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Posted: 12 years ago
#31

Originally posted by: soapwatcher1

Kools, if we are taking Manav's words to Archana as proof that he put Purvi in the will and his words to Ovi and Arjun that he bought that property for Pari, let us not discredit his words then as far as including Soham in his will, fair is fair :)

Also, when did Manav sign Sachin's birth certificate as his dad? If he did, that does not make Sachin's adoption by Manav (note I did not say grandparents) any more legal than Purvi's. Both adoptions are made by the heart and are equally viable as far as adoptions go, the legality of it is questionable in both situations.

Archana adopted Purvi as much for herself as for Purvi, it was said often enough in the soap that after the twins were taken away by Savita, Purvi was the only reason for her living.
Charity should never be touted because then it loses its value and the good karma that comes along with doing a good deed. By constantly repeating that sadak se utai hui bacchi, they are nullifying any good deed these women did in going along with the kindness of Archana. The adoption is Archana's business and they had no say in it, she gave her name to the child (Deshmukh was her legal name) and Manav is her husband, expecting him to go along with her decision is a matter bet/ husband and wife. She accepted Sachin as her own and was even foolishly prepared to give up on her family for the sake of his happiness (the apple does not fall too far from the tree in purvi's case).

As for Sachin being the heir to an empire, I remember the earlier episodes when his grandfather was a rich man in Mumbai, no talk of an empire that was transported to the US though. That to me remains a moot point, Sachin is entitled to everything Manav has as he is technically Manav's son, legally adopted or not, same as Purvi is Archana's daughter.

Forgive any typos, on my phone, and won't be able to get to the forum until much later. Happy PR watching!

Well put argument soapwatcher. Well done!!!
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Posted: 12 years ago
#32

Originally posted by: Sakhile

Rich or poor doesn't matter. Wealth, parentage, social status all pale into insignaificance. if we recognise that we are equal in all circumstances because we belong to the human race.


👍🏼 Absolutely right and well said. The world would be a happier place if everyone followed that.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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If Purvi's parents owned a car meaning they were well to do couple 😉 yeah right. Ok I will go with the logic Then WHy did they not leave any money in their will??? There has to be something this couple owned as far as their finances were concerned...Police could not find family, relative but what happened to Purvi's parent's Assets???? 😲 Disappeared in thin air 😳
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Posted: 12 years ago
#34

Originally posted by: soapwatcher1

Kools, if we are taking Manav's words to Archana as proof that he put Purvi in the will and his words to Ovi and Arjun that he bought that property for Pari, let us not discredit his words then as far as including Soham in his will, fair is fair :)

Also, when did Manav sign Sachin's birth certificate as his dad? If he did, that does not make Sachin's adoption by Manav (note I did not say grandparents) any more legal than Purvi's. Both adoptions are made by the heart and are equally viable as far as adoptions go, the legality of it is questionable in both situations.

Archana adopted Purvi as much for herself as for Purvi, it was said often enough in the soap that after the twins were taken away by Savita, Purvi was the only reason for her living.
Charity should never be touted because then it loses its value and the good karma that comes along with doing a good deed. By constantly repeating that sadak se utai hui bacchi, they are nullifying any good deed these women did in going along with the kindness of Archana. The adoption is Archana's business and they had no say in it, she gave her name to the child (Deshmukh was her legal name) and Manav is her husband, expecting him to go along with her decision is a matter bet/ husband and wife. She accepted Sachin as her own and was even foolishly prepared to give up on her family for the sake of his happiness (the apple does not fall too far from the tree in purvi's case).

As for Sachin being the heir to an empire, I remember the earlier episodes when his grandfather was a rich man in Mumbai, no talk of an empire that was transported to the US though. That to me remains a moot point, Sachin is entitled to everything Manav has as he is technically Manav's son, legally adopted or not, same as Purvi is Archana's daughter.

Forgive any typos, on my phone, and won't be able to get to the forum until much later. Happy PR watching!


See SW i see it this way .

I don't regard being raised on charity as degrading at all . A lot of deserving children who wanted to study were funded by the Maharajah of Baroda as he was a great one for funding education as a cause . They went on to occupy high positions professionally later on . Nothing about those living on charity is degrading . It is just a fact of life , and facts of life like charity , poverty , sickness , hunger are not degrading at all . They simply exist . No poor person is undeserving of respect and no person who helps a charitable cause is greater then the one receiving that help . He is just luckier .

I say she was raised on the kindness of Archana's heart coz it was shown in the serial . It is assumed she was adopted but nothing was shown , infact that fact is not even uttered . And also it cannot be possible . To adopt , spouse's signatures and consent r required . And Archana did not even know where Manav was . Neither was she divorced to adopt Purvi as a single parent . So u see , inferring that Purvi was just raised on humanatarian grounds just like that is not because i don't like the character and want her identity to be something degrading . How can it be humiliating or degrading when i don't regard charity as something humiliating at all ? It is a thing to be proud of when u grab the olive branch that life offers u and make something worthwhile of life .

But each fact of life has to be accepted as it is , with it limits . Everything has a limit . If rich kids cannot be spoilt enough to run a car over poor people sleeping on roads , those raised by the kindness of certain families cannot wish the children of that house dead or swap babies or deprive the daughter of that house to mourn on the basis of a past love story . Nobody can do it , bio , adopted , charity raised , no one .

Purvi does not become more or less because she was raised on charity and the 'adopted' status makes her more respectable somehow ...at least to me it doesn't . Her deeds do . They r complex and destructive . Period , for me . She will be respectable to me when she stands by Onir and does not even look at Arjun . If she would have accepted Punni's blackmail and saved Onir's career , she would have gone up in my eyes . It would not have been damned if she did and damned if she did not for me . She would have been more human somehow , a human at last truly falling in love , realising that her husband faces danger of losing his career for her . I put him in this mess , i will pull him out should have been her attitude. Even if she had betrayed Sulochana and got slapped , she would have gained tremendous respect for taking a stand . Onir took a stand ...come what may , i will stand by Purvi . Same thing she should have done .

It doesn't matter if Soham is in Manav's will or his money is in a trust ...that fact does not alter the fact that Sachin Deshmukh has more rights on the house , legal and ethical , than her . Even if he is just a nephew he has more rights . But the fact remains he is not . His legal identity was talked about and both Manav and Archana were living together then to be available for consent and signatures .

Archana's deed of humanatarian kindness cannot be blotted by anyone saying anything ...that deed stands by itself with its own merit . The way i see it ...Manju telling Purvi that u r back on the roads again is very true in a deeper sense as she had many wonderful chances but she blew them all . She had a wonderful upbringing at the Karanjkars but she blackened their faces , she was given a warm acceptance by Deshmukhs but she backstabbed them , she was getting married to a rich tycoon but she ditched him and made him miserable and she was lucky enough to marry a talented doctor inspite of an unwed pregnancy but she destroyed him too with her rash , immature decisions . She blew all those chances and went back on the roads from where she once came . Although harshly spoken , Manju's words have a deeper significance ...thats what i feel .

Savita said that people will taunt them that look u took in a girl from the streets , see how she has repaid u . Many did not like that . But people do say exactly that . They cannot do unselfish actions themselves and they r the first to snigger at any good or humanatarian action as they themselves cannot do these actions and feel small in front of people who have the capability to rise above themselves and do them . So what Savita said is very true ...people do taunt that way .

My most favorite literary characters r Jane Eyre and Heathcliff , both raised on charity but strong individuals on their own . Charity , poverty , richness r mere states of life ...neither r they degrading nor uplifting . It is the individuals that interest me and Purvi would have if she had saved Onir .




Edited by koolsadhu1000 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#35

Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000


See SW i see it this way .

I don't regard being raised on charity as degrading at all . A lot of deserving children who wanted to study were funded by the Maharajah of Baroda as he was a great one for funding education as a cause . They went on to occupy high positions professionally later on . Nothing about those living on charity is degrading . It is just a fact of life , and facts of life like charity , poverty , sickness , hunger are not degrading at all . They simply exist . No poor person is undeserving of respect and no person who helps a charitable cause is greater then the one receiving that help . He is just luckier .

I say she was raised on the kindness of Archana's heart coz it was shown in the serial . It is assumed she was adopted but nothing was shown , infact that fact is not even uttered . And also it cannot be possible . To adopt , spouse's signatures and consent r required . And Archana did not even know where Manav was . Neither was she divorced to adopt Purvi as a single parent . So u see , inferring that Purvi was just raised on humanatarian grounds just like that is not because i don't like the character and want her identity to be something degrading . How can it be humiliating or degrading when i don't regard charity as something humiliating at all ? It is a thing to be proud of when u grab the olive branch that life offers u and make something worthwhile of life .

But each fact of life has to be accepted as it is , with it limits . Everything has a limit . If rich kids cannot be spoilt enough to run a car over poor people sleeping on roads , those raised by the kindness of certain families cannot wish the children of that house dead or swap babies or deprive the daughter of that house to mourn on the basis of a past love story . Nobody can do it , bio , adopted , charity raised , no one .

Purvi does not become more or less because she was raised on charity and the 'adopted' status makes her more respectable somehow ...at least to me it doesn't . Her deeds do . They r complex and destructive . Period , for me . She will be respectable to me when she stands by Onir and does not even look at Arjun . If she would have accepted Punni's blackmail and saved Onir's career , she would have gone up in my eyes . It would not have been damned if she did and damned if she did not for me . She would have been more human somehow , a human at last truly falling in love , realising that her husband faces danger of losing his career for her . I put him in this mess , i will pull him out should have been her attitude. Even if she had betrayed Sulochana and got slapped , she would have gained tremendous respect for taking a stand . Onir took a stand ...come what may , i will stand by Purvi . Same thing she should have done .

It doesn't matter if Soham is in Manav's will or his money is in a trust ...that fact does not alter the fact that Sachin Deshmukh has more rights on the house , legal and ethical , than her . Even if he is just a nephew he has more rights . But the fact remains he is not . His legal identity was talked about and both Manav and Archana were living together then to be available for consent and signatures .

Archana's deed of humanatarian kindness cannot be blotted by anyone saying anything ...that deed stands by itself with its own merit . The way i see it ...Manju telling Purvi that u r back on the roads again is very true in a deeper sense as she had many wonderful chances but she blew them all . She had a wonderful upbringing at the Karanjkars but she blackened their faces , she was given a warm acceptance by Deshmukhs but she backstabbed them , she was getting married to a rich tycoon but she ditched him and made him miserable and she was lucky enough to marry a talented doctor inspite of an unwed pregnancy but she destroyed him too with her rash , immature decisions . She blew all those chances and went back on the roads from where she once came . Although harshly spoken , Manju's words have a deeper significance ...thats what i feel .

Savita said that people will taunt them that look u took in a girl from the streets , see how she has repaid u . Many did not like that . But people do say exactly that . They cannot do unselfish actions themselves and they r the first to snigger at any good or humanatarian action as they themselves cannot do these actions and feel small in front of people who have the capability to rise above themselves and do them . So what Savita said is very true ...people do taunt that way .

My most favorite literary characters r Jane Eyre and Heathcliff , both raised on charity but strong individuals on their own . Charity , poverty , richness r mere states of life ...neither r they degrading nor uplifting . It is the individuals that interest me and Purvi would have if she had saved Onir .


Kool, loved this post! ⭐️ I love Heathcliff too, ah the beauty of the grey characters! In the same vein, love Scarlett and Rhett Butler too 😃 Some writers have such a beautiful writing style and stories to tell. The "heroes" are not whiter than white and the "villains" are not black. In fact, the best stories are where there's no clear demarcation at all. They're simply protagonists, all grey characters with different shades of black and white.


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Posted: 12 years ago
#36

Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

Loved your take on this 👏👏👏, so true, it isn't about adopted or bio, or rich or poor - those are realities that has been dealt with by the Almighty. It is the individual that ultimately decides what he/she will be by his actions and the examples he sets - to me, I like to see a character that makes positive changes for himself and others

Edited by Kalapi - 12 years ago

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Purvi is Purvi deshmukh (I am sure Archana adopted her, or else where would the deshmukh come from)
Purvi is not a charity case, I am a huge believer in fate and Purvi was meant to belong with the Ks
Now coming to Sachin, I don't know why people are so adamant upon Purvi being a part of the deshmukhs
Now I don't support Savita taunting Purvi and saying rude stuff to her
And I want Purvi to speak one day , loudly
Purvi didn't ask to be adopted / raised by Archana
Neither did sachin
The decision was of their caregivers and that's okay
Till now, I have not seen sachin having any greed for Manav's wealth
So I find this discussion completely irrelevant
Now Purvi IS Archana's daughter , be it adopted/ just as a guardian
Sachin is Manav and Archana's son
Archana decided to raise him along with sachin
Sachin doesn't hate Soham because of wealth
He dislikes soham for all the wrongs he has done
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: ilovedhanjanird

Purvi is Purvi deshmukh (I am sure Archana adopted her, or else where would the deshmukh come from)
Purvi is not a charity case, I am a huge believer in fate and Purvi was meant to belong with the Ks
Now coming to Sachin, I don't know why people are so adamant upon Purvi being a part of the deshmukhs
Now I don't support Savita taunting Purvi and saying rude stuff to her
And I want Purvi to speak one day , loudly
Purvi didn't ask to be adopted / raised by Archana
Neither did sachin
The decision was of their caregivers and that's okay
Till now, I have not seen sachin having any greed for Manav's wealth
So I find this discussion completely irrelevant
Now Purvi IS Archana's daughter , be it adopted/ just as a guardian
Sachin is Manav and Archana's son
Archana decided to raise him along with sachin
Sachin doesn't hate Soham because of wealth
He dislikes soham for all the wrongs he has done


Well said! 👏
But at one time, Sachin himself was completely against Archana and trying his best to make Manav divorce her. Then even Archu's goodness didnt sway him.
IMHO, Sachin shd give Soham some leeway, not be so harsh on him! After all Archu herself gave testimony on his behalf and got him bail.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: pallavi25



Well said!👏
But at one time, Sachin himself was completely against Archana and trying his best to make Manav divorce her. Then even Archu's goodness didnt sway him.
IMHO, Sachin shd give Soham some leeway, not be so harsh on him! After all Archu herself gave testimony on his behalf and got him bail.



Because Savita was brainwashing him , sachin wanted shravani and Manav to be together
And see from sachin's viewpoint soham is a criminal
He is a lawyer , and soham shot his ai
So this reaction is expected
Sons always follow their fathers footsteps
And sachin is doing the same
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: ilovedhanjanird

Purvi is Purvi deshmukh (I am sure Archana adopted her, or else where would the deshmukh come from)
Purvi is not a charity case, I am a huge believer in fate and Purvi was meant to belong with the Ks
Now coming to Sachin, I don't know why people are so adamant upon Purvi being a part of the deshmukhs
Now I don't support Savita taunting Purvi and saying rude stuff to her
And I want Purvi to speak one day , loudly
Purvi didn't ask to be adopted / raised by Archana
Neither did sachin
The decision was of their caregivers and that's okay
Till now, I have not seen sachin having any greed for Manav's wealth
So I find this discussion completely irrelevant
Now Purvi IS Archana's daughter , be it adopted/ just as a guardian
Sachin is Manav and Archana's son
Archana decided to raise him along with sachin
Sachin doesn't hate Soham because of wealth
He dislikes soham for all the wrongs he has done

Waneeka I agree with most of your post but underlined..
Purvi is not deshmukh...Archana took her in while she was seperated from manav...Assuming she herself was Deshmukh so the child she raised was given name deshmukh...But legally Purvi did not have manav's consent for Archana to adopt her...Just wanted to make it clear..
Sachin is mad at soham because soham shot their Aai Archana...Until Manav does not forgive Soham, Sachin will follow in his dad's footsteps...Right or wrong that is what it is..
Kools my dear fantastic post abv 👏👏👏⭐️

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