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Posted: 12 years ago
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Fathers have equal rights on children as of mothers No one denies that Mothers cannot decide fate of children alone thats why from this serial Gauri's example is given Gauri is no way justified Even if we are making guesses we are saying according to what is shown if she has aborted more chances are of it since she wanted to abort and Jagya does not even know about his child Gauri is completely wrong and does not deserve even apology from him in my opinion. If she has kept the baby chances are less for it since she and her parents are not the types to miss this golden opportunity to land in Singhs house and demand even rights on property then again she is culprit of both child and father Hiding the truth from child and father about each other 's existence and separating a child from a loving father for her own revenge is a sin in my book
I even say Meenu was wrong She should not have taken decision alone and she couldn't tell Anup in the 5 or 6 years he was with her after Shiv's birth ?Not fair

But in Ganga Ratan case is different Ganga never intended to snatch child from Ratan in fact she was quite happy when she was pregnant finally everyone will be happy with her but Ratan ? what he did? Married another woman and impregnated her and himself kept doing his monstrous works Ganga only did not want Mannu to end up someone like him and also they were planning to kill her once the child grows up a bit thus separating a child from his mother forever , and sidra is right Ratan's parents did call Mannu in one of episodes Manhoos aurat ki manhoos aulad . The all of a sudden love for him came out when Padma could not deliver a boy otherwise Padma was Ratan's parents dear one and Ganga and her child manhoos especially for Rat's mother

I really don't understand how Jagya's lawyer misguided Ratan but even if he did does that make Ratan have more rights on Mannu than Ganga that he should demand Mannu and Ganga should handover to him ? why? If Ratan saves Mannu 's life still why should Ganga give him Mannu? How he has upper hand on Mannu than her ? She gave birth to Mannu through a complicated pregnancy because of which her second pregnancy became life threatening too and more over the injustice Ratan did with her ? He only used to give her child to feed and rest keep him away from her, even tried to kill her thus full planning to separate child from her

Ratan's love for Mannu is not great father's love but he is a selfish person who only wants Mannu back because he is male heir of his family and he wants to satisfy his bruised ego Its not like he does not have any other child ? Does he even think about Padma's daughter? Padma running away from home was total justified because her daughter had no future in Rat's house

Ratan if really loves Mannu he won't be thinking two ways He will immediately run to save his child without anything in return that will be his true fatherly love but no so what good future Mannu has with this Ratan who if agreed to save life of his child because of his own personal gain ?

Singhs anger was justified They were disgusted on seeing his cruelty They expected he will have a little heart Any person in their place will be disgusted at Ratan



Edited by Hina- - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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I know why Gauri will always be wrong for some people. I gave her example just as a possibility - we do not know anything about what happened to Gauri and her pregnancy. But imagine one day Singhs know about Gauri's child suffering from cancer and Jagya requires to donate bone marrow - now Jagya is not a criminal, but Gauri may think he cannot be a good father to her child (for Gauri, Jagya was wrong, she knew she was the second wife, he cruelly left his first wife for her, now when she will see the third wife, will she believe that Jagya has redeemed?) - what will Singhs do in such a case? They will also want the child - Jagya's first born.
In Ganga's case, she suffered too much and fled with the child to save herself - if she thinks Rat is not a good father - she is justified. However, Rat married another woman before knowing Ganga's pregnancy - we do not know what he or his parents would have done if the pregnancy was known before the second marriage. After all Basant also changed after Gahna got pregnant. When I said Jagya's lawyer misguided Rat that means he has the right of review - it does not mean he has more right over Mannu than Ganga.But he is not wrong if he wants Mannu's custody.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: leavesandwaves

Mannu's case is different from ganga's as cancer requires a lot of after care and immunity treatments so that the system wont go into relapse.
Hope they show certain things realistically than showing that mannu has just underwent a minor operation like removing tonsils.
Meanwhile mannu looks rather baffled by all the people surrounding him and saying serious things.


Cancer, in certain cases require lifelong care (tests, medicines etc.). But it is difficult to imagine creatives will show even this thing rationally. Even in Ganga's case - whosoever has undergone a complicated pregnancy and childbirth will know that it is not possible to start even climbing stairs within two-three days of operation - they did show just that - Ganga's room is upstairs and she was not even confined to her room post delivery - like it is practice in rural areas even in normal deliveries to make the new mother rest for at least one month.

Mannu's reactions seem natural. Any child in his position will feel baffled - he does not know what his illness means.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: SPuja


In Ganga's case, she suffered too much and fled with the child to save herself - if she thinks Rat is not a good father - she is justified. However, Rat married another woman before knowing Ganga's pregnancy - we do not know what he or his parents would have done if the pregnancy was known before the second marriage. After all Basant also changed after Gahna got pregnant. When I said Jagya's lawyer misguided Rat that means he has the right of review - it does not mean he has more right over Mannu than Ganga.But he is not wrong if he wants Mannu's custody.



The director had shot Jagya-Ratan-lawyer scenes in a rush, they hurriedly shown that Ratan bowed down to Jagya's lawyer. I don't think Jagya's lawyer had misguided Ratan, he simply talked in favor of his client, nothing stopped Ratan to hire a lawyer and fight the case. But the case would anyways have gone in favor of Ganga. Ratan is not technically wrong if he wants Mannu's custody, but his intentions are definitely wrong, he is not thinking of the welfare of child.


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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: tellygeek



The director had shot Jagya-Ratan-lawyer scenes in a rush, they hurriedly shown that Ratan bowed down to Jagya's lawyer. I don't think Jagya's lawyer had misguided Ratan, he simply talked in favor of his client, nothing stopped Ratan to hire a lawyer and fight the case. But the case would anyways have gone in favor of Ganga. Ratan is not technically wrong if he wants Mannu's custody, but his intentions are definitely wrong, he is not thinking of the welfare of child.



We know just what they did show. At that time, I did not feel it wrong - it is just an afterthought (at that time, I thought it is better to show the correct way of adoption), because Rat appears to be illiterate and perhaps does not know that he has to consult his lawyer before deciding such a case. What was in the episode - made it look like he was misguided - because the situation changed with his wife's remarriage. Welfare of child is subjective - Ganga may think on her side and Rat on his side - just like Basant's mother thought only from her side - she thought her son will turn out to be good man if he stays with Kalyani- but she was proved wrong - Basant was not a good man and even now he has very short temper.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Puja, Mannu's welfare is more important here than anything else, because he is a toddler and needs to be cared for delicately.
You are right when you say, should Ratan just give his BM for transplantation and not even expect to get his son back to soothe his fatherly feelings. Yes from Rat's POV it is giving up too much as a father and not get anything.
But we haven't seen furture episodes. I am sure if Ratan is kind enough to donate BM with right intentions, then JaGan too will be kind enough and give him visting rights. But Ratan can't be given more than that even if he is the father / saviour. Simply because Mannu's welfare is in question.
Hypothetically let's assume that after Mannu gets well and Ratan files a case to get his custody, will court approve it? It doesn't matter how Rat / Ganga think about Mannu's wlefare or how emotional they feel about losing Mannu to their ex-spouse, court will only see what is best for Mannu's welfare.
As per current scenario, Mannu's welfare lies with Singhs.
As bitter it may sound, unfortunately Ratan Singh will not get anything more than visiting rights at that this stage, even if he was Mannu's saviour.
About, can Ratan be a good father? Yes he may be, if redeemed, but currently it doesn't seem that his morals will ever change. But if they do and if he can prove that to courts, then yes, tables may turn for him.
In the other examples of MS or Anoop, they only got to know about their child's existence when their children were almost 30 & 40 years. Those fathers couldn't do much and there was no scope of taking custody of already grown up adults. So they accepted it as fate. The mothers were surely wrong.
Rat lost his child because of his arrogant ways of living, poor morals and criminal past, not because J's lawyer tricked him.
Edited by Missesha - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Puja, on the hypothetical situation of Ja-Ga, if G1 ever came looking for J to donate his BM, and J finds about his child, he would have rights to claim his child.
But even in that case court will see and understand who of the two parents will provide better welfare to that child.
We don't know what happened with G, but for argument sake let's say that G married another man who is a loving father to J's son and she may also have another child with him. Both children are happy, family is good, parents are wealthy and J's child really loves his mom and step-dad, will then J just get rights over his child just beacuse G hid the info from him?
Much as Singhs may want to have J's first born back, court may just declare that the child can stay with his mom, but J can have visting rights.
It's unfortunate with some fathers of BV and the mothers have been wrong in taking single-handed decisions, but Ganga as a mother has got M's custody rightfully and Ratan is responsible for his own loss.
Edited by Missesha - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Missesha

Puja, Mannu's welfare is more important here than anything else, because he is a toddler and needs to be cared for delicately.

You are right when you say, should Ratan just give his BM for transplantation and not even expect to get his son back to soothe his fatherly feelings. Yes from Rat's POV it is giving up too much as a father and not get anything.
But we haven't seen furture episodes. I am sure if Ratan is kind enough to donate BM with right intentions, then JaGan too will be kind enough and give him visting rights. But Ratan can't be given more than that even if he is the father / saviour. Simply because Mannu's welfare is in question.
Hypothetically let's assume that after Mannu gets well and Ratan files a case to get his custody, will court approve it? It doesn't matter how Rat / Ganga think about Mannu's wlefare or how emotional they feel about losing Mannu to their ex-spouse, court will only see what is best for Mannu's welfare.
As per current scenario, Mannu's welfare lies with Singhs.
As bitter it may sound, unfortunately Ratan Singh will not get anything more than visiting rights at that this stage, even if he was Mannu's saviour.
About, can Ratan be a good father? Yes he may be, if redeemed, but currently it doesn't seem that his morals will ever change. But if they do and if he can prove that to courts, then yes, tables may turn for him.
In the other examples of MS or Anoop, they only got to know about their child's existence when their children were almost 30 & 40 years. Those fathers couldn't do much and there was no scope of taking custody of already grown up adults. So they accepted it as fate. The mothers were surely wrong.
Rat lost his child because of his arrogant ways of living, poor morals and criminal past, not because J's lawyer tricked him.


In the three examples of Anup, MS and Rat - Anup suffered the most and Rat the least - it is another matter that they did not show Anup even thinking that something wrong was done to him. I thought of making this post during Shiv's track, but somehow could not. Rat's name was included just because of current track and Jagya's imaginary situation because I know that a lot of people will not want to agree about injustice done to Rat because he is a criminal. But in courts, even criminals are allowed to present their point - that was somehow never shown by creatives.

Regarding bold above - if the lawyer had not tricked him - Rat would have refused to sign the adoption papers - and the cakewalk given to Jagya during adoption process would not have happened. Jagya could still win the case if it went to court - but at least injustice would not have been done to the biological father. Same thing was during divorce - the divorce was not with mutual consent - Rat even leveled allegations about Jagya- Ganga relationship - but no investigation, nothing about reasons of divorce was shown. Giving divorce for attack on badi haveli is laughable.

@blue - I agree, but they avoid showing something logical and for this lapse, we can criticize the creatives.

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