Raman's Love for Ishita vs. Love for Shagun

gems4sana thumbnail
13th Anniversary Thumbnail Explorer Thumbnail Fascinator 1 Thumbnail
Posted: 11 years ago
#1
I was actually rewatching all the episodes from the very first one this past weekend because after I watched the first two episodes when they had aired, I didn't really watch until the marriage ( though I did slightly keep up).
I wanted to see how far Ishita and Raman had come and how exactly did Ishita and Ruhi fall in love. And the sleepless nights that were filled with watching yhm were so worth it because even though Raman is behaving like an idiot right now - and even though they still aren't in love/nor have any realization of it, these two have come SO FAR from the beginning.

I mean, Raman was an absolutely heartless beast to Ishita and of course like any self-respecting woman Ishita wouldn't let him get away with it and would fire back. That trick with Subbu's mom, trying to get her to convince judge sahiba that Ishita was incapable of giving testimony was so dirty and so disgusting that - even though I had just watched 30 episodes of Raman's heartlessness - I still could not believe he would stoop that freaking low!

And yeah, even though I really want them to fall in love with them sooner rather than later I'm glad the writers are taking a slow and steady pace (not too slow but not too hurried either). As some other member on this forum who's name I unfortunately do not remember said, people in real life don't fall in love by simply getting stuck in the rain together or falling and holding or 5 minute long eyelocks - especially if you're past the hot-blooded and mills&boon-type romantic-notion filled age of youth. It takes longer; especially at Ishra's age (though its not like they're middle aged, they're both pretty young - late 20's/early 30's is definitely not old or middle aged in my book).

It takes moments of compassion and kindness and seeing one another help each other and their families out and basically more than just a pretty face or a rugged body to build love - yes build love.

I say 'build' rather than 'fallen' because Ishita and Raman are slowly building their love and this is what is going to make his love for Ishita and his marriage with her so much different and much steadier than his love/marriage with Shagun.

Raman literally fell in love with Shagun. I'm guessing he was around 20 or so, maybe between 20-23 when he married Shagun; very young and - as he was a kind of a nerd back in the day - too inexperienced to realize the difference between love and lust.

I don't know if you all can remember that episode that flashbacked to the first time Raman saw Shagun in real life. If you see the expression on his face, he was awestruck. And being the mumma's boy he was, he probably didn't think he needed to really converse with Shagun to see if their personalities matched; here was a drop dead pretty girl (I mean, Anita is extremely pretty it has to be said) who his parents wanted him to marry.

I can't blame him to be honest. Shagun was probably Raman's first real crush and as you all know, your first crushes are so important. Though most of our first crushes don't work out, Raman got to marry his first crush and fell in love with her for her looks rather than her actual self. And to just look at the word "crush", I mean yeah my crushes now don't really matter to me as much but I still remember my first crush and I'm pretty sure most of you do too. Because when that potential love story doesn't work out for us - like it happens 99% of the time - you face your first heartbreak, your first literal heartcrush. It takes you longer to recover from your first crush than any other future crushes.

So back to Raman falling in love with Shagun - he literally fell face down off a cliff into a ditch with his supposed love for her, the first woman outside of his family's circle that he knew personally; the most beautiful woman he'd ever seen; and the only woman who'd had a relationship with him - him! - Raman Bhalla, nerd extraordinaire!.

His fall into love blinded him from Shagun's faults and made him see only whatever goodness she had in her. It even made him talk back incredibly rudely to Mr Bhalla (note: Standing up for your wife to your family is important and honorable, but you need to do it tactfully and appropriately. In that instance, Shagun was in the wrong so Raman shouldn't have coddled her like a toddler).

So when Shagun deceived him, Raman was heartbroken because he not only lost his first crush, but also his first relationship; both of which, when broken off, are usually the most painful because thats the first time you experience heartache in regards to romantic love. Because he had literally fallen in love with her, he needed time and effort to climb back out of that ravine, back to sanity and away from the intoxicating mix of lust/first love.

And in Raman's case, he didn't want to accept any help from his family or close ones; its like refusing to grasp on to a rope or using a rescue helicopter if you've fallen in a hole/off a cliff and stubbornly saying that you'd get out yourself without any assistance at all. And as I've noticed, the quicker you fall in 'love' (which is usually what you think is 'love' but is just attraction/lust), the harder it is to get out of the heartbreak you'll be left in when it's finished. Raman, who had fallen in love with Shagun the moment he first glimpsed her, took a long time to atleast climb out of his love with Shagun - he was still struggling to hold onto the precipice of the cliff even after he married Ishita. Right now, he's probably just hoisted himself off the edge of the cliff.

In regards to Raman and Ishita, their eventual love will be built together like a brick house. There was no falling in love here; neither of them were attracted to each other like that nor were they emotionally in any position to do so. But perhaps due to their initial unattraction (which is slowly changing, as we can see!!), they were forced to converse with one another and gauge one another's personalities. First they had to build a mutual trust and respect for one another, which slowly evolved into a tentative friendship.

When Raman sees Ishita taking care of his family, his daughter, as if they were her own by blood, that makes him respect her more. When Ishita sees Raman's camaraderie and respect/compassion towards her own family, she appreciates Raman more. These values are golden and just as heavy, so as to form a solid foundation for their relationship. Slowly, these bricks will build up from dosti to pyaar and whatever tsunami comes their way, it'll be hard to break down a wall of solid brick; its far more easier to flood a ravine or a hole than to break down a rock solid construction, if you get what I'm aiming at.

Anyways, Raman will slowly realize as well that what he said to Shagun the night before his engagement to Ishita was a farce and a lie. He will realize his 'love' for Shagun was pretty superficial; he'd lost his footing on the mountain and fell down through the ravine, not knowing what hit him when he saw and loved Shagun.

But with Ishita, he'll see that his love is stronger and more masboot because it took effort and time to build and coax. And because this second love is based on more tangible values (oxymoron, I know) than just a pretty face, it'll be the truer and purer of his "loves".

And of course, this will take time. You don't go from pure nafrat to giddy love in a matter of days or weeks or even a couple of months. It takes a few more months, more time. I'm pleasantly surprised that a tv serial is taking this slowly and realistically like this; I'm even more surprised that this is being showcased in an Ekta serial! It may seem like a long time for us, but as they say, sabr ka phal sabse meetha hai.

Note: And as much as I personally don't like the idea of falling blindly into love, I hope Raman falls in love with Ishita because I just want to see Mr CEO Raavan Kumar the egotist on his knees for the independent Madrasan/Jhansi ki Rani that he so insulted just a few months ago. HA!
Edited by gems4emma - 11 years ago

Created

Last reply

Replies

22

Views

17.3k

Users

16

Likes

115

Frequent Posters

-AditiS thumbnail
12th Anniversary Thumbnail Voyager Thumbnail
Posted: 11 years ago
#2
Great post.
Building the love as against falling in love! Very well written 👏
Edited by Ad_Mumbai_Girl - 11 years ago
felciya thumbnail
11th Anniversary Thumbnail Navigator Thumbnail
Posted: 11 years ago
#3
Good Post with valuable points. You gave a full summary of yhm. I love the way cv's building up the love story subtly n slowly in a mature way.
Angel13 thumbnail
13th Anniversary Thumbnail Sparkler Thumbnail + 7
Posted: 11 years ago
#4
nice post but just don't like this raman-Shagun getting all touchy touchy
hope this track doesn't stretch it either
Edited by Angel13 - 11 years ago
WittyFlair thumbnail
10th Anniversary Thumbnail Visit Streak 90 Thumbnail + 2
Posted: 11 years ago
#5
So well written that I felt to make a post :)
The gradual buildup of their relationship is also what I like about this show, so when both Raman and Ishita hinted at each other if they love each other, I got a bit worried. They've known each other for about 6 months, and their relationship has evolved then, but I felt their dosti stage just started 2-3 months ago or so..so I don't want them to suddenly go to the next step so soon.
gems4sana thumbnail
13th Anniversary Thumbnail Explorer Thumbnail Fascinator 1 Thumbnail
Posted: 11 years ago
#6

Originally posted by: Angel13

nice post but just don't like this raman-Shagun getting all touchy touchy
hope this track doesn't stretch it either


Same; I hope Raman won't slip and fall with Shagun again - and I believe he won't in terms of romantic feelings. I also really do think he's 99.5% over Shagun, especially considering the development of the last two months.

Ishita and Raman started to respect each other - atleast in terms of living in the same household and being Ruhi's parents; a respect which begrudgingly started after Ruhi's paternity track and the whole Ishita being drunk episode. I've noticed that since they started their mutual respect - which evolved to trust after Ishita saved Raman from the land deal and Raman standing up for Ishita after Parmeet - that Raman hasn't been brooding about Shagun almost at all.

And the salsa scene for me showed that unlike the Holi dance, Raman didn't dance with Ishita to make Shagun jealous, but also to reassure Ishita in some weird way that he's with her and her alone now and to subtly tell Shagun to stop interfering/move on with her life.
gems4sana thumbnail
13th Anniversary Thumbnail Explorer Thumbnail Fascinator 1 Thumbnail
Posted: 11 years ago
#7

Originally posted by: prosevelvet

So well written that I felt to make a post :)

The gradual buildup of their relationship is also what I like about this show, so when both Raman and Ishita hinted at each other if they love each other, I got a bit worried. They've known each other for about 6 months, and their relationship has evolved then, but I felt their dosti stage just started 2-3 months ago or so..so I don't want them to suddenly go to the next step so soon.


Awww <3 thank you dear.

Yeah, those two dialogues were so unexpected that I didn't know whether to squeal in excitement that maybe this ehsaas is finally evolving into something real or whether to be a little disappointed that they're already talking about love when they themselves haven't ehsaas-ed their ehsaas, so to speak.

I absolutely adore their dosti. I think its also because its so unusual; Usually lead pairs follow these romantic tracks:
  1. hate ---> confusion ----> love
  2. friendship/acquaintances -----> love
  3. indifference/arranged or convenient marriages -----> love
But thats not how it goes in real life, right? And also its pretty refreshing because the only serials that show the number 2) kind of love focus on younger or college going couples. Here is a complete family; mother, father, daughter, and the parents are actually becoming friends before feeling love.

And dosti is so important to any romantic relationship. Raman was never friends with Shagun, which is probably why they could never connect on anything beyond a superficial level, which inevitably led Shagun to get discontent and stray. Dosti/companionship is such an important important valuable part of marriage but it always gets sidetracked by romance and lust on tv/movies which is unfair because that dosti is what keeps the marriage moving through hard times and old age.

And as SRK said, "Pyar dosti hai , agar woh meri sab se achchi dost nahin ban sakti to main us se pyaar kar hi nahi sakta."
Vedika211 thumbnail
17th Anniversary Thumbnail Dazzler Thumbnail
Posted: 11 years ago
#8
Hi. Your post is great. And I agree with all of it. I don't think Raman has consciously thought about love - just accepted that whatever he had with Shagun was it. It is only when he understands what he has with Ishita that he will understand that a relationship between husband nd wife can be so much more than what he had with Shagun.
Just one correction though. To the best of my knowledge, Raman did not send Subbu's mom to the judge. She went on her own. Raman is disgusted when Ishita accuses him of it and says that not everyone thinks like her.
Ridhi. thumbnail
15th Anniversary Thumbnail Dazzler Thumbnail + 4
Posted: 11 years ago
#9

Originally posted by: Vedika211

Hi. Your post is great. And I agree with all of it. I don't think Raman has consciously thought about love - just accepted that whatever he had with Shagun was it. It is only when he understands what he has with Ishita that he will understand that a relationship between husband nd wife can be so much more than what he had with Shagun.

Just one correction though. To the best of my knowledge, Raman did not send Subbu's mom to the judge. She went on her own. Raman is disgusted when Ishita accuses him of it and says that not everyone thinks like her.


Nope he was the one who provoked and encouraged her.She clearly came into the ramans office to discuss the issue.
Vedika211 thumbnail
17th Anniversary Thumbnail Dazzler Thumbnail
Posted: 11 years ago
#10

Originally posted by: Ridhi.


Nope he was the one who provoked and encouraged her.She clearly came into the ramans office to discuss the issue.

Achcha I didn't know that. Thanks for telling me. 😊

Related Topics

Top

Stay Connected with IndiaForums!

Be the first to know about the latest news, updates, and exclusive content.

Add to Home Screen!

Install this web app on your iPhone for the best experience. It's easy, just tap and then "Add to Home Screen".