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Today comments are random because I am writing about random parts of the show that appealed to me.

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I was happily anticipating starting the thread because today I have free time where I can post my comments sooner than I have done before. But then I had to write on today's episode, which was anything but good. Anyway starting with positives:

Jyoti and Barney (Sid) - These two are really cute. Jyoti looked very pretty and young in that simple blue dress. Sid is getting attracted to her. Jyoti has also relaxed enough where she was not getting scared at Barney's gaze full of admiration. If anything, she felt shy with him. She was feeling grateful too but Barney accepted her gratitude quite graciously and asked her to make tea for him as a means of thanking him. So he was letting her know that she too does things for him and she does not need to feel beholden to him for anything he is doing for her. This is one cute couple.

Rest of the Episode - Not sure where to start as it was all dominated by Aditi at the expense of dumbig down everyone. Yes, we can still interpret that Shlok has closed his mind to the truth because baba stands in the way or Anjali is protecting Astha by not believing her. But unfortunately this had such a deja vu feeling (including the precap) that I really think that all characters including Niranjan will be dumbed down to keep Aditi in the show.

So let me go to positives:

1. Astha bringing the albums out and calling Sojal to view the childhood pictures. Sojal is a fun loving person at heart who enjoys a company of a girl closer to her age. So just as she and Jyoti had come to Astha's room to look at the wedding picture a while back, today she happily came there and was enjoying looking at the album together. It would be nice to see a bond between Astha and Sojal and unite against the Agnihotri guys once Sojal lets go of her insecurity regarding Astha.

2. Niranjan and Anjali exchange - Anjali hid Astha's allegations from Niranjan and forbade others to mention it to him too. It was not only to protect Astha, but to also protect herself because Niranjan views any failure to control Astha as a failure on Anjali's part and she has to pay a big price.

3. Baba's hold on Shlok - I am putting it in positives because that is one of theme of the story. Though Baba's hold on Shlok is weakening, he still reacts when he feels that his baba's interests have been threatened. Astha has to realize this and decide that does she want to live a life where her worth for Shlok would be based on how long she keeps Baba happy. This is no way to have a healthy relationship because it is like walking on egg shells. Displease Baba's friend and Baba is unhappy and Shlokie is unhappy. Do not make Baba's favorite dish, baba is hurt and Shlokie is hurt. Do not do puja in Baba's style, Baba is hurt and goes to grandpa's photo and Shlokie is angry. Now the reason I put in positives is this makes Shlok's actions more logical and explainable in the short run. Also, Kalindi is there who will be there to act as a foil on Baba's influence. If Baba influences Shlok, Kalindi also influences Astha. So Kalindi would be there to stop Astha when she starts going overboard in giving in to Shlok.

4. I liked Astha - her fearlessness and her confronting everything in open. She did not care even when Niranjan tried to manipulate her that he was disappointed in her for the first time. She looked slightly sad, but not heartbroken. She was only heartbroken in the precap when Shlok called her an outsider. Shlok is the only one who has a capacity to deeply hurt her because she loves him so much. I liked her way of openly challenging the esteemed guest Ajinkya whom nobody dares to cross because of baba.

I was feeling slightly sorry for Niranjan that he is going to get Astha and Barney as his DIL and SIL respectively - the two honest souls who neither care about the money nor influence. And he wants to repeat the history by creating another Niranjan and Anjali. Fat chance.

Rest of the Episode:
I am not sure where to start. Aditi is now the main character and all other characters are supporting characters. All the shrewd characters - Shlok, Anjali, Varad and Vinayak are being dumbed down. Astha is going to be the sole person who would try to find the truth, would find a clue, tell it to others, Agnihotri family would have disturbed expressions, Aditi is going to do some melodrama that only dumb ones can accept, Astha is going to be blamed, Aditi will gloat, Astha will approach Aditi and tell her that she would expose her one day, Shlok would shout at Astha for insulting his baba, Anjali would scold her too, and then the whole drama would start again. Oh yes...bappa's prayers would be invoked from time to time. The supporters of Astha - Vinayak and Varad would be quiet and then would go to Shlok that Astha is doing this out of love for him, Shlok would mellow down a little bit until the next drama.


So Astha got brains today because they were donated to her by Shlok and Anjali. But since they donated her their brains, they had none left to use later on. Astha figured out that Aditi is an imposter because she had five fingers instead of six and because she could not recognize her childhood photo. Fake Aditi (psycho) is an idiot vamp who did not bother to do any research on Aditi's childhood photos (though she researched on how Shlok and Aditi used to play together). But luckily for her, Agnihotri family do not have any more brains and so nobody questioned as to why she had no mark of the sixth finger, even if the finger was removed at the birth.

Now I am still giving a benefit of doubt to Niranjan as to whether he has been dumbed down. He could be in cahoots with Aditi but then he is not the sort of person who makes such open plans. His intelligence is that he uses everyone's weaknesses against them and to play them against each other. So I am now beginning to think that Aditi is a stand alone person who is shown to be so powerful that even rich Agnihotris are helpless against her.


Astha owns 50% of stock in Shlok's company. So why cannot she hire a professional investigator to find out everything about fake Aditi. Of course, this way they cannot show a daily catfight between the heroine - the one who is determined to save her family and the vamp who is there to take the hero from her.

Coming back to the episode, Aditi uses that pesticide medicine mentioned earlier to garner sympathy and to further spoil Astha's image. Shlok is now mighty angry because Astha is letting him down by spoiling her pristine image in front of baba. Astha's image is of paramount concern to her. The threat to life is not a big thing because after all he is there to save her. So what if he does not have brains. He does have brawn to save his damsel in distress.

Anyway, in the end Anjali announces to everyone that Astha would soon be an outsider because of impending divorce. Psycho is happy that her object of obsession can be hers. Of course she is again dumb because despite all the research, she did not bother to find out that Astha and Shlok were in middle of a divorce or that both needed to agree to give divorce to each other before it can be finalized. Anyway, this is for the other day. Today was pyscho's day and I guess the scene after the divorce hearing would be Astha's when she comes back triumphantly to tell fake Aditi that she has come back to Agnihotri mansion for her.

As usual, unwanted guests in Agnihotri mansion can stay as long as they want to do so. Nobody gets suspicious why a guest who was supposed to be there for two days is not anywhere anytime soon. That is because after six months of a show, CVs get stingy and give only one brain to the entire family. Now that brain has been loaned to Astha, Agnihotri family cannot be faulted for not using common sense.



Ok...that is my ranting for today. Please add your thoughts too. Hopefully I was not too negative.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I did not like the episode primarily because it was poorly executed and even the actors looked bored to me. 😕🤢 Yesterday's precap was not shown and it kinda felt like this episode was added as an after thought.
Aastha was again true to her character , impulsive and bold. What she is and what she knows is out in the open. True it does her a lot of harm but then she is strong enough to bounce back. I simply love Niranjan for choosing her to be his favourite son's wife . Little did hot daddy know he was inviting home a storm which would shake the very foundations of his castle!😆😆😆

Now the most interesting character of the show - Niranjan. So is hot daddy involved in fake Aditi's plan?😕 I am seventy percent sure he is , I would be terribly disappointed if he wasn't. When Aastha announced that fake Aditi is fake he looked surprised but was it at the possibility or at Aastha figuring it out? Also while he panicked initially(which I felt was so not Niranjan) when fake Aditi consumed poison he tempered down very fast. BTW was it just me , did anyone else feel that the entire Agni clan kinda stood around waiting for fake Aditi to devour the poison and perish?Hot daddy had to scream and spur everyone to action!😆😆
And there was none of his fist clench today, even though Aastha gave him many a reason good enough.😉 I am not sure to what extent Niranjan is involved. If he is we aren't getting to know anytime soon. He is probably emotionally manipulating fake Aditi too without her knowledge.

Ok now coming to my favourite part in today's episode Shlockie and Anjali. I loved how Shlockie stood behind his mother supporting her. Yes he made no verbal claims but his concern was evident when he quickly diverted the topic the minute Niranjan turned on Anjali.😉 So that barrier is breaking too?😕 I wonder if I should go to hot daddy to offer a shoulder for him to cry on 😆😆albeit with a whip in hand.😉

Now why did Anjali open declare about Shlockie-Aastha divorce? It looked like she was desperately trying to sound and seem like the pre-wedding Anjali. Sahib definitely didn't want that news out in the open again. At this point he quickly stole a glance at Aditi as if to gauge her reaction. Was Anjali trying to protect Aastha again or was she plain exasperated ?😕 Another thing I noticed is when Niranjan asks Ajinkya to stay back for few more days he(Ajinkya) sort of looks at Anjali pleadingly and Anjali herself didn't seem too pleased about it.

Yes Shlockie is far from accepting his feelings for Aastha but unknown to him and Aastha there is a lot of maturity that has creeped in. Shlockie feels responsible for Aastha and for actions. When Niranjan reprimands Aastha he looks down and later he quickly gets everyone to disperse when Anjali talks about the divorce. He also stays back and takes Aastha back with him. Yes he was angry but he showed it with restraint. The old Shlockie would have dragged her out and thrown her against the nearest wall. Even in the precap he seems to be calmly explaining to Aastha why her actions hurt him. Yes he called her 'paraya' but to me it seemed like he was trying to convince himself that to justify hurting her to protect Baba.

I hope they find Shlock's and Anjali's misplaced grey matter soon!


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Life's full of tricky snakes and ladders.

Steven Patrick Morrissey


Snakes are sometimes perceived as evil, but they are also perceived as medicine. If you look at an ambulance, there's the two snakes on the side of the ambulance. The caduceus, or the staff of Hermes, there's the two snakes going up it, which means that the venom can also be healing.

Nicolas Cage


The winter solstice has always been special to me as a barren darkness that gives birth to a verdant future beyond imagination, a time of pain and withdrawal that produces something joyfully inconceivable, like a monarch butterfly masterfully extracting itself from the confines of its cocoon, bursting forth into unexpected glory.

Gary Zukav


A clear and innocent conscience fears nothing.

Elizabeth I

PS-None of the quotes are about Aditi. I am not going to waste my time searching for quotes regarding her.
Thoughts about the episode.

I liked the episode in bits and pieces. I am only going to talk about the characters and there is one character who caught my attention. So I will talk about that character first and then will go to the others...

Neeranjan- When Neeranjan asked what is going on a small bit of his rattling snake like music was played in the background. Later on when Astha directly tells everyone openly that Aditi is an imposter and that she will prove it to everyone, Neeranjan shocked. His expression was very interesting here. It was as if he is shocked that Astha has worked it out and she is not going to stop. When Varad was carrying Aditi and rushing her to the hospital, Neeranjan stopped them from going to the hospital and later told the doctor that this incident should not come out. He is trying to avoid police involvement. Now it is possible that he is doing it to save his own image but if he is the one who is behind all this then will he want police to be involved? Based on all this my hunch on Neernjan has got stronger. But why is he doing all this?

Few days back I had written what I could see as Neeranjan's plan. Of course this are just my thoughts based on what has been shown until now and I may not be right. I somehow feel that Neeranjan's aim is the destruction of Astha and he is using Shloke to destroy her. It is quite similar to how he destroyed Avdhut's pride by making him sign the document and he did use Astha for that purpose. Neeranjan likes to own souls of people and by using Shloke to destroy Astha, he is planning to own her soul. He went after Avdhut because Avdhut was refusing to play his games and did stand his ground. Avdhut supported Astha and said no to the initial marriage proposal and he also refused to sign the land deal. With Astha his alarm got activated when he saw feelings and emotions towards Astha in Shloke's eyes. Shloke had told his father that is not possible for him to love again and that his father is everything to him. Shloke falling for Astha is not something that Neernajan will like. The second time alarm bells went off was when Anjali went against what she has been taught to do and she broke her fast because Astha convinced her to do so. Neeranjan will not like Shloke and Anjali to get out of his control and he will fight tooth and nail for them. That night he also told Anjali that relationships should be broken if they become tiresome. Most probably he meant Shloke and Astha's relationship...and I am guessing the emotional bond.

Shloke's past was used so that Astha can be emotionally manipulated. She is already in love with Shloke and being a soft hearted person chances are there that she will fall for him more if she gets a glimpse of Shloke's tormented soul. Neeranjan is also aware that whatever happens Shoke will not tell Astha what has happened in the past and he told Anjali that Shloke will know how to manage the situation. But unknown to Neernajan Shloke has been pushed quite well by Astha. Then he sent Astha and Aditi with Shloke and also told Anjali to tell Astha to pay attention to Aditi and not to just concentrate on having fun...to me it translated to keep away from Shloke so that Shloke does not develop feelings. He knew that things might prop up and he was confident that Shloke will take care of it but he got a shock of his life when Shloke got injured. When Shloke returned Neeranjan held Kavya's hands and walked away leaving his prized guest alone near the doorway. I thought that all these instances will be used some way to prove to Shloke that Astha was doing all this to get his attention and that might result in Shloke lashing back at Astha. I did not consider the Neeranjan factor. It seems that all these are being used to point it to Shloke that Astha is doing all this dramas and the person who is getting harmed the most is Neernajan. They are constantly repeating the dialogue that insulting Aditi or Ajnkya is like insulting Neeranjan. The result of the first confrontation was Shloke lashing at Astha that he does not care whether she stays or not and this time it is owing to be that she is an outsider and that he will destroy anyone including himself if his father is hurt. To me all of this is pointing to destruction of Astha through Shloke.

When the episode started and Ajinkya came in, he was throwing weird looks at Aditi. Is he afraid of her or is checking her expression because he has some plans. Then when the wallet dropped and Astha was gazing at the photograph, Ajinkya did not say anything. Aditi was a bit confused ...Ajinkya was uncomfortable but he just sat there. Anyway I could not understand whether he was scared of Aditi or whether he wanted Astha to see the photograph.

Anjali- Along with protecting asth and other members of the family (specially Shloke because Astha is his wife), the reason why anjali did not tell neeranjan regarding what has happened before was that she also wanted to protect her own skin. Anjali and Shloke are supposed to be controlling Astha but here the opposite happened and she knew that Neeranjan will be furious and they will have to pay. Despite Neeranjan telling Anjali not to let Ajinkya and Aditi know about the divorce, Anjali today let the secret out in front of the so called guests. She was very rude to Astha and refered to her as a third person but why did she say it. Is it to make the person do all this stuff because Astha is in any case leaving...Or was it meant to be a challenge for Astha,...that why is she fighting for the truth, when she will be soon leaving? Also when Neeranjan told Ajnkya that he will now have to stay for a much longer time, from Anjali's reaction it looked as if she was not happy.

Astha- Well Astha was true to form. She is not a person who makes careful plans and when she is stressed then whatever notions she has regarding plans flies out of the window. After finding out that the childhood picture of Aditi is not that of the Aditi whom she knows, she should have kept quiet and used that information later on. Now she has landed in trouble but by bringing this issue out in the open, she has got to know that Ajinkya is most probably involved (she can stop wasting her time trying to get information regarding Aditi from Ajinkya). If Neeranjan is involved which to me he is then he is now also aware that Astha will not be silenced that easily, so he should take some steps to control her. Usually plans of controlling her are successful in the beginning but it soon backfires on him. Anjali also pointed to her directly that she will have to make a decision...what is the use of doing all this if she will not stay. If Kalindi challenges Shloke to so that he daughter is protected then it looks like that Anjali challenges Astha also for her own child. Astha is expecting everyone to believe her...but why should they. They don't even stand up for their daughter, so why will they stand up for a DIL? Anyway reason for not standing up for Jyoti is the same as reason for not standing up for Astha...Neeranjan. Everyone is the family is protective about Neeranjan's ego, as if it is even more precious than Kohinoor. Also in times of stress when a person has to choose between something new and something old...however bad the old is, a person will usually chose something that is old and known. Anyway coming back to Astha, I liked how Sojal left her issues and came to see the old photographs...if only her insecurity is taken care of she will be ok. Astha aslo did not back down when Neeranjan told her that by insulting Ajinky she is insulting him. She looked staright back at Neeranjan and went on her charges...to her truth and protecing someone's life is more important than somone's hollow ego.

Shloke-When Aditi told Neeranjan that Astha has insulted her before, Shloke looked down. After all it is his wife who has done this and harmed his father's reputation and he shouted at her to stop all this. Shloke will not accept that his father is wrong because that will mean that he is wrong. That will show that he was wrong in judging his father. Later on after Aditi did all that drama regarding poison although he was angry at Astha but he did not leave her alone. In Aditi's room he stood where Astha was standing and when Anjali lashed at her regarding divorce, he changed the topic and told everyone that it is time to leave.

Jyoti and Barney- They are in their own world. Out of all colours Barney chose blue and white for Jyoti...the colours of trnaquility and purity. Jytoi is slowly blooming and she is also enjoying Barney's attention. Barney does not want her to feel that she owes him anything and he asks for something in return...tea.

PS- Aditi is really not clever as she thinks herself to be. If she was then she should have found out that Astha and Shloke are on the verge of being divorced. Any intelligent person will make sure that all the bases are covered before going for the attack. This shows that she is an over confident fool who is only successful because of two reasons...Astha is letting her win and people in this house will not go against Neeranjan. Something big has to happen for them to even think about it. It is not about Aditi defeating Astha but Astha due to her own nature letting Aditi win for the time being. If Aditi is not Ajinkya's daughter and she has been chosen by Neeranjan it looks like he is going to be hurt by his own game...Aditi is after Shloke and most probably Neeranjan is not aware of it. Or even if he is then he thinks that Shloke can take care of himself...after all according to Neeranjan his son can cheat death to be with him. If Aditi is not Ajinkya's daughter it does not mean that Ajinkya and Neeranjan will not treat her well...if she is of use and someone who is like a daughter, then why will they not be gentle towards her? Few weeks back they had shown a scene ...this happened after they found out that it is Aditi who sleep walks at night and the next day Neernajan came to talk to Aditi...while he was talking to Aditi his trademark manipulation music was being played in the background but it was a more gentler version and the crescendo built up when Neeranjan was talking to Astha. So even if Aditi is being used, the manipulation used on her is much gentler than what is being used on Astha. Also today Neernajan was panicking when Aditi consumed the poison. So maybe even if he is using her, he does not want to harm her.

Edited by misti73 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Thanks angie. ..good analysis of today's episode. ..Agree with everything. ...The house guest needs to be sent home soon...
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Originally posted by: misti73

Leaving some quotes for the time being..will update soon

Life's full of tricky snakes and ladders.

Steven Patrick Morrissey


I guess this is Astha. She is taking a gamble in her life (throwing a dice) and is encountering steps that take her up and then make her fall again when she encounters a snake.


Snakes are sometimes perceived as evil, but they are also perceived as medicine. If you look at an ambulance, there's the two snakes on the side of the ambulance. The caduceus, or the staff of Hermes, there's the two snakes going up it, which means that the venom can also be healing.

Nicolas Cage


Interesting one. Again it applies to Astha as how she can venom (from snakes around her - Aditi, Niranjan) and can heal not only Shlok but also their relationship.


The winter solstice has always been special to me as a barren darkness that gives birth to a verdant future beyond imagination, a time of pain and withdrawal that produces something joyfully inconceivable, like a monarch butterfly masterfully extracting itself from the confines of its cocoon, bursting forth into unexpected glory.

Gary Zukav

Jyoti - who is slowly coming out of her cocoon in which she was imprisoned for a long time. She is now blossoming in Sid's house - a place where she took shelter and was in the beginning in her own shell from where she is now beginning to emerge.


A clear and innocent conscience fears nothing

Elizabeth I


Astha - She is fearless because her conscience is clear and she is also not a prisoner of her image.

PS-None of the quotes are about Aditi. I am not going to waste my time searching for quotes regarding her.

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Partially updated rest to follow.
Edited by misti73 - 11 years ago
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That is because after six months of a show, CVs get stingy and give only one brain to the entire family. Now that brain has been loaned to Astha, Agnihotri family cannot be faulted for not using common sense.


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Posted: 11 years ago
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i think niranjan is controlling ajinkya and used him to introduce aditi to destroy aastha via shlok like you said, it seems real aditi is under aditi/niranjan's trap somewhere.
but one thing, if ajinkya and aditi are only business, then why did he ask aditi are you okay beta even when everybody had left the room

also aditi said she wants to kill shlok slowly, now niranjan would not want that, so is aditi double crossing niranjan then?
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I m loving the storm Astha has created in this stone cold Agni mansion..😉 she s focused on bachao Shlok mission..so much so that she dsnt care abt her own reputation/ insults/ image etc..I think ths s very much in sync with her characterization..she was never shown as calculative person..rather she has always been impulsive ..bt still intense..watever she did, she did with passion and integrity..n pursued till she got successful..i hope here too she becomes successful..

I really dnt know wat to say abt current track though..Aditi has been given so much importance..v r getting segments/articles abt her as if she s main character..i dnt hv anything personal against the actress bt this whole thing s making me worried 🤔

i m really amazed to see the blindness n dumbness of Agnihotris..why?? i mean when Astha was cross questioning Aditi regarding tht 6th finger..no one found it suspicious?? or given it a thgt tht wat if Astha s making sense...?? y CVs r butchering these characters so much..?? also wat was d need for Astha to confront Aditi regarding tht childhood photo..she could hv done tht in front of everyone n caught her off guard?? Also y it dint click to anyone tht if Aditi really wanted to commit suicide she would hv consumed poison when she s alone..not in front of everyone so tht someone will stop her from consuming poison?? i m really disappointed tht these CVs r also taking gheesa-peeta route.. i was expecting smthing unique frm them..

I feel that CVs r preparing for Astha-Shlok separation track..even though the divorce dsnt take place, Astha will leave Shlok n Agni mansion once she brings out the true face of Aditi in front of everyone..today CVs showed tht Aditi s some imposer n not real Aditi..it seems tht this Aditi might hv kidnapped real Aditi n forcing Ajinkya to do as she says...

Also Astha s being pushed to extreme now..Shlok s not trusting her..further he declared tht it dsnt make any difference to him whether she stays or leaves..as per precap he s going to say tht she s an outsider..Astha seemed broken in precap..I so want Astha to build up a wall around her heart after this..show real face of Aditi to these blind ostriches called Agnihotris..show Shlok the mirror n leave tht damn Agni mansion nstart life afresh..Let Shlok realize tht its easy to break d trust bt its a hell of a job to regain broken trust..let him realize tht ppl in his life r not objects bt they too hv feelings..let him realise tht in his blind baba jaap s going to give him immense pain n push away all other ppl who rather love him unconditionally ..i want Shlok to be miserable n craving for Astha bt Astha giving a damn abt him now..enough of this..(saying this with a high risk of getting tomatos n chappals in return frm Shlok pankhas😉 pls maaf kar do.😆😆.)

Also if CVs r going to show NA involved in this whole Aditi drama, then i hv my reservations abt this true face of Aditi coming to forefront..coz CVs will not expose NA too soon..🤔..

Also tis Jyoti-Sid angle though enjoyable is very predictable..i hope Jyoti tells everything to him n comes out clean rather than making him fall for her n then getting to know abt her reality..I thing since he s a journalist time will come tht he will some how get associated with Varad n is media house n that will be d start of his connection with Agnihotris..

wonder how two innocent souls Astha n Sid bring havoc in Agnihotri mansion..😉


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Originally posted by: lachii

i think niranjan is controlling ajinkya and used him to introduce aditi to destroy aastha via shlok like you said, it seems real aditi is under aditi/niranjan's trap somewhere.

but one thing, if ajinkya and aditi are only business, then why did he ask aditi are you okay beta even when everybody had left the room

also aditi said she wants to kill shlok slowly, now niranjan would not want that, so is aditi double crossing niranjan then?


me to have the same doubt.

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