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@Fruitcustard_9

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Posted: 7 years ago

#11

Show Mai kuch acha dikhaya jayenga tabhi positivity milegi forum Mai. Alexander Ko jabardasti Bura ban rhe

Abhi poras faras pahuchaya , kal vo Bactria jayenga Alexander ke Peche , after seeing Bina logic ki story I m shocked that how come Puru dint reached Macedonia yet 2 meet olympia

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Priya

@Priya258

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Posted: 7 years ago

#12

Originally posted by: siyanu

I agree.. But the s forum k logo KO only neg dekhne Ki aadat h.. PR muje smj nhi aa RHA Ki Alex Sach me acha ta??? Don't say Ki hoga hi ya fr koi Suni sunayi baat. If u have literally read yoursealf of good deeds of alex, then tell me.. Plz, m tired of this negativity in the forum.
Koi achi baat krta hi nhi h show k baare me😭😡

Jo historians ne jaisa kaha waisa dikhaye toh zarur praise karege makers ko

Koi problem nai h

I don't think no one is claiming here alex was goody goody but jo facts h wo change nai hogi.

Ye jo dikha rehe h alex behaviour towards persian loyal ladies aisa toh historians me nai batayi ye makers ki apni history h

Av puru ka faras jana hi fiction h toh puru no great dikhane k liye wo alex ko bura dikhana chahte h so that we hate him taaki puru ki baat sach ho ki marne wala ab rakshak banne ka dhong kar raha h

Saaf saaf dikh raha h what makers wants to prove

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luckySnow

@luckySnow

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Posted: 7 years ago

#13

Originally posted by: siyanu

I agree.. But the s forum k logo KO only neg dekhne Ki aadat h.. PR muje smj nhi aa RHA Ki Alex Sach me acha ta??? Don't say Ki hoga hi ya fr koi Suni sunayi baat. If u have literally read yoursealf of good deeds of alex, then tell me.. Plz, m tired of this negativity in the forum.
Koi achi baat krta hi nhi h show k baare me😭😡/QUOTE]

why alexander is considered the greatest warrior...why so much attraction toward him? if he was evil nobody would have liked him...na suni sunai nahin documented history hai uski...plzz read...30000 se jyada books uspe...😊 also not only greek historians but world wrote about him...alsO Porus was a old man when he fought alexander

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sashashyam

@sashashyam

Sparkler

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Posted: 7 years ago

#14

My dear young friends,

I did not want to get into this debate as my fingers are beginning to hurt and seize up because of my rheumatoid arthritis. But it is an important one, and needs to be considered dispassionately and objectively, with no defensiveness towards anyone. So I am just copying below a post I had written on another thread today, and which probably is the reason for my fingers seizing up!😉

Do try and read it, and then think about it. Porus is clearly a labour of love, but that does not mean that it cannot be improved by abandoning set ploys and trying for objectivity.

Shyamala Aunty

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Look, folks, I have not seen a single Hindi historical which did not play havoc with history. And all the production houses claim that they did a lot of research. The only characters with whom they have not dared to tamper are Shivaji Maharaj and Maharana Pratap, for fear of the assured and violent reaction from their admirers.

In CAS, they showed that Ashoka was born in a village and raised there till he was 13, was noticed accidentally by Chanakya, and brought to Pataliputra. The fact is, and this has been put down in historical texts from that period and in Ashokan edicts, that he was born in the palace in Pataliputra and raised there. See what a huge distortion that was!

Here, with Puru. there is no historical evidence about him till he was an adult and an experienced king, who bravely stood up to Alexander and faced him on the battlefield in 326 BC. So it has been very easy for the producers to create a background and history for him which has nothing to do with any available facts.

Fair enough. But Purushottam was over 50 when he fought against Alexander, and two of his sons died in the battle. His daughter had been married off to Ambhikumar. He was NOT of the same age as Alexander but nearly 30 years older. All this niyatu judi huyi hai is fiction.

So is Alexander's unbelievable obsession with Bharat. There is nothing in the contemporary Greek accounts to support this thesis. He simply wanted to conquer the whole world, only he did not know where it ended!😉 If he had known about China, he would have wanted to conquer that too. Never mind, and put it down to cinematic licence.

Then again, while I personally am bored by the lilywhite, impossibly good Puru - I am sure the real Purushottam was far more worldly; he is shown very well in the 1990 serial Chanakya - that is a decision of the makers, not to give him the slightest grey shades. Unki marzi, and as we know nothing definite about him, there is no way to prove them wrong.

But this does not hold good when it comes to Alexander, about whom there is a great deal of contemporary narrative, and later ones that drew on the contemporary ones. Neither they nor any others state that he was an angel or flawless in his character. He is a grey character, and the shades lighten or deepen depending on the situation. He should have been depicted as such, and Puru too more realistically, which would have made the story far more interesting, as was the script of Chanakya.

But in Porus, there has been, almost from the beginning, a systematic plan to make Alexander a dark, indeed black, not a grey character. I have discussed this in almost all my posts here, and anyone interested can take a look at them, they are only about half a dozen. I shall now cite the four worst examples of this kind of distortion, which are flatly contradicted by historical evidence from that period.

1) Showing Alexander killing the Pythia, the High Priestess of Delphi just because she was warning him against going to Bharat. This sequence is a distortion of an unbelievable degree. The Delphic Oracle, and thus its High Priestess, were so revered throughout the Hellenic world and even beyond that if Alexander had actually killed the Pythia, his soldiers, convinced that the wrath of the god Apollo would descend on them, would have refused point blank to follow him to Persia, or indeed anywhere else. He would, in effect, have been excommunicated.

Yes, contemporary Greek sources narrate that Alexander did visit the Oracle at Delphi before he set out on his campaign against Persia. This was in the winter of 335 BC, in November, to be precise. The Oracle, for unknown reasons, was silent and would not make prophecies again till February 334 BC. So Alexander, who needed a favourable prophecy to enthuse his 40000 plus troops, found that his demand, request, and even pleading would not work.

Predictably, his famous temper flared up, and he charged into the temple, grabbed the shocked Pythia, and dragged her to the sacred tripod, insisting on having his prophecy. Plutarch, the historian, narrates that thereupon, as if overcome by his ardour, she exclaimed : "Thou art invincible, my son!"

Phir to kya tha. Alexander ki to chaandi lag gayi. He promptly released her, saying that he desired no further prophecy as he had his answer, came out of the temple and told his anxious troops that the Pythia had said he would be invincible. They were all reassured and perked up, and he then led them on to the conquest of Persia.

Instead of this factual account, the script shows us Alexander murdering an old woman, that too a universally revered High Priestess of Apollo, because he did not like her prophecy about the need for him to stay out of Bharat!

Nor is there is any historical backing for this piece of natakiya rupantar, or "creative scripting, about Alexander being warned by the Delphic Oracle to stay away from India.

Why then this total fabrication, or to use a current term, fake news? Why, it is just part of the campaign to paint Alexander black, and make Puru stand out by contrast.

2) The raving and ranting of the assistant of the High Priestess after she mysteriously lands up in Paurav Rashtra incredibly quickly, and then spouts undiluted venom against Alexander and asks Puru to kill him.

Interestingly enough, while demonising Alexander with vim and vigour, she carefully omits to mention the way in which her boss, the High Priestess or the Pythia, actively encouraged him to have Philip assassinated, and also wanted him to be totally detached from and devoid of any softer emotions. It is only later that she has fresh visions, and changes her mind and her stand on his going to Bharat. Hiding all this in toto is some verbal sleight of hand! 😡 This purely imaginary exercise is a direct corollary of the first point.

3) The total omission of Sisygambis, the mother of Darius, who had been present at Issus and had met Alexander there. It is as if a major character who did much to shape Alexander's attitudes towards Persia had never existed! 😲

It has been narrated by innumerable contemporary and later Greek and Roman historians that Sisygambis loved Alexander far more than she cared for her son Darius- whom she in fact disowned and refused to mourn when he was finally killed by one of his former satraps. She loved him so much that she committed suicide when she received the news of his death.

If that relationship had been shown, no one, beginning with the CVs, could have seen what Alexander did for the Persian royal ladies as merely a political ploy to gain leverage against Darius, and also locate where he had hidden himself, the latter argument being totally illogical. What leverage would holding these women give Alexander against Darius, who cared so little for the women of his family that he took them to the battlefield and then abandoned them to Alexander 's mercy? He would not have cared what happened to them if if he could have salvaged half his empire and made such a deal with Alexander. He did make a pro forma request to get his family back, but the key factor for him was the half of his empire. No wonder his own mother despised him so much.

The CVs want to systematically darken Alexander's character, and they do not want to introduce any contrary evidence, whence the omission of Sisygambis. I never expected that!😲

4) Alexander was the first, and for centuries the only major conqueror who sought to assimilate the conquered peoples with his own Macedonians, encouraged inter-marriages with Persian ladies, and generally wanted to create a composite culture that would eradicate the hostility of centuries between them. His speech to the Persian populace at Issus encapsulates his approach to his conquered territories. But here, that, as also the generous way in which he treated the Persian royal ladies has, in the absence of Sisygambis, been presented as a hypocritical ploy, meant only as a bridging exercise till he could chase Darius down and eliminate him.

This is not just fake news, but it is also a great pity, for it reduces the story to a conflict between a black-hearted villain and an impossibly good-hearted hero. This is like a 1980s Hindi film. This is not what I watch Porus for.

Plus it plays at ducks and drakes with history at both ends, by sending Puru to Persia and now on to Bactria, whereas the fact is that he met Alexander only at the battle of the Hydaspes. And again by cutting out large chunks of the Alexander story, including his conquest of Egypt and Syria. Instead, they are fastforwarding his invasion of Bactria by fully 4 years, and are sending Puru and his Four Musketeers in hot pursuit!😕

This has turned out to be a much longer post than I had intended it to be, and it might try your patience. But I hope you will all give serious thought to what I have said here.

Shyamala Aunty

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sashashyam

@sashashyam

Sparkler

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Posted: 7 years ago

#15

Main Devaa ko tumhein uthane nahin doongi! Who will then be there to make me laugh out loud time and again, and make the day seem better?

This BurningTrain take is classic Ayesha, and side-splitting.👏👏

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: --BlackSheep--
Looking at the direction where the CVs are taking this Burning Train (for this is what it is) I can predict what might happen next -
1.Puru will follow Alex to Bactria and meet Roxy before him.
PurAna (Puru + Roxana) will form their bhai-behen ka rishta then and there.

2.Alex the dusht bhediya will marry Roxana by zabardasti and Puru will swear to rescue his behna from this dusht darinda

3.Alex will be a typical evil hubby but Puru Bhaiya Ki Behen Roxana will try her best to sudharo her pati parmeshwar

4.Just before the Battle of Hydaspes,Roxy will beg her bro Puru to spare Alex.Puru will lose the battle on purpose for his beloved behna

5.Ultimately Alex will see the light about how mahaan Puru is and Purana's bro sis bond will melt his heart like cassata ice cream.

Uthalo mujhe Devaaa🤢

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sashashyam

@sashashyam

Sparkler

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Posted: 7 years ago

#16

My dear Alaria,

Your PS was the main point that struck me after I had finished watching the Friday episode. I even thought of naming my post, to come up tomorrow, Alexander does a Holmes. Maybe I shall use this title in the end, I am not sure.

As for the kid, I agree with you, as you would have seen from my comments. But with a dash of uncertainty, for I do not trust this script at all when it comes to Alexander (the rest are mostly fictional characters, bar Puru).

OK, on thinking it thru, I think there will be no kiddie killing, for the sole reason that Alexander will be using every ploy he can cook up to trap the Bharatiya who is helping Barsine, and he would have jumped at the kid's rebellion - which he could not have anticipated - and turned the screw one more notch. But I think he is not aiming at breaking Barsine down, for how will that help him locate the Bharatiya? I think he expects that the Bharatiya will react himself and try to prevent the killing, and will thus expose his identity.

Incidentally, not only was that kid substantially overweight😉, but the language he used would never have been used by a child of that age. A teenager, yes. Not an 8 year old, which is what he looked.

The refreshing, and unprecented thing yesterday was that Puru does not fall into the cliched and predictable reactions of Hasti and the rest to the pair poshi demand, and instead makes a very sensible deduction about what Alexander is actually trying to do. There is hope for the boy yet!😉😉

Curiously, while reading about the resentment among his Macedonians towards the later Persianisation of Alexander, one key point was this pair poshi demand of his. There, it was mentioned that this was the traditional Persian style of obeisance to the emperor. If that was so, why is Barsine goggling for all she is worth, and showing the white of her eyes all around the irises? It does not suit her at all.

I am now shutting up shop for the day and resting my fingers. Bye for now.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: Alaria
You know, I'm not bothered about today's episode. Alexander won't kill that child. He's just pulling out the big guns to break Barsine. She has him royally ticked off😆 I'm just surprised Barsine actually spoke tonight. Woah! Lady does have a voice after all. I'm sure Porus won't be kissing Alexander's feet nor will the brave child die (I'm so proud of the kid). Barsine's will break down as Alex predicted or Puru & musketeers will manufacture some sort of distraction.
Yes, I despise the distortion, its clear attempt to taint Alexander's reputation, but I thoroughly enjoyed today's episode. Maybe because it's a rare treat to see Alexander receive so much screen time. We never know when CV's will snatch that from us.

Ps - It could have been a lot worse. CV's could have dumbed down Alexander's character, making him oblivious to everything. But nope - our Alex is few steps ahead of the game, still sharp as a blade. Thank you for not screwing that up CV's.

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Ashi

@Alaria

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Posted: 7 years ago

#17

Originally posted by: sashashyam
My dear Alaria,

Your PS was the main point that struck me after I had finished watching the Friday episode. I even thought of naming my post, to come up tomorrow, Alexander does a Holmes. Maybe I shall use this title in the end, I am not sure.

As for the kid, I agree with you, as you would have seen from my comments. But with a dash of uncertainty, for I do not trust this script at all when it comes to Alexander (the rest are mostly fictional characters, bar Puru).

OK, on thinking it thru, I think there will be no kiddie killing, for the sole reason that Alexander will be using every ploy he can cook up to trap the Bharatiya who is helping Barsine, and he would have jumped at the kid's rebellion - which he could not have anticipated - and turned the screw one more notch. But I think he is not aiming at breaking Barsine down, for how will that help him locate the Bharatiya? I think he expects that the Bharatiya will react himself and try to prevent the killing, and will thus expose his identity.

Incidentally, not only was that kid substantially overweight😉, but the language he used would never have been used by a child of that age. A teenager, yes. Not an 8 year old, which is what he looked.

The refreshing, and unprecented thing yesterday was that Puru does not fall into the cliched and predictable reactions of Hasti and the rest to the pair poshi demand, and instead makes a very sensible deduction about what Alexander is actually trying to do. There is hope for the boy yet!😉😉

Curiously, while reading about the resentment among his Macedonians towards the later Persianisation of Alexander, one key point was this pair poshi demand of his. There, it was mentioned that this was the traditional Persian style of obeisance to the emperor. If that was so, why is Barsine goggling for all she is worth, and showing the white of her eyes all around the irises? It does not suit her at all.

I am now shutting up shop for the day and resting my fingers. Bye for now.

Shyamala Aunty

Aunty, hello! Do take care of those fingers because I LOVE to read your perspective. I completely missed the kid's language. Now that you mention it..

Alexander does a Holmes is perfect. I love how quickly he caught on to Barsine's smile, how he walked in, took in the surrounding and immediately knew something was off. When the former queen seems to have distracted him away from the window, I wasn't disappointed. I knew he'd go back to inspect. And he did. Who says only Puru koi kam adhura nahi chodta? Alexander doesn't leave anything incomplete either.

I'm willing to tolerate a lot as long as they don't dumb down Alexander. The day they do that, I'm done with the show. I have great respect for sharp minds and Alexander had a brilliant one, even Puru mentioned it. Don't mess with that.

You aren't the only one sick of seeing Barsine's entire eyeball, aunty. Count me in too.

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