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Aarathi

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Posted: 13 years ago

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Varun Badola Justifies TVS's love for Sugni

Varun - A friend of mine has a terminally ill partner and he waited for his spouse to pass away, after which he married a girl who he knew. People may call this as selfish behaviour, but I would want to ask such arm chair moralists what they would do in such a situation."

Varun also said he is happy with the trp of over 2.0 but the show can do better

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Putija

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Posted: 13 years ago

Aarthi I read it and I liked that part in fact TVS is a victim of circumstances.

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Kalapi

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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: ash_arti
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Varun Badola Justifies TVS's love for Sugni

Varun - A friend of mine has a terminally ill partner and he waited for his spouse to pass away, after which he married a girl who he knew. People may call this as selfish behaviour, but I would want to ask such arm chair moralists what they would do in such a situation."

Varun also said he is happy with the trp of over 2.0 but the show can do better

Thanks for the article, yes people are entitled to happiness and it happens in real life too, as he put forward in his example. The point of discussion here is as I see it that his friend waited for his wife to pass away on a moral ground before moving on in life. He could have even divorced her that was acceptable too.

But the Cvs here showed that TVS tried to hide his wife and go forward with marriage (and without first even trying to start a divorce procedure). This is what is wrong and this is where I don't support or can justify this the character's action...my POV

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Hillylove

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Posted: 13 years ago

Kalapi all of us feel the same way whether Sugvi Fans, Sugni and Adi fans or No fans of anyone.

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Laila Banu

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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: hillydee
Kalapi all of us feel the same way whether Sugvi Fans, Sugni and Adi fans or No fans of anyone.

HD, I agree; what people do not realize is that while we do not agree with his actions, we can understand the rationale within the context of the character and do not hate or consider him a bad human being for his actions. That's the difference. Although I found his actions out of character, if we look back at Jane Eyre, on which this story is loosely based, Jane E. confronts Mr. Rochester for his deception. Mr. R. is very apologetic (Michael Fassbender is awesome in the film and especially in this scene), and regretful that he did not plead to her good spirt and tell her the truth. However, his fear, that she would never be with hiim if she knew the truth got the better of him. That FEAR of losing someone fueled his attempts to keep everything a secret. TVS loved Sugni in the same way Mr. Rochester loved Jane; neither man ever wanted to hurt their loved ones and did not see any wrong in their actions since their love was sincere.

Moreover, when you are a man who has been deceived and been loyal to a wife with whom you cannot have a relationship and one your best to treat well, you convince yourself that you deserve to have a second chance at love and you convince yourself that what you are doing is right. Let me add, that unlike with Mr. Rochester, TVS embarked on this romance thinking his wife was dead. It was only later that he realized she was...then, with Gulabiya's snooping around and accusations, things went out of control and TVS was even more determined not to tell the truth especially when Sugni chose him over her own mother.

We still think he deserves Sugni, in the same way that we think Mr. Rochester desrved Jane, but only after he comes to terms with the fact what he was going to do to her. Deception, even with good intentions, never adds to the relationship.

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Kalapi

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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: Laila2009

HD, I agree; what people do not realize is that while we do not agree with his actions, we can understand the rationale within the context of the character and do not hate or consider him a bad human being for his actions. That's the difference. Although I found his actions out of character, if we look back at Jane Eyre, on which this story is loosely based, Jane E. confronts Mr. Rochester for his deception. Mr. R. is very apologetic (Michael Fassbender is awesome in the film and especially in this scene), and regretful that he did not plead to her good spirt and tell her the truth. However, his fear, that she would never be with hiim if she knew the truth got the better of him. That FEAR of losing someone fueled his attempts to keep everything a secret. TVS loved Sugni in the same way Mr. Rochester loved Jane; neither man ever wanted to hurt their loved ones and did not see any wrong in their actions since their love was sincere.

Moreover, when you are a man who has been deceived and been loyal to a wife with whom you cannot have a relationship and one your best to treat well, you convince yourself that you deserve to have a second chance at love and you convince yourself that what you are doing is right. Let me add, that unlike with Mr. Rochester, TVS embarked on this romance thinking his wife was dead. It was only later that he realized she was...then, with Gulabiya's snooping around and accusations, things went out of control and TVS was even more determined not to tell the truth especially when Sugni chose him over her own mother.

We still think he deserves Sugni, in the same way that we think Mr. Rochester desrved Jane, but only after he comes to terms with the fact what he was going to do to her. Deception, even with good intentions, never adds to the relationship.

But even in this acclaimed novel, the novelist Charlotte Bronte didn't go against the acceptable morality of her time or heck the acceptable morality of all times. Jane Eyre, I believe didn't 'marry' Mr. R even after all his pleas ad even when he proposed that they could move to S outh of France, where no one would know them and live a life of man and wife. Why didn't Jane jump to this proposal??? Because, even though in France, no one could know their true identify or the fact that they can never be married as Mr.R's wife is still alive and well, in hearts of hearts, Jane would jnow the truth and she is anything but his wife. That is why she lives him and come back to him, when only his wife was dead and he himself was handicapped. So, what was true in Victorian England is still true today in England and most places of the world and that a man cannot marry a second time and give her the status of a 'wife' if his first wife is living. Also, something is the mortality of divorcing a 'sick' wife...what is the sanctity of marriage or the value of those marriage vows taken??? Varun gave an example that his friend waited for his wife to die, before marrying. It sounds very cruel indeed to literally wait for someone to die, but I will assume that his 'living' life was unbearable and unbearable...and he probably prayed for her to die everyday...so very sad. But TVs hasn't been shown miserable nor it family seems to think that Reva wasn't the perfect wife except for the dialogues of Amita and Dhanuma...but the fact is that in this age in India, he could have tried divorcing her as soon as he came to know Reva was alive...but he didn't...why??? What were his motives???? Let's hope Cvs throw some lights instead of putting some dialogues on TVS, as lies hidden in truth etc...we the audience need to give Cvs time to evolve the story (hopefully) before concluding anything, right????

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Laila Banu

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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: Kalapi

But even in this acclaimed novel, the novelist Charlotte Bronte didn't go against the acceptable morality of her time or heck the acceptable morality of all times. Jane Eyre, I believe didn't 'marry' Mr. R even after all his pleas ad even when he proposed that they could move to S outh of France, where no one would know them and live a life of man and wife. Why didn't Jane jump to this proposal??? Because, even though in France, no one could know their true identify or the fact that they can never be married as Mr.R's wife is still alive and well, in hearts of hearts, Jane would jnow the truth and she is anything but his wife. That is why she lives him and come back to him, when only his wife was dead and he himself was handicapped. So, what was true in Victorian England is still true today in England and most places of the world and that a man cannot marry a second time and give her the status of a 'wife' if his first wife is living. Also, something is the mortality of divorcing a 'sick' wife...what is the sanctity of marriage or the value of those marriage vows taken??? Varun gave an example that his friend waited for his wife to die, before marrying. It sounds very cruel indeed to literally wait for someone to die, but I will assume that his 'living' life was unbearable and unbearable...and he probably prayed for her to die everyday...so very sad. But TVs hasn't been shown miserable nor it family seems to think that Reva wasn't the perfect wife except for the dialogues of Amita and Dhanuma...but the fact is that in this age in India, he could have tried divorcing her as soon as he came to know Reva was alive...but he didn't...why??? What were his motives???? Let's hope Cvs throw some lights instead of putting some dialogues on TVS, as lies hidden in truth etc...we the audience need to give Cvs time to evolve the story (hopefully) before concluding anything, right????

Not sure why you need to point that Jane never went to the South of France with Mr. Rochester in response to my post. It really depends on the person; some women would, others would not. Jane chooses not to live in sin because of her strict religous upbringing. In Jane Eyre Mr. Rochester DOES seek the law to help him seperate form his wife but the law does not let him. What of religions and laws that bind people in loveless marriages based forcing them to live with people they do not love especially when they never knew the person was mentally ill from the beginning? Or what of strict moral codes that deprive you of being with the one you love when it is not their fault for being trapped in a loveless marriage?

Actually, there are some cultures and faiths (not just Islamic) where a second wife holds the same standing as the first wife and these practices are in place if the first wife can not longer fullfill her role as a wife. However, in most cultures this is nto the case. Second, there is plenty of morality in leaving someone who is not able to be your wife or husband IF you have been forced and deceived into a marriage against your will and to someoen who is both mentally ill and NOT a very nice human being as I see in Reva. Should someone be forced to live with someone whom they do not love because they are obligated to be in taht marriage? Perhaps you will stay in one, but you cannot hold the same moral torch to everyone and consider them less than if they chose not to stay with that person. It is very difficult to live with a spouse who is not well. Divorcing a person does not mean that you cannot care or be there for that person or will not live with them. TVS has loads of money and he does not have to stay with Reva especially if he does not love her.

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Kalapi

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Originally posted by: Laila2009

Not sure why you need to point that Jane never went to the South of France with Mr. Rochester in response to my post. It really depends on the person; some women would, others would not. Jane chooses not to live in sin because of her strict religous upbringing. In Jane Eyre Mr. Rochester DOES seek the law to help him seperate form his wife but the law does not let him. What of religions and laws that bind people in loveless marriages based forcing them to live with people they do not love especially when they never knew the person was mentally ill from the beginning? Or what of strict moral codes that deprive you of being with the one you love when it is not their fault for being trapped in a loveless marriage?

Actually, there are some cultures and faiths (not just Islamic) where a second wife holds the same standing as the first wife and these practices are in place if the first wife can not longer fullfill her role as a wife. However, in most cultures this is nto the case. Second, there is plenty of morality in leaving someone who is not able to be your wife or husband IF you have been forced and deceived into a marriage against your will and to someoen who is both mentally ill and NOT a very nice human being as I see in Reva. Should someone be forced to live with someone whom they do not love because they are obligated to be in taht marriage? Perhaps you will stay in one, but you cannot hold the same moral torch to everyone and consider them less than if they chose not to stay with that person. It is very difficult to live with a spouse who is not well. Divorcing a person does not mean that you cannot care or be there for that person or will not live with them. TVS has loads of money and he does not have to stay with Reva especially if he does not love her.

Hmm'not sure why I couldn't just use the later part of the same story in my discussion of this serial when the honorable member time and again drew parallel between TVS and Mr. Rochester...hm, am I falling prey of some unknown copyright infringement or the later part of the story isn't liked by this honorable member??

Jane couldn't live in sin, so why are we arguing that Sugni might 'choose' to live in sin. Who are we to decide that living in sin and being the 'illegal wife of an illegal marriage' doesn't constitute the same sin and is equivalent to the life of indignity? Is it because Sugni is a bedni and we think we know which the better of the 2 evil is? Or rather that TVS does a fake weeding and make her a fake wife bed her and under the pretense of 'the' respect of an wife...The honorable members says some women might 'choose' to live in sin, I hope not. I hope most women will prefer a life of dignity above all else, even above love. Because as dear friend said recently to me, after the (love) marriage, loves goes out of the window and the stark reality of marriage stays. I hope modern women can choose wisely and not under emotional blackmail ...and absolutely not trust a man blindly enough that destroy their own life'.Btw, Bronte, did show a poetic justice to Mr.Rochester's deception, so maybe TVS will have some form of Karmic punishment too??? that storyline is also acceptable. Also, I could argue that jane's had a different kind of love than that of Mr. R., right???

There are of course, different types of love and physical love is of course a love too. Let me tell you a true story...A man loved a young girl to destruction. He loved her so much that he went on trying to convince her. But the girl considered him simply a friend. So, the boy decided to 'show' the girl the depth of his love. What did the guy do?? Yes, he forced himself and raped the poor girl...Think this isn't a real story, try crime patrol, you will be able to dig that episode. So, he, to you was right, shouldn't be punished by society, right???? Come-on he loved the girl and wanted to show his depth?? Yes, society should accept this man with open arms...because what he did ...he did it for love only??? Why hold in to some unattainable ancient code of mortality or ethics? ? He should be allowed his 'form' of love too??

What is that love that can't look beyond the immediate need of the self?? There other examples of selfless love too, that of platonic one. Loving another human being and expecting nothing in return. Maybe, this love isn't that popular anymore over the materialistic love that society seems to 'love' so much these days, but I am still part of that dying group that believes in love that can be selfless and totally loving without any expectation of a return...and there are sanctity of marriage vows and importance of trust...I am sure there are all sorts of society that people live in and approve, but definitely hope a serial telecasted on National channel will not promote such behaviors and promote such choas ...I don't hold anyone to any moral or ethical standards, but do hope the young men and women does show the strength in character and an inbuilt value system, so that when they themselves look in the mirror, only pride reflects back...

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Posted: 13 years ago

What an interesting discussion, I am loving it. I am going to try to look at this situation as objectively as I can...

"But the Cvs here showed that TVS tried to hide his wife and go forward with marriage (and without first even trying to start a divorce procedure). This is what is wrong and this is where I don't support or can justify this the character's action...my POV" _Kalpi

100% agree with the above statement...Yes I love the Jodi, I sympathies with TVS, I understand his point of view, but no amount of justification will correct the fact that that part of his action was plain WRONG! Maybe in his head he was thinking "all is fair in love and war?" A case of love blinding your rationality?
So yes I maintain that he dose deserve to be punished for what he was going to do to Sugni. But I would still like to see them get their happily ever after, together. (Just my POV)
I have not read Jane Eyre, but in modern times, where divorce is as common as the flu, it's hard to think that he did not think about it...maybe divorcing a sick wife is some how against his moral ground, "in sickness and in health" kind of thing ?he did say he had resigned himself to the marriage b4 and apparently was making the best of a hard situation. So then he had his accident , and thought her to be dead, and moved back to his old home town, and fell in love with a spirited young lady, willing to give marriage a 2nd chance only to find out that Wife #1 is alive and "well"... the test of his love came then, and unfortunately it turned out to be a bit selfish , rather than selfless, cowardly rather than brave, fearful rather than couragouse, decietful rather than truthful. The person who was going to be the most hurt in the whole situation was the one he claimed to love "sincerely". ( I have a feeling that he realized just what he was doing to her, on the wedding day after her speech)
Now on Sugni's side of the coin, would she be willing to forgive all??? The fact is if she did accept him now, then it would be like accepting the life she was always trying to avoid...in a community like theirs, i am not sure "divorcing " would count if they understood the concept of it. She would always be regarded as "Wife #2" or "the other woman"
Her dream was to live a life being a "one man , woman, to live a life of respect, love and happiness with her HUSBAND.! With TVS she was going to get 1/2 of that dream, unfortunately he was not going to provide the other 1/2 of it because of being married. She said it herself, she can't take some one's husband away and she is right. .
There are so much unanswered questions in this situation, that I hope the CV's address. It's said you can't help who you fall in love with, and unfortunately it is looking like two people fell in love with the "wrong person". and the best they can do is pick up the peices of thier broken heart and move on...:(

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Well it is def justify for any human to leave happy within moral ground . The example varun gave is ..yes man waitted wife death then he married to other lady . He should & totally justify . For varun it is different situation but i feel he is victim of situation . If his intention would have been wrong , if he really want to cheat sugini for his own happiness , if he knew wife is alive & he still fall in love but all this was not there . As he said no one see why ti all happen , not G , adi or even sugini ...he never wanted it ...but happened out of fear . For me intention of person does matter ..atleast he is entilted to be forgiven or find solution for the issues he is having like divorce etc

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