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Posted: 11 years ago
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One of the issues that truly bothers me in Pavitra Rishta is Ekta Kapoor's subtle attempt to glamorize poverty. The Deshmukh's are an extremely wealthy family and rather than improve the lives of the people in the chawl by increasing their accesibility to water, the writers of the show create a mockery of the hardships of people who have to stand in line in the heat to get water. Collecting water is a huge hardship for people in India, particularly women. When Savita stands there joking to her DIL of the fun she has in getting water saddens me. If this is so much fun, why is Ekta Kapoor herself not supplying her own house with water in this manner or standing in line herself?

She sits in air conditioning rooms but thinks it is selfish or wrong for the DIL to wish to have air conditioning and what bewilders me is the entire family doesn't think that it is a necessity to have.

The family is wealthy and have lived in Canada but in order to show they are humble or good people, Ekta Kapoor insists they live their life of poverty...is she saying that with wealth and the ability to have running water and air conditioning suggest a loss in character? I hope not.

A good human being is one who wants the betterment of those a round them and leaving in hardship and glamorizing it, shows only one thing - your lack of understadning of those who do not have and your unwillingness to want better in their lives.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I agree completely, and also ArMan think Canadian culture isnt good which is not right. I dont blame Nina and Gaurav for not liking the chawl, they are used to the lifestyle back in Canada, I understand that the older generation likes the chawl because its where they were born and raised but they shud also be considering everyone else, Manav actually wanted to improve the chawl people's lives by getting them new flats as a part of of his business project, before the 1st 18 yr leap but Archana didnt let him and encouraged poverty and made it sound like those who want to work to earn money are selfish people. Nina and Gaurav arent wrong to wish for luxuries like air-conditioning, phone charger outlets, etc.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: bhallarox

I agree completely, and also ArMan think Canadian culture isnt good which is not right. I dont blame Nina and Gaurav for not liking the chawl, they are used to the lifestyle back in Canada, I understand that the older generation likes the chawl because its where they were born and raised but they shud also be considering everyone else, Manav actually wanted to improve the chawl people's lives by getting them new flats as a part of of his business project, before the 1st 18 yr leap but Archana didnt let him and encouraged poverty and made it sound like those who want to work to earn money are selfish people. Nina and Gaurav arent wrong to wish for luxuries like air-conditioning, phone charger outlets, etc.


Thank you; so few members of this forum agree with me. Frankly speaking I too would not wish to live in a chawl. I am not used to the way of life in India and I would not be rude to my guests but if I am not comfortable, I will be glad to spend the money to help me (and them) have some comforts while I am there. I know we do not have the same immue system and not once do we see them struggle with the new food, diet, water, climate? I mean they've been leaving in Canada for 20 years and they are not bothered by the heat.

I agree; the idea that Canadian culture is bad bothers me a lot - it's assuming we are all less than because we live in the west. It's as if we have lost all our values...yes, life is more isolating in the west - that I agree - but for goodness sake, they all live together in ONE big house - that must be SOME house in Canada.

Yes, I remember the storyline where Manav wanted to improve the chawl and Archana disapproved but I thought it was because they chawl members were going to lose their rights but the more I think about it, was that really going to happen? That I do not know.

I agree...making Nina and Gurav look bad for wanting things that I would want too is WRONG and this is a poor attempt that making them look bad. A very poor effort on the writers part.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I'm from Canada and the culture here is really not as isolating and depressing as they make it seem in the show...we have great communities here as well 😆
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Zeeliciousxo

I'm from Canada and the culture here is really not as isolating and depressing as they make it seem in the show...we have great communities here as well 😆


I agree; and thank you for speaking up! It is disappointing that Ekta's team don't wish to know this reality.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Laila2009


I agree; and thank you for speaking up! It is disappointing that Ekta's team don't wish to know this reality.


I think they just paint society and characters in a very stereotypical manner - they do not bother to show reality as it is, they would much rather make their work easy by writing in abidance to stereotypes. 😡
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Posted: 11 years ago
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they showed manav and archana are very humble and down earth people...but that people after getting money still not improved the life of chawal ...what they can easily if they want...
still chawal people having water issue but manav and archana can not use their money to dig a well or bore well... they r not intreast to put separate water pipe line to each and every one house...

but they loved chawal people😉...in my pov its not downearth or simple ...its selfishness
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Good topic Laila. It's kind of an interesting dichotomy. First of all, on one hand i agree with you. Romanticizing poverty (and i think it's romanticizing more than glamorizing) is disingenuous at best. And to come to India after 20 years in Canada and not get sick drinking the hand drawn water is ludicrous. They should at least show them all with a bottle of Evian 😆 !!

But, wait. This is a silly tv show. Everything that Ekta does is exaggeration but not ever very realistic. Whether she intends it or not, in some ways her shows are satirical. She takes relationships, marriage, rape and abuse, money, power & prestige to extreme and ridiculous ends - total exaggerations.

We get frustrated, but Ekta know that everyone watches these shows for romance of some kind. It's the love story that hooks us, and she's a genius at jodis. So...she can do whatever else seems to fit her fancy.

And to be honest, there IS unfortunately some truth, that materialism is seductive and does many times...certainly not always..obscure deeper values and family relationships. It's not a given, and doesn't have to occur, but sadly it does.

I can live with the romanticism of chawl life...i understand her point, and even a creative point and find it a cute part of the story because, while not realistic, it's harmless.. What bothers me more Laila, is the dichotomy between a patriarchal society and matriarchal one. While on the one hand, the wife moves into the husband's household, and sexual transgressions are swept aside and made light of,(patriarchal), in actuality the men in the PR story are almost all complete idiots to put it bluntly. (Even if hot and handsome 😉 and that of course is why we excuse them !) However, the decisions are all made by the women only & the men for the most part just stand there and say nothing and do nothing.

From Manoar forward there were only two men who were stronger than the women and they were both villains (Ajiit and Dharmesh). So the message is that women run the society, the family and relationships, either by decision making or by drama, and good men are subservient to those decisions and dramas.

To me that's a much more troublesome aspect of the serial. Although, I have to ask a serious question. Does it in reality reflect the current state of India's culture? I don't know. Perhaps it does. And if so, do women take over the leading role because the men refuse to be responsible? Or .. why does it happen? India is so vast and so varied, like many nations within the nation, so there is probably not one answer that applies to all.

But in the storyline, it does bother me. Thanks for posting an interesting topic.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I agree with you. Actually Ekta thinks sympathy works among Indians and its quite true :\ People like to watch people suffering in a chawl and sympathise with them.
So I guess this is because of that 🤓
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: naava

Good topic Laila. It's kind of an interesting dichotomy. First of all, on one hand i agree with you. Romanticizing poverty (and i think it's romanticizing more than glamorizing) is disingenuous at best. And to come to India after 20 years in Canada and not get sick drinking the hand drawn water is ludicrous. They should at least show them all with a bottle of Evian 😆 !!


But, wait. This is a silly tv show. Everything that Ekta does is exaggeration but not ever very realistic. Whether she intends it or not, in some ways her shows are satirical. She takes relationships, marriage, rape and abuse, money, power & prestige to extreme and ridiculous ends - total exaggerations.

We get frustrated, but Ekta know that everyone watches these shows for romance of some kind. It's the love story that hooks us, and she's a genius at jodis. So...she can do whatever else seems to fit her fancy.

And to be honest, there IS unfortunately some truth, that materialism is seductive and does many times...certainly not always..obscure deeper values and family relationships. It's not a given, and doesn't have to occur, but sadly it does.

I can live with the romanticism of chawl life...i understand her point, and even a creative point and find it a cute part of the story because, while not realistic, it's harmless.. What bothers me more Laila, is the dichotomy between a patriarchal society and matriarchal one. While on the one hand, the wife moves into the husband's household, and sexual transgressions are swept aside and made light of,(patriarchal), in actuality the men in the PR story are almost all complete idiots to put it bluntly. (Even if hot and handsome 😉 and that of course is why we excuse them !) However, the decisions are all made by the women only & the men for the most part just stand there and say nothing and do nothing.

From Manoar forward there were only two men who were stronger than the women and they were both villains (Ajiit and Dharmesh). So the message is that women run the society, the family and relationships, either by decision making or by drama, and good men are subservient to those decisions and dramas.

To me that's a much more troublesome aspect of the serial. Although, I have to ask a serious question. Does it in reality reflect the current state of India's culture? I don't know. Perhaps it does. And if so, do women take over the leading role because the men refuse to be responsible? Or .. why does it happen? India is so vast and so varied, like many nations within the nation, so there is probably not one answer that applies to all.

But in the storyline, it does bother me. Thanks for posting an interesting topic.


I agree. I think this seems to be the trend in a lot of serials. Men are shown to be unsophisticated, dumb... who just see black or white. They meekly follow their wives orders, but more than being a matriarchal thing I think it has to do with the strong dominating the weak (of course woman are shown to be more "morally" stronger...uh I'm contradicting myself) but we see these cases in real life too. Sometimes you come across that couple where you see the husband who's so submissive, quite and is readily dominated by his head strong wife. Its like...either dominate or get dominated. And at the risk of sounding cynical, a lot of relationships and people are like that only. Egalitarianism is hardly a sight.

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