of her life trying to be at par with the male one.

Again,I clearly spoke in context of what I have seen in other families and not my family. Its a fact. A male child is desired over a girl child in the sub-continent. A few exceptions where parents actually want daughters(Yes,such couples do exits. My parents are an example)Some people settle with having daughters-coz hey,its still their child and a big chunk of them are like Murtaza-they loathe the daughters. As sickening as is sounds,such people do exist and the only way the percentageof such peopel can be brought down,is by treating women as men. Yes,I know its "zyaakti",but our society cannot simply evolve overnight. Step by step. And I guess giving them an equal status is the first thing. And hopefully,there will be a day when all parents desire daughters.

Murtaza is a ridiculous man but his opinions are byproducts to his culture. We don't know whether Rafia worked before Murtaza's second marriage. But she had to work so hard because her husband's financial help to her was next to zero. Another problem with our societies is that many, many women willingly sign up for a life where they only have to go out to work if their husbands don't

a) earn enough
b) don't breathe anymore
c) have conniving second wives and OMIGOD, a son.

Kashaf herself thought that if she had to go through hardships in life, god should have made her a man. And in all fairness, the society does make it hard for a woman to live. But the point I'm trying to make is, so do women. A hell lot of women, even as respectable as Rafia do not value things like financial independence and equal rights as men until and unless they have husbands like Murtaza.

I do get ur point here,and I hated the fact that Rafia did not completely shut her doors to the man. She did stand up for her daughters,but deep down she felt a father would be required to her daughters,atleast later in lie (their marriages,for example)

Our society has a long way to go. But on a positive note,it has come a long way from where it was before.

PS Other than that, what I have to say is, OF COURSE Murtaza is a dick! 😆

He certainly is 😆

PPS Pardon my lingual profanity. 🐷

Originally posted by: -R.P-

Well,honestly I never hated any character in this show(Who cares for Nigar,she was typical as expected🤢).Yes,Murtaza was the only person responsible for the condition of Rafiya and her daughters but after watching the whole show I could not hate him because he realizes and acknowledges the good upbringing of the daughters that had led to their happy married life towards the end.
Even when his second wife use to try and instigate her against Rafiya at every step taken by her he used to listen her but pinpointed the false accusations being put on her.Means he was not a puppet at the hands of Nigaar.Yes he was dominating and considered his daughters as a burden,thats why he left them at their own mercy.This fact can't be ignored.But he did redeem to some extent till the end.
I hope I made sense.🤔

Originally posted by: -R.P-

Well,honestly I never hated any character in this show(Who cares for Nigar,she was typical as expected🤢).Yes,Murtaza was the only person responsible for the condition of Rafiya and her daughters but after watching the whole show I could not hate him because he realizes and acknowledges the good upbringing of the daughters that had led to their happy married life towards the end.
Even when his second wife use to try and instigate her against Rafiya at every step taken by her he used to listen her but pinpointed the false accusations being put on her.Means he was not a puppet at the hands of Nigaar.Yes he was dominating and considered his daughters as a burden,thats why he left them at their own mercy.This fact can't be ignored.But he did redeem to some extent till the end.
I hope I made sense.🤔

Originally posted by: epiphany.

I wasn't referring to your family specifically, and throughout the post I have used worked like 'some' and 'a lot' before 'women' and 'families', so I wasn't generalizing. True that a lot of families crave daughters. My father's PA made his wife pop out six boys because of their want to have a girl. Their seventh was a girl and so, they have, er, stopped. 😳

Whaaa? 7? Must be their lucky number 🤣 Nevertheless,that is some determination! How wonderful would it be if all couples were so determined to have a girl child 😆

Point being you get my point. Good talk! Men suck, YEAH. 👍🏼

@purple: Amen to that sister 🥱

PS That last sentence is strictly my point of view.