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Why was there a fight 2 get hold of alexander's dead body. Did his dead body dint reached Macedonia ?

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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: deepikagupta9

Why was there a fight 2 get hold of alexander's dead body. Did his dead body dint reached Macedonia ?

I don't think it reached... Bcoz oracle said he won't come back from India.

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Oracle said he will not die but he died, forget oracle its a frictional character.
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I don't think it reached... Bcoz oracle said he won't come back from India.

Oracle was fictional stupid character...also he didn't die in India but in Babylon...fights happened over his dead body because whoever possessed his body was declared emperor of the world
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Alexander the Great died in Babylon, and the exact location of his tomb is still not settled. I have seen the tomb of his father Philip at Vergina in northern Greece, when I was posted in Yugoslavia at our Belgrade Embassy, but not that of Alexander the Great.

The earlier assumption was that it is in Egypt, where he was acknowledged as the Pharaoh, whether in Alexandria, the coastal city he founded, or in the oasis at Siwa, in the desert, where the Oracle of Siwa had declared that he was the son of Zeus Ammon.

His generals all sought to lay claim to his body in the belief that having it interred in their respective kingdoms would bring them part of his glory and the protection of his divine father, Zeus.

There was the same sort of tussle between several kings in 6th century BC north India, for the possession of the lion's share of the Lord Buddha's bones and ashes.

I found a fascinating article on the Ancient History website on this topic which would interest all of you. It is at

http://www.ancient-origins.net/news-history-archaeology/tomb-alexander-great-already-found-archaeologist-claims-1020180

But there is also a counterclaim that the remains of Alexander the Great, Roxanne and Alexander IV, their son, are buried in a tomb at Vergina, near the one that I was told, in 1987, was the tomb of King Philip. This article is at

http://tdpapazois.gr/en/study/

If the tomb is indeed there, I missed a golden opportunity of seeing it!

So there it is. You can take your pick: Egypt or Greece! But do try and read both the articles, they are very interesting and the pictures are gorgeous. Unfortunately, the quality of the
English translation, from the Greek, of the second article is very bad. Nonetheless, one can make out the meaning.

It is not surprising that Greece, whatever the Greeks of Alexander's times thought of the Macedonians, wants to claim now that his final resting place is in Greece, for the Greeks have long since decided to "annex" Alexander as one of their own!😉

Shyamala Aunty

PS: The Oracle at Delphi existed and was renowned throughout the ancient world. The High Priestess, seated on a tripod over a crack in the rock through which fumes emerged, supposedly from the centre of the earth, went into a trance and spoke what the Oracle, which was the voice of the Sun God Apollo, told her to say.

She was not the Oracle, as was shown here. She never left the Delphi temple either, and all those who wanted to consult the Oracle of Delphi had to go there. Delphi is on a mountain top I have been there- and there is a magnificent amphitheatre besides the temple of Apollo.





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Originally posted by: sashashyam

Alexander the Great died in Babylon, and the exact location of his tomb is still not settled. I have seen the tomb of his father Philip at Vergina in northern Greece, when I was posted in Yugoslavia at our Belgrade Embassy, but not that of Alexander the Great.


The earlier assumption was that it is in Egypt, where he was acknowledged as the Pharaoh, whether in Alexandria, the coastal city he founded, or in the oasis at Siwa, in the desert, where the Oracle of Siwa had declared that he was the son of Zeus Ammon.

His generals all sought to lay claim to his body in the belief that having it interred in their respective kingdoms would bring them part of his glory and the protection of his divine father, Zeus.

There was the same sort of tussle between several kings in 6th century BC north India, for the possession of the lion's share of the Lord Buddha's bones and ashes.

I found a fascinating article on the Ancient History website on this topic which would interest all of you. It is at

http://www.ancient-origins.net/news-history-archaeology/tomb-alexander-great-already-found-archaeologist-claims-1020180

But there is also a counterclaim that the remains of Alexander the Great, Roxanne and Alexander IV, their son, are buried in a tomb at Vergina, near the one that I was told, in 1987, was the tomb of King Philip. This article is at

http://tdpapazois.gr/en/study/

If the tomb is indeed there, I missed a golden opportunity of seeing it!

So there it is. You can take your pick: Egypt or Greece! But do try and read both the articles, they are very interesting and the pictures are gorgeous. Unfortunately, the quality of the
English translation, from the Greek, of the second article is very bad. Nonetheless, one can make out the meaning.

It is not surprising that Greece, whatever the Greeks of Alexander's times thought of the Macedonians, wants to claim now that his final resting place is in Greece, for the Greeks have long since decided to "annex" Alexander as one of their own!😉

Shyamala Aunty

PS: The Oracle at Delphi existed and was renowned throughout the ancient world. The High Priestess, seated on a tripod over a crack in the rock through which fumes emerged, supposedly from the centre of the earth, went into a trance and spoke what the Oracle, which was the voice of the Sun God Apollo, told her to say.

She was not the Oracle, as was shown here. She never left the Delphi temple either, and all those who wanted to consult the Oracle of Delphi had to go there. Delphi is on a mountain top I have been there- and there is a magnificent amphitheatre besides the temple of Apollo.






No his tomb hasn't been found yet...Archelogists around the world are still tryingvto find him...but govt of Egypt Greece and Macedonia are concealing his tomb according to one of the archaeologist who believed to have found the tomb...govt fears that nationalists sentiments might get evoked if the tomb is found...Macedonia and Greece are still at war with each other over his ancestry

http://www.ancient-origins.net/news-history-archaeology/tomb-alexander-great-already-found-archaeologist-claims-1020180

https://m.theepochtimes.com/an-ancient-mystery-where-is-alexander-the-greats-tomb_1302004.html
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King, warrior, uniter, conqueror, these words are often used to describe the man known as Alexander the Great of Macedonia, who at a young age set out to conquer the known world and, before the age of 33, nearly succeeded.

"My son, ask for thyself another kingdom. For that which I leave is too small for thee, were words spoken to Alexander the Great by his father Phillip II, King of Macedonia, according to "The New Student's Reference Work Volume I.

His funeral preparations supposedly lasted two years and were followed by an extensive procession.
He became king at the young age of 20 upon his father's assassination at the wedding of Alexander's sister in 336 B.C. Within two years Alexander would forcibly unite Greece and begin his conquest of Asia. The Persian Empire soon fell, and Egypt was next. There he would create the great city of Alexandria. He conquered and established Macedonian colonies in Iran as he headed toward India. He overthrew northern India and spared the Indian King Porus.

His funeral preparations supposedly lasted two years and were followed by an extensive procession. At the far reaches of the known world, his armies refused to press forward, and Alexander started his return trip. During his return, he was in the preliminary stages of planning a campaign toward the west, which included Rome and Carthage. However, he contracted a fever and died in Babylon on June 10, 323 B.C.; he was 32 years old.

Alexander the Great visits the tomb of Achilles, but we cannot visit his tomb. This painting is by Giovanni Paolo Panini. (Public domain/ Wikimedia Commons)Alexander the Great visits the tomb of Achilles, but we cannot visit his tomb. This painting is by Giovanni Paolo Panini. (Public domain/ Wikimedia Commons)

So, where is his final resting place?

Unfortunately, no one knows for sure. At some point, Ptolemy, Alexander's general and future king of Egypt (305 B.C.) took control of Alexander's body.

"Alexander's body was taken to Memphis by Ptolemy, into whose power Egypt had fallen, and transferred from there a few years later to Alexandria, where every mark of respect continues to be paid to his memory and his name, according to Ancient Roman historian Curtius Rufus, in "Histories of Alexander the Great.

A later descendent of Ptolemy, Ptolemy Philopator, may have moved Alexander's remains again, placing them in a communal mausoleum with the other Ptolemaic predecessors. This could have occurred somewhere between 222 and 205 B.C.

Several Roman emperors reported visiting Alexander's tomb. Octavian, future emperor Augustus, reportedly visited the tomb in 30 B.C. paying his respects with flowers and placing a golden diadem (crown) upon his mummified head.

The last alleged visit was by Roman Emperor Caracalla in A.D. 215. Since then, the location of the third tomb has been lost to history.

Looking for the Tomb

Many organizations continue to look for the lost tomb of Alexander. One group is the Polish Center of Mediterranean Archaeology. The group, however, was the subject of an Internet hoax last summer, when some Internet news agencies reported that the group discovered the missing tomb in downtown Alexandria, according to theCairo Post.

In 2008, Pennsylvania State University researchers announced that a tomb in the northern Greek village of Vergina was that of Alexander the Great's half-brother Philip III Arrhidaeus, according to National Geographic News. Among the artifacts discovered were a helmet, shield, and silver crown that the researchers believe could have belonged to Alexander himself as his brother supposedly claimed these items after Alexander's death.

This past fall, scientists confirmed at the Archaeological Museum of Thessaloniki that bones found in the two-chambered tomb discussed above were those of Alexander the Great's father King Phillip II, according to Discovery News.

The search for Alexander the Great's tomb continues. But, unfortunately, the resting place has changed many times throughout history and ancient city landscapes have been covered over, changed, and lost to the ages. However, the remains of his family as well as artifacts that he likely used in life are known to present scientists, and these bring the legend closer to real life. Perhaps one day his final resting place will once again be a place people can visit to pay their respects to the man who nearly ruled the world.

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alexander's dead body dint reached macedonia ???? 2 his mother, i hears it was preserved in honey
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I have not stated anywhere that his tomb has been definitely found. In fact I have clearly noted that "the exact location of his tomb is still not settled."

What I had pointed out was that there are at present two main claimants, of which the first, in Egypt, is in a state of suspense, as the final chamber has not been opened. The second is a clear cut claim re: the Tomb II at Vergina in northern Greece.

You would also have noticed that the first article that I had mentioned in the same as the first one you are citing now, the one about the halting of the excavation of the tomb at the oasis of Siwa. The points you have mentioned are from that article.

I find this nationalism argument advanced by the Greek Ministers very strange. Alexander is today claimed by the Greeks. Why should his tomb being found in Egypt make any difference to that?

As for Macedonia today, it is an independent country that was part of Yugoslavia formerly. It is not the whole of the former Macedonia of Alexander's times, part of which has been annexed by Greece.

I shall read the second article that you have flagged with great interest.

Shyamala Cowsik

PS: I now see that you have copied the text in your second post. It is revealing, wrt the welter of confusion surrounding his remains. Not to worry, his fame is undying and as glorious as ever.

The author of the second article speaks of Alexander "overthrowing north India"! I suppose he meant northwestern India. He did not even cross the Ganga, so the rest of north India was untouched by his army.


Originally posted by: luckySnow

No his tomb hasn't been found yet...Archelogists around the world are still tryingvto find him...but govt of Egypt Greece and Macedonia are concealing his tomb according to one of the archaeologist who believed to have found the tomb...govt fears that nationalists sentiments might get evoked if the tomb is found...Macedonia and Greece are still at war with each other over his ancestry

http://www.ancient-origins.net/news-history-archaeology/tomb-alexander-great-already-found-archaeologist-claims-1020180

https://m.theepochtimes.com/an-ancient-mystery-where-is-alexander-the-greats-tomb_1302004.html

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Alexander the Great died in Babylon, and the exact location of his tomb is still not settled. I have seen the tomb of his father Philip at Vergina in northern Greece, when I was posted in Yugoslavia at our Belgrade Embassy, but not that of Alexander the Great.


The earlier assumption was that it is in Egypt, where he was acknowledged as the Pharaoh, whether in Alexandria, the coastal city he founded, or in the oasis at Siwa, in the desert, where the Oracle of Siwa had declared that he was the son of Zeus Ammon.

His generals all sought to lay claim to his body in the belief that having it interred in their respective kingdoms would bring them part of his glory and the protection of his divine father, Zeus.

There was the same sort of tussle between several kings in 6th century BC north India, for the possession of the lion's share of the Lord Buddha's bones and ashes.

I found a fascinating article on the Ancient History website on this topic which would interest all of you. It is at

http://www.ancient-origins.net/news-history-archaeology/tomb-alexander-great-already-found-archaeologist-claims-1020180

But there is also a counterclaim that the remains of Alexander the Great, Roxanne and Alexander IV, their son, are buried in a tomb at Vergina, near the one that I was told, in 1987, was the tomb of King Philip. This article is at

http://tdpapazois.gr/en/study/

If the tomb is indeed there, I missed a golden opportunity of seeing it!

So there it is. You can take your pick: Egypt or Greece! But do try and read both the articles, they are very interesting and the pictures are gorgeous. Unfortunately, the quality of the
English translation, from the Greek, of the second article is very bad. Nonetheless, one can make out the meaning.

It is not surprising that Greece, whatever the Greeks of Alexander's times thought of the Macedonians, wants to claim now that his final resting place is in Greece, for the Greeks have long since decided to "annex" Alexander as one of their own!😉

Shyamala Aunty

PS: The Oracle at Delphi existed and was renowned throughout the ancient world. The High Priestess, seated on a tripod over a crack in the rock through which fumes emerged, supposedly from the centre of the earth, went into a trance and spoke what the Oracle, which was the voice of the Sun God Apollo, told her to say.

She was not the Oracle, as was shown here. She never left the Delphi temple either, and all those who wanted to consult the Oracle of Delphi had to go there. Delphi is on a mountain top I have been there- and there is a magnificent amphitheatre besides the temple of Apollo.



Edited by sashashyam - 7 years ago
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That was apparently the way in which bodies were mummified in Babylon, where he died, using honey and wax.
The one thing that seems certain, amidst this welter of confusion about the location of his remains, is that they never reached Macedonia.

His wife Roxanne and his posthumously born son, Alexander IV, did go back there, but they were murdered when the boy was 12.

Shyamala Cowsik


Originally posted by: deepikagupta9

alexander's dead body dint reached macedonia ???? 2 his mother, i hears it was preserved in honey

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