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Posted: 11 years ago
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@Esha and Srklver ... first I am not equating rape and rape attempt and neither I have really said anywhere how much time it should take for a woman to move on after facing this .So Anandi ., Ganga and Asha's example to me ????

@Esha Probably you didn't understand my point My point is this Sanchi after rape attempt apart from Jagya never appreciated other good people who stood by her Yes she did appreciate Jagya's goodness and fell for him but fell for him more there not that she fell for him only there because she fell for Jagya after he saved her life in Jaitser Standing in Jaitser hospital she was saying about him, you are different from other guys You are someone special She fell for him more after he saved her 4th time there but she was already in love with him and knew he is a good guy and also knew a clear difference between him being a good person and sunny and his friends bad guys because that was third time he saved her from sunny and his friends First time in college and second time on road when they were insulting her The same goodness of same people was in front of her even then that is now Anandi supported her , took care of her same like now Why she couldn't see after that Anandi is not her enemy in fact she kicked her out of room when she came there to console her , her family supported her in that but she cheated them more even though Jagya himself made her understand but she temporarily understood never acted Did she really need to go through same experience in more brutal form to understand the value of all those people whom she ill treated ? Was the first one so less or others support to her was less ? Even she didn't feel any iota of shame when putting a false blame on her savior he saved her life from being horrible ? He saved her repute but she tried to defame him falsely blaming him just because he refused to accept her in his life

Cvs never showed that rape attempt case in great detail and disappeared it in smoke A lot many questions she had to answer that would have impacted her life but her family protected her and she could never see that

And my point is misunderstood When Sanchi is given too much credit she is this , that then I mentioned you are forgetting a strong support of family helped her stand in witness box in the first place otherwise on her own she would have committed suicide so all credit she does not deserve others deserve too who helped her Its not on own strength only

Probably you guys can understand her redemption for me it is not convincing Cvs are more sort of interested in painting her victim but completely sweeping her past under carpet ?Mrs Kabra is a disgusting woman but her mentality is no different than Sanchi of past .Didn't Sanchi put same blames on Ganga she is a man eater , trapped Ratan Singh despite knowing Ganga is a balika vadhu She mocked Ganga saying she got pregnant with his child and left him then came after Jagya and will leave him too after seeing new prey ?Why is that madam Sanchi when Mrs Kabra throws same on her face never remembers her own behavior ?and strange Mrs Kabra never taunts Sanchi what kind of a woman she was in the past , what Sanchi did with her first love which she knows very well because her own son Vivek fought a case against Sanchi Every other character no matter good or bad had to face their past but Sanchi madam s past starts with her rape and ends on her rape what about rest ?What about her past misdeeds It ended with an over night sorry ?

And I agree with skep on her points Same feelings I have and to be honest going by Sanchi s character sketch I don't understand her all of sudden discomfort on Saurabh touching her when first time he got close to her in restaurant and touched her she was enjoying?To one man she claimed to loved she was desperate for his touch , didn't mind touching him , hugging him in front of everyone , even kissing him ignoring disapproval clearly written on his face but to other guy she also claims to love she was no no no to him doing same things with her? Here she was saying such things only suit after marriage then why previously it was not to her ? Seeing Sanchi s actions with Jagya most of forum people wrote perhaps she will go ahead with Saurabh but cvs overnight turned her character ? and how she never realized Saurabh is a pervert ?The very first day Saurabh met her he got way too close to her and was rubbing his arms with her to catch her attention much similar Sanchi herself was doing with Jagya and later Saurabh directly tried to get closer to her even saying to her its ok for him so quite strange still she never realized what sort of person he is ?????

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Missesha



I was answering Sidra's question as to why Sa didn't change after the first rape attempt n why now? In a nutshell, she didn't lose much the first time so never felt its impact but she lost a lot the second time n then practically understood the meaning of being unfortunate. Hence that brought about the change in her.

The value people a person realizes the most in times of distress For Sanchi rape attempt was also a very horrible and painful experience but she never realized the value of people who stood by her She didn't leave even her savior so Esha still I don't feel any connection with her story telling😆Lets agree to disagree

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Posted: 11 years ago
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I don't believe in a girl having to keep watch around her 24/7 or take any "safety precautions" so as not to get herself into circumstances where she may be attacked. I don't see why girls need to be told to be "careful" agreed its probably the way the world is right now but its not right for girls to be expected to do that. Saurabh knew very well Sanchi would never allow him to fulfil his wishes with her hence why he drugged her. I don't believe she thought Saurabh might do that. She was so wrapped up in her determination to defy her family and Anandi she just didn't realise the intentions of that guy. But it doesn't even matter if she did or didn't. As far as I'm concerned the only people who are responsible for rape are those that do it themselves not the victim in any way.
Sanchi probably obstinately wanted herself to be in "love" with Saurabh so as to defy Anandi and the family but we could see it never was anything remotely like love. Another obstinate determination to be with someone which she was determined to think of as love. It was really rather awful. Thank God now she has realised the TRUE meaning of love.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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@SRKluvr
I already clarified that it was not victim blaming. I'd have upheld basic rules for personal safety for anyone whether male or female, young or old. Sanchi was way too careless. She was not merely a teen who did not know anything.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: atominis

@SRKluvr

I already clarified that it was not victim blaming. I'd have upheld basic rules for personal safety for anyone whether male or female, young or old. Sanchi was way too careless. She was not merely a teen who did not know anything.

skepblun None can deny the fact Sanchi's own careless attitude lead her to this This is not victim blaming but this her own mistakes cannot be ignored thats why sympathy for her is diluted
when she was attempted to be raped and Jagya saved her on nick of time This dumb woman even after knowing Sunny and his friends quite well , even after having enmity with them still listened to them and ran off to meet Jagya in the lab when she knew very well Jagya had his mobile with him He can sms her or even call her if he wanted to meet her alone why in the world he will ask those boys who have enmity with him ? but no she was so lusting after Jagya she didnt use even her common sense and despite knowing Jagya very well he is not that type of guy she was enjoying sunny rubbing her shoulder thinking Jagya was doing this🤢 This dumb girl even after facing so much there didn't learn anything

A guy ( Saurabh) from first day is trying to get closer to her , from very first day , he got in her bedroom and was trying to get physical with her The servant came and saved her in nick of time and she lashed out at the servant and badmouthed him how dare he come inside her room and Anandi in very clear words said to her no good guy enters in a girl's bedroom like this but she didn't listen Is she a kid , a teen ? Isn't she educated ?How does she has not even common sense ?who asked her to take all precautions with her but if she would be careful these things never happened with her . She got enough signals but she ignored all her fault For that she will be blamed
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Martial unfortunately was not even considered rape some time back but its not fair call to say women like Ganga and Gehna facing martial rape don't face much from society They don't face luring guys not careful blame what they face they fail to please their husband They have issue in being intimate with their husband so what if husband wanted this from them ? How this is less ? Their rape is not even considered rape Their pain suppressed in four walls of house Sanchi types get quite sympathy Trauma is no way less in any case but equating the social mistreatment declaring martial rape victim does not face much is not a fair call IMO . Marriage who marries a martial raped woman ? Here a divorced woman gets remarried with great difficulty , a 1000 questions put on her why her marriage failed then someone facing the trauma of martial rape her state is even worst

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Marital rape isn't even considered rape by many people. Till recently it was not even in purview of law.
I don't think Sanchi's case was special. In fact such cases still get support whereas marital rape gets little.

Both kinds of rape are equally traumatic.

Still I can't empathise much with Sanchi because she was not careful even after being saved from rape attempt earlier and neither took basic safety precautions as an educated, modern girl. This is not victim blaming.
Mostly it's the actress' poor performance too that's affecting message from coming across (for me as a viewer).

Those who are interested are free to watch it. Who's taking away their right?

Similarly those of us who don't like over focus on Sanchi are free to voice our discontent
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Right?
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QUOTE] Answering the bold parts.
Yes anyone is free to watch what they like and voice their discontent on what they don't.
I am not asking anyone to change their views. I am just sharing mine, and trying to justify Saanchi's redemption and her 'hum se nahi hoga' part, based on my perception of the character.
Amidst that, people have paused different questions and challenged my POV based on what they seem as inappropriate, hence I have tried to answer that.
I am not trying to say Saanchi was always right, and she was completely faultless in the rape that happened to her.
I am only applauding her for her courage to stand up and face the world. CVs did live up to my expectations on two things; the way Saanchi faced media, and her first night with Vivek. I could connect, it looked realistic and hence I appreciated.
What she does in her marital life is yet to be seen, but so far so good.
p.s.(just chose red colour for my reply, because when I quoted, the post appeared as one post, so red was just to diffrentiate my response from Skepblun's)
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Esha...I appreciate your point of view ...and the clarity in it while expressing it !
Some of us like Sanchi's approach and attitude in this particular situation and some have doubts and dislike regarding the acting ability of this actress ...and the development and the haphazard depiction of this character from the beginning is creating a negative feeling in most of us .
Here we are all expressing our views and sharing our opinions in a dignified manner ...that is what is called as, a healthy atmosphere !
Different views different perspectives ...but we are all friends !That is what i really love in this Forum ! 😊
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: SEETHA.K

Esha...I appreciate your point of view ...and the clarity in it while expressing it !

Some of us like Sanchi's approach and attitude in this particular situation and some have doubts and dislike regarding the acting ability of this actress ...and the development and the haphazard depiction of this character from the beginning is creating a negative feeling in most of us .
Here we are all expressing our views and sharing our opinions in a dignified manner ...that is what is called as, a healthy atmosphere !
Different views different perspectives ...but we are all friends !That is what i really love in this Forum ! 😊

Yes totally. And that's why I am more hooked to the forum than the show. Trust me if it were not for the forum, I would have left the show a while back.
I also enjoy these discussions and most importantly the ability to connect to lot of unknown people just through our opinions. 😊. In a way, Forum has become another family.
At times we do pick on each other to prove a point, but I don't think it has ever been personal by anyone on anyone ever. It has always been about what we agree and disagree too.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Missesha

Yes totally. And that's why I am more hooked to the forum than the show. Trust me if it were not for the forum, I would have left the show a while back.

I also enjoy these discussions and most importantly the ability to connect to lot of unknown people just through our opinions. 😊. In a way, Forum has become another family.
At times we do pick on each other to prove a point, but I don't think it has ever been personal by anyone on anyone ever. It has always been about what we agree and disagree too.


@bold, my feelings exactly. I feel more connected to the show since joining this forum. When I watch BV nowadays, I immediately start thinking how the forum would react to various scenes 😊.

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