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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Istila




Mohini & Orianthi, this may also be perceived as a derogatory & judgemental comment on others who have different opinions to you.

I have already posted above, it is not abuse or bashing. Laila has posted her views about Varun as well. Viewers can make critical remarks on actors and often do. As you make your POV then also respect others point of view.

Although I did not start this thread, I believe, all members have every right to protest & complain about actors & the characters they represent. It is not only about the characters they are playing but the immoral nature of the whole show and the continual immoral actions that these characters represent.

Everyone has the right to freely express their views about this without any qualms. We all have rights to express our concerns & judgements on a show & on actors if they persistently, reflect on bad choices and ill conduct.

If I need to eat, I don't have to steal from others, or sell my body, or work to destroy peoples beliefs, ethical & moral values. I don't call being induced into watching a stream of illicit affairs and dishonouring of family ethics & conventional values, a good source of entertainment, either.

There is no objective left for this show. If they had a storyline to follow then it would have been apparent what role these characters play. However, after all these months, there is no protagonist left in this show and if there is one suited for this purpose, the actor is sidelined and also pushed into an antagonist role.

I and others can't understand how any actor or actress can work lengthily in degrading shows which promote immorality & depict these senseless, shameless, unpleasant, illogical scenarios that defy all logic, social & societal norms, without pricking their conscious.

That is our POV.



What are u talking about? You are saying that Gulki should be ashamed because she is playing the role of Sugni? Only God can judge like that. U may not intend to be derogatory but what u are saying is. Ppl need to stop taking these shows so seriously and move on. If u don't like Sugni or the plot why bring Gulki into this? I like how ppl use the excuse of personal opinion when they want to unintentionally or intentionally attack a show or actor. I am not saying that u are bashing for spite but to a lot of us here it comes across like u are bashing Gulki. No one here has the right to say that that girl has no shame. U think it is easy to come for hours upon hours daily to shoot? Tv actors have some of the longest working hours.

U have a problem with the plot so message the Cvs, talk about them. Do not come on I.F. and say that the actor has no shame. That is not ok.
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Posted: 12 years ago
#62

Originally posted by: varunbadola1974

...Laila i speak on behalf of all actors here please keep a check on your fingers and brains while typing. to pontificate others is one of the easiest things to do...


Don't you think you are discrediting your viewers? Are you suggesting they don't know how to use their intelligence or be respectful? If this website belongs to you then please at least have the courtesy to label that Actors will post condescending remarks & make broad accusations or pass negative assumptions before fully reading posts.

Yes, I agree, that actors & CV's are both to blame, as both have a responsibility & viewers have the right to their view point.

If you only want positive views about the show and no criticisms then please block members and shut down this website, or keep robotic software that produces reams of self-compliments. (Like Adni supporters do 'marvellously')

If you need advice & help then your friends are all ready to help.


Edited by Istila - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Orianthi,

If you don't want to read or understand then I suggest you move on to something else instead of attacking.

If you want to criticize my posts by all means, but please clearly quote the sentence & give me the reference to what exactly you are referring to, instead of your broad generalisations. It's no point attacking members and blaming them for attacking actors when they are only expressing their beliefs & their views. If you want to post your POV go ahead but without naming and shaming other members. I have not derogated any forum member or actor. If you think my POV is derogatory then that is your problem.

Your beliefs about God's judgement will be different to mine. God did not forbid me to speak my mind about shamelessness. I don't think you have the right to be rude to tell members to leave IF just because you disagree with the posts.
Edited by Istila - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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@All

As an actor/actress its completely their wish to choose the characters they want to play. We as audience should remember its a fictional show not a reality.
I would request you all to calm down and not bash any actors or fellow forum members.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: ash_arti

@All


As an actor/actress its completely their wish to choose the characters they want to play. We as audience should remember its a fictional show not a reality.
I would request you all to calm down and not bash any actors or fellow forum members.


Ash Arti,

Who is forcing them not to play or act in their roles? We are simply expressing our views. They can simply refuse to listen and do what they want - who is preventing them? We are on IF and they are somewhere else.

If you think we are 'bashing' actors then you must give evidence of some sort. It is not fair if members are blamed for giving their views about actors or their skills or their shows this is what this forum is about - constructive criticism.

I clearly gave my own example as how this would be interpreted as shameful yet I am being blamed for 'bashing' Gulki which I have not done.

I'd also like to know if that is Varaun Badola's post is genuine or not? If actors are going to accuse members then members have the right to defend themselves.

If actors want members to respect them then equally they must respect us and our views as we accept their POV.

Respect goes both ways.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: varunbadola1974

WE ACTORS DON'T MAKE THE SHOW, WE JUST ACT IN IT. it is so very convenient for you all to say that the show should be shut. who ever ruined our story is a different issue, but someone who believed in his concept and put in crores to put together the show, according to you does not even have the right to earn his money back.

the actors let you down? did any of the actors send you an invitation to come watch the show? i don't think so. it was your choice and you can stop watching it by your choice.

in this world of competition it takes ages for good work to come your way and at times just basic work takes a life time to come to you. but for your whims and fancies we should leave the show and sit at home. and send our monthly bills to who? YOU?


See my post here:

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/69716563

Whatever work we do, even if acting, there is a fine line we all don't cross. Self respect & principles should never be bargained at any cost. Money isn't everything or above ethics & morals or good virtues.

Actors let their viewers down by the false hopes or expectations they give them. I agree people have options whether to watch or not to watch, just like people having choices whether to drink alcohol or not. In our religious beliefs, both the person who drinks alcohol and the one who sells it are both at fault & in sin. As in crime, the one who perpetrates and the one who is a partner or an accomplice in the act are both responsible for the crime.

Similarly, I believe that if I know the negative impacts of TV but I act, showing physical or emotional harm to someone, I will be responsible for anyone copying this negative act. Although, that person who has committed a real crime is at fault, while I only 'acted' it out, I would still feel guilty and would not want the responsibility of the burden of guilt taken in to my grave, regardless whether if I have enough to live on for a few weeks.

Just as children copy adults, teenagers copy peers, some people also copy role models on TV.

As you yourself said to members they have been posting ideas for CVs on the forum. CVs were following their whims & fancies because the show was a mess. I do not call it good work but EMBARRASSING FOR INDIA to promote their women in this fashion. For God's sake if you can't resolve the issues back home, at least have some respect for your nation's women and don't flaunt abuse around on big screens for months, as if it is some virtue.

Yes we have stopped watching it by choice, months ago, but many are addicted to TV and they can't stop watching even if they wanted to. Others are induced & pulled into watching and can't differentiate between fiction & reality (as you can see from some of your fans' posts) and those who are in a helpless state of depression, grief, trauma and can't let go.These groups may be more vulnerable to the negative influence of TV.


Edited by Istila - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: varunbadola1974

i take time out to come to the forum and read your reactions. though a lot of people have criticized the character played by me and others, we still try and understand that it is the characters which are being questioned. a lot of the members say that they do not have the time to waste on this show and for so many other things, but they still find time to write on the forum regarding the show, WITHOUT WATCHING IT. so you all show some respect to us. NOT BY NOT WRITING SUCH COMMENTS BUT NOT WATCHING THE SHOW AT ALL. the association that i have had in the last few months with you all has started to turn completely shameful.


If you come here to see reactions, that is all you will see -negative reactions. If your intention is to see positivity then that is what you will receive. (I will not use your words that 'no one invited you' or 'it's your choice' as you said in your post). People actually commend the character TVS, but not the negative role you became later. People have the right to hold opinions of your reputation and to personal views. I don't think anyone has the right to prevent me from freely expressing my opinions on a public forum. Whether or not if someone has time to post in a forum, it doesn't give the right to anyone else to give personal attacks to others about 'sitting at home all day' when they have never met me. Yes, I do not have time to waste and if I do have time, then I write.

There has not been much association by you with the forum members, as far as I can see from your profile posts. If you find this interaction shameful then I find the show just the same.

In any case, if you really are Varun Badola then why don't you verify your personal ID?






Edited by Istila - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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serials will effect your mind only if you take them seriously. nobody has to or is being force to watch it if they dont want to.
personaly i think the serial is based on a very twisted strata of society where a community prostitutes their women to earn their livelyhood. so obviously the story is going to be kind of twisted.
a girl in love with the uncle but marries the nephew. but is she still in love with the uncle or has her loyeltys changed to the man who is her husband.
do people condem sugni for rejecting vikrams advance and be true to Aditya, or do people want her to accept vikram so called love and be untrue to Aditya.
the fact is that now she is married and her loyeties lie only with Aditya. even if sugni does not love him, she respects him, and she difinetely has affection for him. sugni simply wants the family to accept her as Aditya wife. and she does not want the power or status of being a thakurine. she only want to be a daughter in law and do he duty a one. and what is wrong with that. if she cared about only being rich why would she stay back in a family that hated her. she could have left with Aditya and lived a happy life away the all of them. where Aditya could prosper with out his family. why choose this.
i feel sugni is a highly misunderstood character. and should he given the benifit of doubt. and so should aditya. vikrams reaction though wrong is understandable the does not know the real truth. that sugni and aditya did not try to kill him. what will happen when he finds out the real truth. and the fact that he lost sugni was due to his own irational actions.
now she is Aditya wife and that fact cannot change.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Laila2009


And I am sure these two are very nice women in real life but they play two of the worst females I have seen who are presented to us on a platter as being good women? If they played women who were wrong, I wouldn't have issue - I've played these too. But to play female characters who are doing wrong but are trying to present as being "good" that would bother my conscience and I'd be sick at my stomach at the value I was trying to send

*it's good to love an uncle and then love his nephew whom he raises as son?
*it's good to flaunt yourself in the face of your ex-lover?
*it's good to sell yourself to spit on the face of the mother who raised you? TVS didn't even TOUCH her!
*it's good to stab your best friend in the back, use her fiancee to bail you out of a mess that you did NOT need to create for yourself and then get your mother to pressure him into marrying you

And all this is supposed to be good? I'd be throwing up each night before I showed up on the set. I'd be selling my principles for a pay check on a daily basis.


Laila, you have every right to express your dislike for the female leads. No one can force someone to like/not like someone or an act.

I feel totally ashamed that our Indian actresses are doing such roles where something completely wrong is portrayed as being 'good'...then they say 'wow' and 'cool' and even worse 'super'.

What if it was their own mother, sister or daughter doing such things - I wonder how they would react?

It pricks my conscious because I truly understand the meaning of shamelessness. Either they do not know, or even worse, they simply do not care.


Edited by Istila - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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i don feel shame on them. they are actors we've to respect their own decision

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