Jodha's trust broken DT Note Pg 44 Updated Topic Pg 45

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Posted: 11 years ago
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I had posted this as a response on Mansi's thread on Wednesday's episode. On the request of a friend, I have made this as a separate thread.

Please feel free to share your opinions and thoughts about what happened and what I have said about it.😊


The most important thing for me is that till Jalal came and blasted her, she had no idea whatsoever that Jalal had seen her with Sujamal and he was starting to mistrust her. She had asked him a few times what his problem was but he had not taken those chances to clear the matter. Rather, he kept expecting with the ego of a husband that she should come to him of her own volition and tell him everything.

From Jodha's POV, she was only meeting her brother and not doing anything wrong. The only wrong thing, according to her, was that Sujamal was accused falsely of being a traitor.She was only trying to clear her brother's name and also save her husband's life. She had promised her brother she wouldn't say anything to Jalal. She may also have realized that it would be better not to say anything to Jalal about the saazish on his life till she had some concrete proof because he was not believing her and he may inadvertently put the would-be-assassin on alert.

(The letter doesn't touch upon why she met Sujamal or the threat to Jalal's life. It is focused only on her relationship with Jalal, which is as it should be. I just wish a little though she had mentioned in passing that he was suspecting her when she was trying to safeguard him, whereas he trusted those who were trying to harm him.)

Under such circumstances, why would she go to him and what would she say to him? So there was really no fault of Jodha in the whole scenario. Jalal was not at much fault either but he was misled by circumstances and MA and his own swaying emotions.

Most of all, both kept thinking the other would and should trust them blindly, which is almost never the case in reality. Esp in their case, when the trust is still nascent and there are a number of people ready to drive a wedge between them. The Jodha who wrote this letter and the Jalal who spoke up to her, both of them would have done better not to have waited for things to get so bad before at least confessing their feelings for each other. But that is now water under the bridge.

When Jodha has done no wrong, why should she apologise? She has sensed one thing, which is that every time something goes wrong in their marriage, Jalal will get distanced from her. In the end, he may apologize and may treat her every wish as his command for a few days. But the cycle repeats. Somewhere a wife has to take a call.That's what I wanted to know in my post too - whether Jodha would be able to trust Jalal after this track. The answer is clear. Her trust has been broken. Even now, Jalal may be able to convince her of his love and bring her back and they may even consummate their marriage. But in a small corner of her heart, she will still wonder whether Jalal really trusts her. Her trust will not return till he proves it in similar trying circumstances next time. (maybe Shehnaz track ?)

(Outside people can only see that he treats her as a dainty princess, only those very close to her can see how he also mistreats her in private.)
(Consummation of marriage and love/trust are entirely different. No couple waits for 100% love/trust to get intimate. Even after having children, couples continue to misunderstand and fight.)
Forumwasis may ask why should Jalal always seek forgiveness and why should he prove his trust? When will Jodha prove her love and trust? My answer is Jodha is a living, breathing testimony of love and trust for him. Right since the time he distanced himself from BB, she has been with him emotionally and mentally. She has trusted him and his every decision since then, in every track.

  • She has proved her love for him by not just drinking poison. But innumerable other acts.
  • She saved his marriage with Ruqaiyya. (Ruq would have simply let the marriage end if the positions of Jodha and Ruq had been reversed.)
  • She brought him close to his people and made him a part of his awaam.
  • She removed his rose-tinted glasses and made him face reality, whether in the child-marriage or the slavery cases.
  • She supported his desire to go incognito to Salim Chisti's even when her health was fragile.
  • Even in this particular track, she was only trying to unmask his enemy within the palace.
(Why she should be named Devi or Mata for exposing harsh truths is beyond me. Nor does it show Jalal as incompetent. A king is only as wise as his advisers. His advisers had been hiding many truths from him and had even isolated him in an ivory tower. Just because Jodha brought him out of there, back to his people, doesn't make her a devi or him a fool. It makes them equal partners in running an empire.)

The letter in no way sounds like a "moral science lecture" to me, as it has been termed by some. You are right in saying that just because Jodha isn't shouting her heart out doesn't lessen her love in any way. By nature, she is a self-effacing person and rarely expresses her feelings. Even in Amer, she rarely spoke of her own feelings with anyone much, except maybe Moti and to an extent, Sukanya.

Note: The "you" here stands for Mansi. And not the general public. 😊

Another question doing the rounds is why Jalal needs someone to tell him to bring Jodha back. Jodha has spelt out very clearly in her letter that she doesn't wish to return. If he brings her back forcibly, he will get a queen but not his wife. This is holding him back. He needs assurance from someone like SB and his mother that he can bring back his Jodha if he tries hard enough.

About Ruq: She is not all selfishness with no heart. She still has some bit of fairness in her that makes her uncomfortable when things go too extreme. She is a few steps short of becoming MA.
PS: A 16th century royal couple whose marriage was arranged, would rarely confess lovey-dovey feelings directly. If we see olden movies based on royal families, we can see how formal and dignified they are even in private. We can't expect them to jump and run towards each other and start kissing and singing love songs.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Great post Radhika! 👏
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Radhika - dear this is NOT a bhashan but a fabulous fabulous post clearly describing Jodha and Jalal both POVs in a very insightful manner - written by wonderfully insightful writer

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Awsome post dear keep it up
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Agree with the 'contents' of your post. Very well written.

Very few can see the story of both the leads. I find you among those few.

Also, i do not understand why this issue of 'apology' is treated so SERIOUSLY. An apology does NOT makes anyone a lesser being.!.

A Nice take.!.




I made a post on Mansi's thread on Page-1. Here it is :: (With ur reply as well..!!..)




Originally posted by: RadhikaS0


Abhay,

👏

Got tempted to reply to your post 😳

Love means total absence of fear, which was MISSING IN BOTH.(It will be NOW that they will overcome this fear).

Very true. Both were fearful.
  • Both believed that the other would trust them the way they trusted the other.
  • In the end, both felt sad they were not able to generate trust in themselves in the other.


Edited by history_geek - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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jalal broke her trust . well
but did she also not break his trust ?
she hid things from him she lied to him
she could have told that she is trying to protect him
she could have told him that she is meeting a relative
that she cannot tell him the full truth now
but she will tell him the truth when the right time comes
poor jalal just wanted an answer of some sort
in the letter she reminded him of the marriage vows
which vow asks to lie and hide things from your partner
here if jalal is wrong jodha is equally wrong
i am not at all bashing or abusing
just presenting my views
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Very well written abt JJ pov 👏 👏 nice post buddy 😃
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I am sorry to say but I totally disagree with your thinking. Trust or no trust is not the issue here. The issue is Jalal's life.

All this tamasha was done to ensure the safety of Jalal. Earlier Jodha was ready to suffer abuse but that did not deter her from her single minded aim to keep Jalal safe.

Now, she is willing to abandon Jalal . The danger has not gone away which means that Jalal's life has no value for her.

That idea is harsh and ridiculous but that is what the CV'S are trying to portray Jodha as, uncaring and cold.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: rima4ever

jalal broke her trust . well

but did she also not break his trust ?
she hid things from him she lied to him
she could have told that she is trying to protect him
she could have told him that she is meeting a relative
that she cannot tell him the full truth now
but she will tell him the truth when the right time comes
poor jalal just wanted an answer of some sort
in the letter she reminded him of the marriage vows
which vow asks to lie and hide things from your partner
here if jalal is wrong jodha is equally wrong
i am not at all bashing or abusing
just presenting my views



But Jalal never asked her.. It was a very simple question.. Jodha Begum, MA and I saw you meeting somebody in the middle of the night. Who is he? Dont take me wrong.. I trust you a lot, but people in the palace will may be assume the worst.. So as a husband and your king, it is better you be frank with me. I dont need to know your whereabouts from others like MA...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I do not feel in any way CV's have shown her to be cold / uncaring, towards Jalal.


1. Even after leaving the palace, she can be seen defending Jalal infront of 'unknown' people, who were criticizing him.

2. The situation in Ben Track, where she tried to be as strong as possible, and the situation here is NOT AT ALL, comparable. Here she could NOT do much, but WAIT. In the Ben Track, she knew the truth, and was trying to expose her, and took all humiliations. Coming to present case, she did NOT run away at her own. The reason for going away was the Very Doubt on her Purity, which was quite shattering. We can not EXPECT a person to keep suffering abuse ALWAYS.

It is unthinkable that Jalal's life has NO value for her.

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