Mad Ramblings of a Sleep Deprived Mind

RR is assumedly now become this dark intense family oriented love story No quibbles about family it is the pervading flavor here currently But the way I see it ST probably originally conceptualized the love story as a emotionally color blind lover/husband in a relationship with 2 women one with which supposedly he has absolutely no feelings for and is purely physical ( which to me sounds a bit of an oxymoron for he feels enough to seek her out only exclusively instead of just finding relief in any woman) and with the other metaphysical bordering on soul mate connection a smorgasbord of unfamiliar alien sensations assailing him for the first time but is too obdurate to accept So there would have been quite a bit of sexual frisson and romps every time he fought for his feelings and we did see that initially he went to Laila to seek release and guess the TRP feedback put an end to that track or who knows they may just try it once or twice Never can predict

I am just wondering since RR anyway requires a huge suspension of disbelief almost to the point of belief to enjoy watching what if the roles were reversed Would people be game to watch a serial in which a young girl repeatedly sleeps with her paramour because she was falling in love with her husband

This is not meant to be feminist so please don't label me that This is just a query on what we perceive as intense love stories

My POV I am a Grinch here and in real life a bit of a cynic but deep inside buried under 7 tons of concrete lies a heart and it beats for mushy romance in a serial and the last thing I would want to see especially after marriage is the story of a philandering husband sleeping with his mistress again and again to prove a point i.e. to forget that he is falling in love with his chaste wife who will remain at home piously praying for his reformation whilst nurturing the needs of his family If I liked that sort I am sure if I ask around my mum and neighbours would recommend dozens of regional movies portraying Husband worship and the ends to which the wife will go to protect her mangalsutra and marriage A classic example Silappatikaram an epic in Tamil Literature that had a story on similar but not identical lines and her husband was in the enthrals of a court dancer and in the end the city got burned down because of the wife's chastity Makes for a great read ( I hated it ) as do the FF written here based on that theme ( I liked them because the other woman equation was written out quickly yes I am small-minded 😃 ) but do I want it replicated on my screen on a weekly basis No!

And as for my other query no matter how much I strongly feel and support actively vocally and verbally over women's economic social sexual and legal empowerment Freedom of Choice etc that sort of story is also not up my alley call me old fashioned fuddyduddy conservative but I like my fictional love story characters just like my liquor straight up with an occasional twist to make my life interesting

Please do share your thoughts and see what a break and insomnia can do I come up with mundane mumblings that sound like utter twaddle

Oh yes remarks like don't get your nightie into a knottie relax chill RR is the best is not something I am looking for it is not about the current scenarios but a hypothesis

You write really well even though sleep deprived😉.

I am not responding from any idea of feminism either but I will say that if the heroine of my serial ended up, Ekta Kapoor style, married to another man while pining for the first lover she had to leave behind, sacrifice herself etc etc, my immediate take is--get over it, woman.

Honor the fact that for whatever reason, you ended up with a different man than the one you are in love with--whether or not you've been blackmailed into it, or sacrificed yourself for it, this man is your husband now. Try and make it work. This is why Kumund, from SarasChandraWhatever gets a pass from me no matter how insufferable I find her onscreen--because when she was made to marry another man than the Great White One--she TRIED to make it work, to be a good wife, to be a good daughter-in-law. I respected that. And when her alcoholic husband croaked, I was rooting for her returning to the ever suffering Saras.

So, for me, the point where something becomes "adultery" is after marriage. I find myself reacting this way whether the star crossed lovers were a couple I initially rooted for, and who I cared about. But if they miss the boat, so to speak, because of circumstances, God, the villian/vamp--whatever--they've made a choice. They have chosen to leave one, and move on with another,

But when these old lovers, clutching their respective wives/husbands now exchange heated looks across a room, I'm disgusted, and not angsty and pained by the "dard" of their ishq. I think--what the hell did you think was going to happen, you fools? Marriage is not a game, you morons! reap what you sow. And then, I merrily go on to support the Vamp/Villian's side. I LIKE them being forced even further apart--because they were dumb enough to FALL apart in the first place.

Shows like Pavitra Rishta, with Arjun/Purvi, for example, simply lost me the second the girl "gives' her man up. He's not an old shalwar suit she hands to her sister! He's supposed to be someone she is connected to, so much so she can feel his emotions. And so, Purvi, in my opinion deserves every single damn thing that happens to her after she treats her love like a used tissue--for me, that's Karma. And Karma, like me, is a bitch.

Why am I talking about this? because Rudra visiting Laia post marriage for me is just as much a betrayal, even more so, perhaps, since there was no "soul connection." You married someone, for whatever reason. Presumably, in RR, the reason is Rudra's own. No amount of confused feelings, no amount of childhood flashbacks will get me to on board with what is adultery with a mistress. Laila can Vamp it, cause misunderstandings, side with Tejawat, shoot Paro, marry Sumer and come in for some rubbing up against the Major in the Haveli kitchen. But she should not be thrusting some lovely boobs in the air, fixing her choli after a ride on the Rudra train once he's married to Paro.

Once he is married (and I don't want them married for a LONG LONG time--I really hope the CVs come up with another way of keeping Paro in Rudra's life instead of the hate-marriage chestnut) he should hate Paro, hurt her, be a total bas***d---hell, he can let her sleep outside next to his pool, as he sleeps on a recliner borrowed from "another" show--but he should keep it in his (bulging) pants. And that bulge had better be there because of the tithliya, not the snake.


Guess I'm a TRP Aunty, huh??

hey swati 🤗

Originally posted by: prettypri

You write really well even though sleep deprived😉.

In the current story of RR such as it is as you point out the guy has been in a physical relationship or so he says with the same woman for 8 long years and of late although he has been regularly spewing dialogs like she has no right on him and he didn't commit there are signs that she was a friend...a person he spoke to...etc...signs of some kind of bond definitely!

And this is a guy whose feelings are supposedly dead...buried deep...by the abandonment of his mother!

Still he hasn't been shown as getting physical with his paramour atleast since he decided to get married...maybe in deference to TRP! And personally I would hope he stays away even after marriage ...forced or not...as this is a love story and even if he reforms himself because of his wife the fact that he was with another woman would not go away...even though it's within his character sketch that has been portrayed so far...to do so...! And just to prove to himself that he is not falling for his wife if he does go to the woman he had not committed to for so long...he is setting himself up for more trouble!

So the opposite scenario...a young girl sleeping with her paramour so that she doesn't fall in love...can't say that it's one that I have ever thought of..! Because we have only ever seen all white pure chaste heroines in TV shows and even the grey ones were never so bold!

So if this young girl were to find true love I would hope that she would actually embrace it wholeheartedly and not risk losing it because she doesn't want to accept it!

It's unfair but true that stories of rogue or damaged men finding acceptance and a good woman to love are far more than the opposite so I don't think that I personally would like to see such a story!

I would hope a woman would listen to her emotions more than a man can be expected to and so not damage her own happiness that way!

Hope I make sense!😆

Thanks Pri 😳
I used to write a whole lot better but this is a start anyway and thanks for the kind words
So we are all like Napster wrote TRP aunties I have no issues over his virginity or lack of it but I will have a problem with his chastity post marriage

Laila I feel is a more powerfully written character than Paro probably because the makers wanted to establish her strong presence in his life and why she got antagonistic later I also feel the interrogation track came to an abrupt end due to the TRP They did not spend tons of money on that cell with the mirror and hardly use it I think it must have been during that phase that he may have been going back and forth like a pendulum between the 2 especially when Paro reacts in ways he did not expect and had no control over and probably at then end of it they may have shown him distancing with Laila physically although not socially
That track ended on a very rapid note and I think we did not get to some of the scenes that were publicized in the stills
I agree it would be more trouble if he did continue with his extra marital affair for that is what the relationship would be categorized as now and he has no right to use Laila in his tussle with Paro It would really be leading her on not to mention cheating on Paro whether he hates or loves or what
Funnily even in western soap sagas although they show the women and men change partners like they change their clothes and I don't mean this in a sanctimonious way but the sexual depiction of characters is pretty open and reflective of what audience want to see as well but 2 timing is something rarely depicted unless she/he is an out and out despicable character
So looks like none of us have come of age to watch a woman also have such a relationship on screen Hmm interesting
THank you for replying Lets see when I cross the limits of incoherency and start to babble in my replies today 😆

Originally posted by: napstermonster

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="2">I am not responding from any idea of feminism either but I will say that if the heroine of my serial ended up, Ekta Kapoor style, married to another man while pining for the first lover she had to leave behind, sacrifice herself etc etc, my immediate take is--get over it, woman.

Honor the fact that for whatever reason, you ended up with a different man than the one you are in love with--whether or not you've been blackmailed into it, or sacrificed yourself for it, this man is your husband now. Try and make it work. This is why Kumund, from SarasChandraWhatever gets a pass from me no matter how insufferable I find her onscreen--because when she was made to marry another man than the Great White One--she TRIED to make it work, to be a good wife, to be a good daughter-in-law. I respected that. And when her alcoholic husband croaked, I was rooting for her returning to the ever suffering Saras.

So, for me, the point where something becomes "adultery" is after marriage. I find myself reacting this way whether the star crossed lovers were a couple I initially rooted for, and who I cared about. But if they miss the boat, so to speak, because of circumstances, God, the villian/vamp--whatever--they've made a choice. They have chosen to leave one, and move on with another,

But when these old lovers, clutching their respective wives/husbands now exchange heated looks across a room, I'm disgusted, and not angsty and pained by the "dard" of their ishq. I think--what the hell did you think was going to happen, you fools? Marriage is not a game, you morons! reap what you sow. And then, I merrily go on to support the Vamp/Villian's side. I LIKE them being forced even further apart--because they were dumb enough to FALL apart in the first place.

Shows like Pavitra Rishta, with Arjun/Purvi, for example, simply lost me the second the girl "gives' her man up. He's not an old shalwar suit she hands to her sister! He's supposed to be someone she is connected to, so much so she can feel his emotions. And so, Purvi, in my opinion deserves every single damn thing that happens to her after she treats her love like a used tissue--for me, that's Karma. And Karma, like me, is a bitch.

Why am I talking about this? because Rudra visiting Laia post marriage for me is just as much a betrayal, even more so, perhaps, since there was no "soul connection." You married someone, for whatever reason. Presumably, in RR, the reason is Rudra's own. No amount of confused feelings, no amount of childhood flashbacks will get me to on board with what is adultery with a mistress. Laila can Vamp it, cause misunderstandings, side with Tejawat, shoot Paro, marry Sumer and come in for some rubbing up against the Major in the Haveli kitchen. But she should not be thrusting some lovely boobs in the air, fixing her choli after a ride on the Rudra train once he's married to Paro.

Once he is married (and I don't want them married for a LONG LONG time--I really hope the CVs come up with another way of keeping Paro in Rudra's life instead of the hate-marriage chestnut) he should hate Paro, hurt her, be a total bas***d---hell, he can let her sleep outside next to his pool, as he sleeps on a recliner borrowed from "another" show--but he should keep it in his (bulging) pants. And that bulge had better be there because of the tithliya, not the snake.


Guess I'm a TRP Aunty, huh??</font>

I am so phangurling you at this moment I wish I could write like you
Hola Napster
Hmm I did watch for about a month SC but found its pace to slow but did randomly keep in touch via written updates and trolled the forum (all because I loved SLB work in the opera Padmavati and hoped for a miracle that would bring me back to see it again) and I have to agree even I felt the same she did her best given the circumstances I have stopped reading updates post marriage though She got her man bas

You really have a streak of wickedness in you FLG FLS laubs that 👍🏼 I don't feel sorry for ever sacrificing protagonists as well although my television experience of desi TV has been limited read IPK start to finish but I have seen randomly snippets of the regional soaps my mum watches and at times I have actually wanted to step inside the TV screen and wallop the female lead across her face for her priggish self righteousness and need to attain martyrdom I did ask my mother how could she watch this sort of regressive dribble to which she smiled and said its just a story and not my life Ouch

No idea about Pavitra Rishta but loved your take on Rudra and RR brilliantly put and the last bit yes it should be for the Titliya nothing or should I say no one else will do

Surprisingly I am watching a serial at 11 and I am really enjoying the games being played Now if someone had mentioned 2 years back that I would be watching an Ekta drama with great interest I would have told them have they gone mad and look at me today a sell out

And oh yes from the looks of it I too am a TRP aunty lets form a club 😃

Originally posted by: ttt1

hey swati🤗

on the other hand lets see

rudra doesnot as yet have any relevance for his marriage , except the witness thing

however we debate i personally feel it is not possible that it is only physical needs that connect him to laila

the concept of marriage and the commitment he has towards paro , or the feeling that he is wrong in continuing the relationship has to come from with in, and that will come only once he realizes he is married or falls in love with paro and that should keep him in the marriage

one more thing i feel is we are questioning whether rudra would want to continue the relationship ,we tend to neglect laila , what does she want , he didnot keep his word he said he doesnt believe in marriage , i dont think laila would want to continue the relationship either

that is in a real world

okay back to TV world , is it romantic

NO

will people want to watch it

NO

so basically i dont think they will have any such sequence

what i want to see is , rudra realizing his commitments towards paro , he may not be the regular soft spoken guy , but if you see he always kept his father close and took care of him even when he felt dilsher was responsible for ruining his child hood with his bitterness

he fullfilled his commitments , and truly be apologetic to laila , because he wronged her , said something didnt stand by it

it is not possible to fall in love with every body who loves you , but you definitely can appreciate it , i would want to see that

otherwise make the show complex and conflicting without thinking about right and wrong

but in that case the last thing i want to see is the cvs justifying rudra with his past or the bitterness dilsher opened in his heart

Hey T🤗
Wonderful reply and some thought provoking points
With laila there is a sense of camaraderie He has been shown sharing his thoughts eating at her place and even pissing her off with his request for clothes I really do think that ST did want to play on that angle of him going to Laila despite in a wedlock with Paro but probably TRP factor and the reluctance of the channel agreeing to pull of something grayish as this with the male lead actually seeking physical comfort may have lead to a change I think the TRP suffered when he was shown having a romp with Laila So a sexually active Male lead while does wonders for our imagination and FF it is a turn off for the TRP biddies of which sadly I am one now albeit an Aunty since I like my love stories monogamous
End of the day revenues matter and even a GEC like Colors who don't mind experimenting I think draw the line on adultery and marriage which is why I think they have shown Laila out for revenge

Laila may just have had a reality check and found the Rottweiler biting her keister a constant reminder of what she has lost and will definitely not be in a mood to accept defeat I have no problems of vampish games even near seduction with him saying no in the end but I draw the line at that and nothing more

One could argue how else will he know the difference if he did not spend time with both of them but then they should have shown him having some modicum of feelings for Laila so at least it would have been understandable but very off putting ( I may have gone of RR during that phase for sure) that it was a case of menage trois but without emotional involvement it just seems like a case of having your cake and eating it too and how many would like Rudra in that avatar

There are conflicted opinions about Laila and not owing her anything but to me he does he owes her closure Does not have to explain his equation with paro but he does need to end it decently for that will show his growth as a human being nothing more He does not have to shed a lovers tear just something for his conscience and like they stress on 8 years he needs to spend at the very least 8 seconds saying goodbye Nothing more

The rest will come as the story progresses but I have to admit RR shines only episodic wise but in terms of continuity and story line they are slipshod and many a time even I don't understand what they mean to convey and I come to IF to read the various posts to figure out but TRP audience will not so probably the emotional disconnect is a very good reason the TRP are not picking as they should

Originally posted by: FairyLiquidSoap

Thanks Pri 😳
I used to write a whole lot better but this is a start anyway and thanks for the kind words
So we are all like Napster wrote TRP aunties I have no issues over his virginity or lack of it but I will have a problem with his chastity post marriage

Laila I feel is a more powerfully written character than Paro probably because the makers wanted to establish her strong presence in his life and why she got antagonistic later I also feel the interrogation track came to an abrupt end due to the TRP They did not spend tons of money on that cell with the mirror and hardly use it I think it must have been during that phase that he may have been going back and forth like a pendulum between the 2 especially when Paro reacts in ways he did not expect and had no control over and probably at then end of it they may have shown him distancing with Laila physically although not socially
That track ended on a very rapid note and I think we did not get to some of the scenes that were publicized in the stills
I agree it would be more trouble if he did continue with his extra marital affair for that is what the relationship would be categorized as now and he has no right to use Laila in his tussle with Paro It would really be leading her on not to mention cheating on Paro whether he hates or loves or what
Funnily even in western soap sagas although they show the women and men change partners like they change their clothes and I don't mean this in a sanctimonious way but the sexual depiction of characters is pretty open and reflective of what audience want to see as well but 2 timing is something rarely depicted unless she/he is an out and out despicable character
So looks like none of us have come of age to watch a woman also have such a relationship on screen Hmm interesting
THank you for replying Lets see when I cross the limits of incoherency and start to babble in my replies today 😆