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Posted: 11 years ago
#91

Originally posted by: sweet_diksha

friends, here something i would like to share with u all abt the Jo-Jallu scene... we all criticized it a lot... and i m not going to write how they acted or abt the editing or direction... but reading various posts in forum, made me think abt Jallu's mental condition when he imagined that scene (i still think it's his dream)... so here is my take on Jallu and his dream...

hearing the truth from Suja and the reason behind Jo's hiding the truth from him, Jallu understood, he has committed a grave mistake...may be a crime... of blaming an innocent person of something which can cause that person die out of shame... the same instant he was filled with shame and guilt on his behavior and a fear of losing her... he knew her pride very well, and he has hurt the same pride to that extent , which may never be acceptable to her... he even has broken his relationship with her and asked rather ordered her to leave and never come back... and so for a sec there is a fear more than guilt, what if she has followed his orders?

last time when she drank poison, he knew what he had gone through to bring her back, but that time at least her lifeless body was in front of him... now what if she is not there? where he will find her? will he be able to meet her eyes? will she ever forgive him and accept him back?

for the first time in his life , the heartless emperor has fallen in love...has accepted the very existence of his heart and the love for someone special in that heart... and the worst thing is that he has hurt the same love in worst possible way... he has thrown her out of his life with his own hands... and now he is not sure if he has any rights left to claim that love back... he can only hope...

and so now he knows, he was wrong all the time, that his love (Jodha) was always pure and selfless , again the same craving is back in his mind... the craving for her love, coz he knows only she can give him pure love without any selfish expectations... and so he hopes somewhere in his innermost mind , that even after so much insult, she will still be there leaving her pride behind, waiting for him to come to her so that she can take off his guilt, wipe his tears away, comfort him with her love, accept him forever...

and while he rushes towards her room , all these emotions hidden in his soul till date, come out as his dream, mixed with his guilt for accusing her and fear of losing her ...

Diksha, this is a sensational post To that I want to add one thought that arises after reading your post. This whole dream of Jalal must be a result of his anticipation that Jodha may have gone. It may be his way of trying desperately to reassure himself of the opposite knowing in his heart of hearts that she may have already left.
What I mean to say is that when we are fearing something bad may happen, we may tend to deliberately imagine the extreme opposite just to pacify our own minds. Thus when jalal thinks she may have gone already he is going to the extreme of even imagining kisses and hugs from Jodha (who he knows is not confessed her love up to this time). This whole dream of kisses and hugs is an attempt perhaps to imagine the rosiest picture as a way to calm the desperate heartbeat that is telling him "She may have gone!"
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Posted: 11 years ago
#92

Originally posted by: MaddyO



Mansi I felt it was a dream sequence and had made posts why I felt that way on Ela's thread. Lot others on her thread like Akkanksha, Ayushi, Preet, Pals and later Diksha and some others also felt it was a dream of Jalal's.


Jalal can get up close and personal with Jodha only when he is angry, drunk or dreaming.

Jalal was shown walking for a long time and muttering to himself that he hopes Jodha would forgive him, he will listen to her tanas but will make sure she forgives him etc. What was the need to show him taking such a long walk? I thought it was all his imagination and today we will see him arrive in Jodha's hojara to find her gone.

Moti in that sequence - not logical but Jalal knows Moti is on his side, maybe he imagined that Moti would have told Jodha now Sujamal is safe and she would be relieved and ready to forgive him.

Jodha all decked up made no sense cos it was like she was just sitting around waiting for him.

They did not show a single person like HB and SB who are so worried about Jodha go to talk with her.

When Jalal was angry with BB, HB had advised Jodha not to approach BB because Jalal wouldn't like it. HB/SB/anyone else would never dare to talk to anyone they feel is in Jalal's bad books.

The dream sequence was ONLY about Jalal's POV. What he would be imagining - that is why there was not a single sentence of Jodha saying I am sorry I hid things from you, I hurt your feeling making you think I do not trust you. Jalal is ONLY THINKING ABOUT HIS OWN GUILT and so the entire sequence was his POV.

The sentence Jodha says did you think I would leave Agra cos you said so - just does not go with Jodha. She felt devastated at his accusations so her frivolous reply was out of place.

I think the entire dream sequence romance was to hold off viewers to the separation track. They knew viewers were fed up with the track and MU and before separation they gave this babaji ka thallu.

😆

They showed this scene as bit awkward because the REAL PATCH UP AND RECONCILIATION WILL BE TOTALLY DIFFERENT. It will have to have Jodha saying sorry and hurting Jalal, Jalal telling all to Jodha and then saying why he said the things he said etc.

I don't agree Medha. Even if it's a dream sequence or even if the real thing will come later, what's the harm if the scene is more authentic, with more feeling? Like you said, both leads shared great chemistry till the previous episode. Wonder what happened yesterday? May be they had had a fight. 😆 And showing some feeling now won't take away from the real scene - the pre-dhakka fantasy was so hot, has it in any way impacted the romantic sequences later on? If at all, it has only whetted the appetite of viewers for more. 😆

If they showed all that BEFORE then the intensity of the real scene would be lost, we have seen it all before.

I still think the scene was awkward but I do not think it was due to PS - AT ALL. The Friday scene had Jalal and Jodha face to face noses touching and far more physical and there was no problem. I refuse to believe things said about PS. She has given such scenes before in before dhakka dream sequence and some others.

Now the Jodha sleeping scene makes sense. In their weird way if Jodha was shown all upset and worried maybe everybody would have known that she would have left. They wanted everybody to believe the make-up scene was NOT a dream of Jalal's that is why the sleeping Jodha.

They showed her going to meet him but MA stopped him.

Even the day after the dhakka, Jodha had gone to see Jalal but was stopped by MA. Next time, Jodha should simply push aside MA and go straight to Jalal. In the Amer track, she had once done just that. That early spirit is now missing in Jodha.

My prediction for today is - Jalal will find Jodha gone. Most probably Moti also has not idea Jodha has left. Moti will be asked and she might say Jodha went to talk with Jalal at night to tell him all so Moti thought the MU was solved last night itself. This will make Jalal more aware to what extent Jodha was willing to go, she was even ready to break her vachan to tell him to put his mind at rest.

Moti not having any idea about Jodha and then maybe giving Jodha's POV about the entire MU - like how she wanted to confide in Jalal but when she tried to warn Jalal an insider was involved he did not believe her. That made Jodha worried that he might tip off someone who was planning an attack on Jalal.

Moti should also explain Jodha was worried about Jalal's life and she did not know Sujamal was in haram.

Rest all your yesterday's prediction sounds good, hope they do offer you job at Balajai's 😆



Searched for your post - yours is always interesting and much in line with my own thoughts 😃

This one was good too 👏
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Posted: 11 years ago
#93
@Mansi : Yes the direction was poor in that last scene and I dont get why camera has to b zoomed onto their cheeks everytime they kiss .. thats what look artificial

And About Moti , I feel that part could b real .. I mean Moti informs Jodha that Sujamal is safe and Jalal knows the truth and mayb then Jodha decides to leave as per Jalal's order because she feels hurt and humiliated too .. so the part where Jalal enters her room could b the start of his dream 🤔😕
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: skanda12

Diksha, this is a sensational post To that I want to add one thought that arises after reading your post. This whole dream of Jalal must be a result of his anticipation that Jodha may have gone. It may be his way of trying desperately to reassure himself of the opposite knowing in his heart of hearts that she may have already left.
What I mean to say is that when we are fearing something bad may happen, we may tend to deliberately imagine the extreme opposite just to pacify our own minds. Thus when jalal thinks she may have gone already he is going to the extreme of even imagining kisses and hugs from Jodha (who he knows is not confessed her love up to this time). This whole dream of kisses and hugs is an attempt perhaps to imagine the rosiest picture as a way to calm the desperate heartbeat that is telling him "She may have gone!"



excellent thought
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: deejagi

Diksha, You are right about his condition, mental stress and fear. he is hoping against hope that it is not too late, she will be there, waiting for him to give her chance to hear her thinking that how stubborn she is when she wants to put her case in front of him and how she will manage it every time even if he tries to push her request. That is the only ray of hope he has now as he can recollect Maham coming to him to inform that Jodha had come to meet him and to talk to him on the issue. So with that heavy heart, even his legs are not supporting him to hasten the steps, it took agaes for him to reach her hojra... In this long trip he just visualize how he will ask for forgiveness from her. He is trying to reharse the scene he is going to face and take part. Here comes his wishful thinking. The chess player in him is making his move as well as his opponants move to guage the situation to turn into a happy one

As he reach the hojra, he saw Jodha the same state he left her the previous night except for her tears. She was waiting for him to come, so that she can present her part of the story. The moment he start walking towards her, even she walks towards him and he will gear up the courage to open the dialogue by saying, I am sorry I hurt you so much and thank god you are here and so happy and relieved to see you here. and expect her to respond in positive.😊 by saying, how can I leave just with your one statement as you were not you then. (he expects her to understand his mental state at that moment). he can't see her in tears and wants to wipe her tears with his lips, so he imagine himself wiping those and taht moment the kameena in him pops out saying I want the service to be reciprocated 😉😉😉 So he imagines how nice it would be if she brushes off his tears with her rosy lips and also he wanted the service to be carried on to his wound on his right palm which was hurt twice once when he hit the wall to avoid Jodha's skull and later while saving Sujamal from the sword of Adham Khan😆😆
Diksha this could be true, yes I agree with you that he would have anticipated, imagined or visualized the forth coming scene when he has to apologize to Jodha... (self experience as I do such things when things go wrong between me and hubby or any other family member).



poor him... he is going to break badly to find her gone
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Posted: 11 years ago
#96

Originally posted by: jyoti06

@Mansi : Yes the direction was poor in that last scene and I dont get why camera has to b zoomed onto their cheeks everytime they kiss .. thats what look artificial

And About Moti , I feel that part could b real .. I mean Moti informs Jodha that Sujamal is safe and Jalal knows the truth and mayb then Jodha decides to leave as per Jalal's order because she feels hurt and humiliated too .. so the part where Jalal enters her room could b the start of his dream 🤔😕


Yes, I thought so too
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Posted: 11 years ago
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hello dear...!!
Nice Annalysis as usual..😊
n yup ur predictions too came exactly true..😆
but after the epi itself i was doubtig the reconcillation part as a mere dream...and after seing the times of india aticle has in way confirmed my doubt...!!

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