A few observations on the MA blast (April 29-30)

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Posted: 11 years ago
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[Either we really are in an exciting period, or our expectations have been dulled so much that screaming from Jalal, Jodha, or Maham seems exciting. At least, borrowing from Chisti Saheb, "Waqt badal raha hai." Much eloquent and insightful analysis has already been posted here, so I'll only offer the following few observations: ]

1. Jodha still does not recognize the contribution she and SM made to the MU. She also has no appreciation of what she put Jalal through, as she accuses him of having acted "bina soche samjhe".

2. Both guroor and fear are driving Jodha. There has been some debate in the forum if she was being driven by guroor or fear. Well, in recent dialogs, she has resolved the matter for us: it's both! She said, "If I had returned to Agra with him, that would have diminished by gaurav [=shaan]". She also said that she is afraid of having to face similar treatment in future.

3. HB is a great MIL, cold mother, and truly lousy investigator. She alerted Maham to her suspicion, leaving ample opportunity for the cave to be sanitized and evidence disappeared. Unbelievable. What you really want in such a situation is a crack unit of soldiers who surround the place without notice and make sure that everything and everyone is secured and looked into. She should have consulted Atga and waited for Jalal.

4. Shehnaz's mystery remains, but a few possibilities eliminated. All of us have been wondering about the mystery of Shehnaz ever since the ashram in Mathura . By now she has met Jalal, observed his personal valor up close, learnt that he is the Shehenshah of the Mughal Empire, and yet her behavior has remained quite normal. This seems to eliminate a few possibilities that were doing rounds. We can reasonably guess that she does not have a past complication with Jalal or a grudge against the Mughal Empire.

5. Finally, my big point. I was greatly disappointed with Jalal in his interrogation of MA.

I may be going against this forum's mood, but yes it is true that I was greatly disappointed with Jalal in his interrogation of MA.

He started out on a very good note by announcing that they were there as Shehenshah and Wazir-e-Aliya, and not as a son and Badi Ammi. (Of course, otherwise why meet in DEK; he could have just gone to her room and put his head on her shoulders!)

However, MA's outburst succeeded in hijacking and redefining the narrative. By the end of it, Jalal was only talking about the relationship as mother and son. He was moping around about his taqdeer, how he has lost a mother, how she has lost a son, etc. He regained Emeperor like mood only when SB reminded him to act how Jodha Begum would have wanted him to act.

Incredibly, he failed to follow up on MA's statement that she had hatched other conspiracies before this one. Even the most clueless investigator would have been shocked out of his seat and insisted on knowing about those other conspiracies, details like what was involved and who was involved. He ignored all that to focus on the dissolution of the mother-son trust and relationship. (Could it be that there are only a few good writers available and this time they were tasked to work on MA?)

Equally unbelievable, she "lost her son" but can keep her power. Obviously, a Wazir needn't be someone trustworthy and reliable?! What harsher punishment could possibly await a traitor than not being addressed as "Badi Ammi"? :) This tells us that he saw and felt the betrayal in only personal terms, "how could my Badi Ammi do this to me and Jodha Begum?" The fact that a court official had deceived the Shehenshah, forced others in the kingdom to deceive him, and lied to him just moments ago carried no weight.

Recall that Jalal had just threatened the poor spy with instant death if he even tried to shade the truth. On the other hand, MA had actually lied outright. Jalal should have recognized that at the very least she was no longer trustworthy as Wazir.

So a big time failure for Shehenshah.


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Posted: 11 years ago
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Agree with all the points... And I was also disappointing in the interrogation of MA by Jalal...

BTW, Nice Post!!!👍🏼
Edited by AkDha_Fan - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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today jalal will take away her powers
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Good points 👍🏼
I think now when he takes action against MA as a Shehensha he will strip her powers for the very reason u stated he shud have!! I dont think there will b any more conspiracies opening before he takes her position away!!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: AKT.JA

[Either we really are in an exciting period, or our expectations have been dulled so much that and screaming from Jalal, Jodha, or Maham seems exciting, but at least, borrowing from Chisti Saheb, "Waqt badal raha hai." Much eloquent and insightful analysis has already been posted here, so I'll only offer the following few observations: ]

1. Jodha still does not recognize the contribution she and SM made to the MU. She also has no appreciation of what she put Jalal through, as she accuses him of having acted "bina soche samjhe".

I think Jodha should say sorry to Jalal later when they both talk about this openly. Jalal was put through this hell due to large contribution of MA. He was not doubting Jodha but MA put all the gair mard thoughts in his head. Jodha even learnt Jalal knew of her meetings with Suj on the night of the rage. She was so stunned that after that she has not thought clearly as yet.

Clearly she is to stay in Amer till Jalal MA confrontation takes place cos otherwise he would go soft on MA! Jodha not being with him is giving him some strength to stand up to MA's emotional blackmail


2. Both guroor and fear are driving Jodha. There has been some debate in the forum if she was being driven by guroor or fear. Well, in recent dialogs, she has resolved the matter for us: it's both! She said, "If I had returned to Agra with him, that would have diminished by gaurav [=shaan]". She also said that she is afraid of having to face similar treatment in future.

I think it is fear but she has been fearless always so does not want to admit it, she admitted it to Shehnaz only not even to her MV! Jodha and Jalal should have had a real long talk but then in serials it is not allowed to have clear communication! Jalal should have told Jodha what all he feared and Jodha should have said sorry for hurting him.


3. HB is a great MIL, cold mother, and truly lousy investigator. She alerted Maham to her suspicion, leaving ample opportunity for the cave to be sanitized and evidence disappeared. Unbelievable. What you really want in such a situation is a crack unit of soldiers who surround the place without notice and make sure that everything and everyone is secured and looked into. She should have consulted Atga and waited for Jalal.

Yes this is logical! Atleast she saw the place so now later if MA has not removed whoever inside (likely to be Shivani mostly) will be found!

4. Shehnaz's mystery remains, but a few possibilities eliminated. All of us have been wondering about the mystery of Shehnaz ever since the ashram in Mathura . By now she has met Jalal, observed his personal valor up close, learnt that he is the Shehenshah of the Mughal Empire, and yet her behavior has remained quite normal. This seems to eliminate a few possibilities that were doing rounds. We can reasonably guess that she does not have a past complication with Jalal or a grudge against the Mughal Empire.

5. Finally, my big point. I was greatly disappointed with Jalal in his interrogation of MA.

I may be going against this forum's mood, but yes it is true that I was greatly disappointed with Jalal in his interrogation of MA.

He started out on a very good note by announcing that they were there as Shehenshah and Wazir-e-Aliya, and not as a son and Badi Ammi. (Of course, otherwise why meet in DEK; he could have just gone to her room and put his head on her shoulders!)

However, MA's outburst succeeded in hijacking and redefining the narrative. By the end of it, Jalal was only talking about the relationship as mother and son. He was moping around about his taqdeer, how he has lost a mother, how she has lost a son, etc. He regained Emeperor like mood only when SB reminded him to act how Jodha Begum would have wanted him to act.

Incredibly, he failed to follow up on MA's statement that she had hatched other conspiracies before this one. Even the most clueless investigator would have been shocked out of his seat and insisted on knowing about those other conspiracies, details like what was involved and who was involved. He ignored all that to focus on the dissolution of the mother-son trust and relationship. (Could it be that there are only a few good writers available and this time they were tasked to work on MA?)

Equally incredibly, his reaction was that she will lose her son but could keep her post. Obviously, a Wazir needn't be someone trustworthy and reliable?! What harsher punishment could possibly await a traitor than refusing to address her as "Badi Ammi"? :) This tells us that he saw and felt the betrayal in only personal terms, "how could my Badi Ammi do this to me and Jodha Begum?" The fact that a court appointee had deceived the Shehenshah, and also forced others in the kingdom to deceive him, and lied to him just moments ago carried no weight.

Recall that Jalal had just threatened the poor spy with instant death if he even tried to shade the truth. On the other hand, MA had actually lied outright. Jalal should have recognized that at the very least she was no longer trustworthy as Wazir.

So a big time failure for Shehenshah.




Yes MA lied outright and Jalal let her! He did not accuse her of lying cos he proved she was lying so this admission was imp. She was screaming and I liked RT far better yesterday.
Jalal should have asked MA especially when she was in admit all by sob story about mother d-in-law and would have told him some truths. But then how will we get to see each track unravel for MA's part in it in great detail! More fun this way!


Just hope Jodha gets back to Agra soon, can't bear to see Jalal like this in pain and Agra is such a creepy eerie place without Jodha in it!

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Posted: 11 years ago
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gr8 thread and fine obs, AKT! 👏
Jalal can't Q MA 2 much cos his own mother HB keeps reminding him of doddh ka karz. He can't even punish her for this reason 😆
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Enjoyed reading ur post and totally agree on third point.
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AKT, Such worthy points!
HB definitely disappointed me big time. She did absolutely no follow-up. If anything, she has actually messed it up completely.
She comes across as too scared a woman. Was she scared that if Maham indeed comes out clean, she'll have to bear the wrath of Jalal and his badi ammi?👎🏼.. She is Mariam Makhani for gods sake😵
Anyhow, for all we know, MA has made no changes to the original setup in that jungle jhopadi, assuming that this woman will make no further investigation. Off course her assumption is based on her past experience.🤢
Ruq was consistent with silly and petty behaviour.
Jo was consistent, in not budging from her stand... but she missed Jalal enough to wake up at midnight. A little more focus on her train of thoughtswould help...her caressing the 'Hara rumaal' of Jalal, her having some happy flashbacks of Jalal... why not miss his banter when he last stayed with her during Sukanya's wedding?
MA did not impress me with her acting. But thats not new. I do not appreciate her loud mostly over the top acting.
BTW, I enjoyed your post and agree with all your points.👏
Edited by minnie2308 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: AkDha_Fan

Agree with all the points... And I was also disappointing in the interrogation of MA by Jalal... BTW, Nice Post!!!👍🏼




Thank you!
Edited by AKT.JA - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: rima4ever

today jalal will take away her powers


Yes I was thinking about it. I was puzzled why he announced after the interrogation that she can keep her post and status. However, while CVs didn't bring out very clearly, it could be that Jalal wanted to follow established procedures and go through a proper muqadma. If so, nothing wrong with that.

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