Onir deserves better! - Page 2

Originally posted by: nirvanlove

Rithvik Dhanjani from Pavitra Rishta believes that theIndianlegal system must focus its energy on punishing those who are actually a threat to the society. "I think this is just a stupid way of portraying that law exists in our country but for the people who are easy to be forced law upon and not the actual criminals. I think the government should focus their attention on people who are a threat to the society and not Sanjay Dutt", he said.

If he is in legal trouble for this statement , most world citizens would be in problem because we never like the law or we always have problems with the government.

Originally posted by: sashashyam

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="2">My dear Waneeka,

Your topic is very timely, as I am convinced that by the time his Mishti, who has just got started, has finished with him, Onir will end up as a cross between a helpless, shorn Samson, and a pillow with all the stuffing knocked out of it. Or it might, judging from yesterday's episode, be much worse. I had written the paras below on another thread, but maybe it would be of interest to you as well.

"Purvi
took even my breath away today, and as you know, I am a seasoned diplomat and a
cynic who is not easily shocked.



The woman not only equated the baby swapping initiated by her with Mittal's
racket of stealing organs for profit without the donor's consent (and probably
by helping the donor on his way out of this world as well), but she said plainly
that he should have been let off as he was family. And she babbled about Punni
Tai's suffering, when she knows perfectly well that Punni's husband was out to
cut her husband's throat solely to scotch the same charges against himself, not to speak of all that Punni has inflicted on Purvi in the past.



The way Purvi talked of hamari galti was rich, upon my word!
Priceless. That confounded, besotted idiot of a husband of hers should now,
finally, grasp what he has let himself in for.

He has had the lack of judgement to marry a woman who, in all this while,
has not said a single word to indicate her regret at getting him into this mess
and exposing him to the risk of professional harakiri. A woman who, even
now, thinks only of her lie being exposed,and the impact that will have on her
standing inside the family. She is scared silly because of this fear, and so
she trembles in front of Manju and Punni. She is not just a cheat and a
sniveller, but she is also a coward.



What a wife for any man to have! She will cut and run at the first sign
of real trouble, not that anything is going to stick to her even if it all comes
out soon, since Punni seems set to help the process along with the new CD.



And she has the gall to assert that Archana would have 'understood' her and
supported her. But who knows, perhaps she is right after all. She will always
come out on top, will apni Purvi the Mahaan.



</font><font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">Well, despite all his follies in indulging this
woman beyond all limits, I do not want Onir to go to jail or lose his
medical licence. The first would mean the second in any case. If either
happens, he might as well slit his wrists, for he will never survive it. It is
not a question, Pari, of his coming to his senses after this happens. He is a
doctor for whom his profession is a passion, as is his service to the poor, and
no amount of his present mistakes can change that or take that away from him.
Without his profession, he would be nothing, a mere shell of a human being, and
he would lose the will to live. And no professional rehabilitation would be
possible at all.
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<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="2">I do not see why the poor of Kolkatta should lose out because of his foolish
obsession with his Circe of a Mishti. Who, it goes without saying, would
get off scatheless, and would still be swanning about the place.



Nor do I equate Onir, with all the errors of his ways, and the sleazebag
Mittal, as some are doing on other threads. And in fact praising Mittal to the
skies! It makes me wonder about this forum, but never mind. I hope the CVs find
a way to save Onir from the follies they have inflicted on his character.



Well, at least for Shakti, his mistakes are reel ones. Rithvik worries me a
lot - I have always been very fond of him even though by now I am fed up with Arjun - for his recent and very public
mistake is in real life. His comments about the Supreme Court sentencing of
Sanjay Dutt could land him in serious trouble if someone takes it into his head
to file a case against him in a Mumbai court for showing disrespect towards the
Supreme Court. The Supreme Court will not bother to react to Rithvik's
comments, but a private individual might, and very easily at that. I hope this
does not happen, and also that someone gives Rithvik some sound advice for the
future.



Shyamala Aunty


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Hi Aunty, you have a lot of patience to write.
Wow.
Anyway I was very disappointed with Purvi's reaction all last week. I was upset with her selfishness. She only thinks about her family not the man who supported her when she needed him the most :(
I am really sad about how the story is progressing but oh we'll little can we do about it
I just hope and pray even if arvi is reunited all the other characters are done justice to

By the way arent the government and Supreme Court two different entities?

My dear,

As for your last query, no, there was no connection, but does there have to be one? I do not see that the various threads here are so consistent and coherent that one off topic comment will damage them. Usually, they seem to go all over the place and that, to my mind, is the real fun of it all, so long as it doesn't go completely haywire.

You are of course completely in order to think that Rithvik does not need good advice on this point, just as I am to think that he does. I would not dream of telling you not to do what you do, and I am sure you will agree that reciprocity in this respect would be in order.

Nor is it a question of Rithvik 'forcing his opinions on us". I would not mind that for myself - my son tries to do that all the time. What concerns me is that he might create unnecessary hassles for himself, and I KNOW that this can happen as I have seen it happen in other cases of public sentiment claiming to be hurt. The fact is that Rithvik's formulation of his viewpoint is in such terms as to give a handle to any private person, who claims to be upset by what he would describe as contempt of the Supreme Court, to file a case against him and drag him to court. As I had noted on the thread about this topic, Rithvik would then have to attend court every now and then, and it would not be easy or pleasant for him. In the end, he would have to apologise unconditionally, if only to get rid of the hassle.

Rithvik's comments were obviously not to recommend that Sanjay Dutt should be pardoned - incidentally, none of the accused was pardoned, only ten of the minor players got their sentences reduced from death to life imprisonment. He was saying that the Supreme Court's decision was a stupid way of proving that the law is the same for everyone.

Now, please note that, as I had noted earlier, it will NOT be the Supreme Court who might drag him to court. They would not be bothered. If it happens, it is likely to an ordinary citizen, very likely a lawyer, who can do the filing himself at zero cost.

There can be no contempt motion for criticism. no matter how harsh, of the Government of India, and if you open any Indian newspaper, attacks on the Govt are a staple. of daily news. But the Supreme Court is different, and that is why no one will comment on any matter which is sub judice, as that would be contempt of court, and punishable by law.

It is not a question of forgiving Rithvik. I care for him, so I worry about him, as I know what the possibilities are, and I would want him to avoid any trouble. He could and should have worded his disagreement with the verdict considerably more carefully. It is pointless to invite possible trouble for something that is not personal to him.

You do not worry about him, which is perfectly fine, But I am sure you will, keeping in mind my advanced age, be kind enough to permit me to continue doing so. That is in any case my right, just as it is yours to do the opposite.

As for frankness in voicing one's point of view, or not caring about being in a minority with one's opinions,these traits are admirable in principle, but there are obvious limits to them on grounds of prudence. For example. I am sure Rithvik deeply resents what has been done to his character Arjun by the Balaji CVs and Ekta Kapoor. But if he were to make a candid statement about it, what would happen, do you think? He would never risk any such fit of candour, and that would be prudent.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

[QUOTE=MissscarlettI am sorry but i dont think Rithvik needs any sound advice for the future.
He has already proved what a well spoken and intelligent actor he is. What he said was strictly his opinion and i dont think we should get 'worried' about him. Its not like he is forcing his opinions on us. I didnt agree with his comment but i do respect his pov. Just because he made a wrong comment in public shouldnt make us 'worried' about him. I am pretty sure if this turns out to be a mess RD will justify himself and even publicly appologise if necessary.

I didnt think he made any 'mistake' by making that statement just because his pov differs from the majority. I dont think just saying something againts the government is a crime, we all do it all the time. I kinda get where he is coming from. Obviously people are making a huge deal out of it and in sanjay's place if any other normal civilian might have been there they wont have recieved this kinda press coverage. Not saying they might not have recieved any, but not to this extent. ( My parents in the evening watched two back to back segments on sanjay dutt which included his love life, filmography). I guess what he might have wanted to say is that people should stop makin a big deal out of this and go after the thousands of nameless criminals who have commited even more horendous crimes than sanjay. He obviously made a mistake in framing his sentences.

He has been in d industry for two years and i have never seen him giving any controversial statements. He can be forgiven for this one time. Or maybe he belives that sanjay dutt should be pardoned ( like many otherz apparantly). Anyways that comment was his pov and strictly his. And making a wrong comment doesnt make him a naive person who needs advice on how to conduct himself in public.
And anyways what has Rithvik's comments got to do with Onir deserving a happy ending? 😊

Originally posted by sashashyam

Well, at least for Shakti, his mistakes are reel ones. Rithvik worries me a
lot - I have always been very fond of him even though by now I am fed up with Arjun - for his recent and very public mistake is in real life. His comments about the Supreme Court sentencing of
Sanjay Dutt could land him in serious trouble if someone takes it into his head to file a case against him in a Mumbai court for showing disrespect towards the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court will not bother to react to Rithvik's comments, but a private individual might, and very easily at that. I hope this does not happen, and also that someone gives Rithvik some sound advice for the
future.

Shyamala Aunty

Of course, Nirvan, but then that was a loosely worded statement.

You can attack the GoI all you want and nothing will happen, but the Supreme Court is different. Even there, the court rarely reacts unless it is a gross statement, a but private person can very well do what I had outlined, and they have done so time and again.

As for comments by Bollywood stars on this case, you would note that they are all sentimental in nature, not taking on the court on its verdict. No one in a prominent position would do that, if only to avoid trouble. Moreover, the Indian public is right now very sensitive to the issue of terrorism, and any appearance of condoning Sanjay Dutt's consorting with the likes of Yakub Memon would not go down at all well with the general public, and no actor would risk that.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: nirvanlove

By the way arent the government and Supreme Court two different entities?

It is not the government who sentenced SDutt to jail.. Thats very ignorant of RD.

And all the celebs who are supporting SDutt, I believe that is a very biased nature..

They are the same people who wanted good judicial system,

and about time I say..

The 1984 riot's culprits are also in spotlight again,

hope something happens.

Dear Waneeka,

Too much of it, I think, and I also often presume too much on the patience of those who read my effusions!😉But never fear, I am pulling back from this weekend, for I have been indulging myself too much, and it is beginning to tell on my wonky left wrist.

I loved your last sentence here:I just hope and pray even if arvi is reunited all the other characters are done justice to. So fair and so simply and beautifully put.Not that the CVs are likely to heed your eloquent and heartfelt plea.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: ilovedhanjanird

Hi Aunty, you have a lot of patience to write. Wow.
Anyway I was very disappointed with Purvi's reaction all last week. I was upset with her selfishness. She only thinks about her family not the man who supported her when she needed him the most :(
I am really sad about how the story is progressing but oh we'll little can we do about it
I just hope and pray even if arvi is reunited all the other characters are done justice to

No, Waneeka, Rithvik will not be in trouble with the Govt, of India, no matter how much he lambasted it, nor even with the Supreme Court for saying that their verdict in this case was stupid; they would not bother with him.

But the kind of scenario that I had outlined can happen and has happened time and again. A good example would be such cases filed against people for not showing due respect to the national flag, which is an offence in Indian law.

Now in the US, you can burn the Stars and Stripes, and no action will be taken against you. But this is not the case in many countries, including India.

But in the US, you can get into VERY bad trouble for stating that the US President should be dead. There was an Indian origin student in the US who did just that, in a private mail to a college friend. The FBI, who seem nowadays to monitor all such communications, using trigger words, swooped down on him and arrested him on the charge of threatening the life of the President, and confiscated his laptop. Last I heard, he was still fighting the charge and had dropped out of college.

So you see, things are not always as simple as they seem. and it is always prudent not to be too candid. In this case, it is not as though any great issue of principle was at stake. I very much hope the whole thing passes unnoticed, for after all, it was not Shahrukh Khan who said that,only Rithvik!

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: ilovedhanjanird

If he is in legal trouble for this statement , most world citizens would be in problem because we never like the law or we always have problems with the government.

Originally posted by: nirvanlove

Rithvik Dhanjani from Pavitra Rishta believes that theIndianlegal system must focus its energy on punishing those who are actually a threat to the society. "I think this is just a stupid way of portraying that law exists in our country but for the people who are easy to be forced law upon and not the actual criminals. I think the government should focus their attention on people who are a threat to the society and not Sanjay Dutt", he said.

Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

shyamala what comments did he do about the Supreme Court sentencing of Sanjay Dutt ?

Kools,

Nirvan's rendition of it is absolutely accurate.My own views on this matter were set out in greater detail than here in the thread called TB Article-RD , which is at

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/78794772

Kalapi, Pari and some others were there as well, and I was interested to see that even some very devoted fans of Rithvik were very critical of his formulations in this matter, some on the grounds that it was very inappropriate when it was a question of the national interest. and that he had been, as she put it, 'plain stupid'.

Now I would not go so far, for it is after all a very free country, but it definitely was imprudent. He is a very nice young man, of whom I am still very fond even though I am now fed up with Arjun, and I hope no one creates any trouble for him over this, as can happen very easily.

As I wrote to Waneeka above, these things are country specific, there are things for which you can get into trouble with the law in India and not in the US, and some things for which you, contrary to all expectations, get into very bad trouble in the US. Freedom of speech, like everything else, is relative, even in the most democratic of countries like the US and India.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

shyamala what comments did he do about the Supreme Court sentencing of Sanjay Dutt ?

Neither am I, Kools, whether it is Hrithik Roshan, whom I like very much, or Rithvik. I did not even go to Hrithik's show in Amsterdam when I was the Indian Ambassador to the Netherlands. I love his performances on screen, and I did not want to meet him and possibly find that he was a pedestrian young man,and not interesting at all. I prefer him as Akbar.

The only movie star I have spent any time with - apart from Raj Kapoor when I was a little girl - was Amitabh Bachchan, at a very small dinner, and he was not pedestrian. Not at all. He had us in stitches with his funny stories of Abhishek at school in Switzerland, with long hair and earrings. He did not even blench when one of the very senior lady guests would only ask him about Dev Anand!

As for our PR stars, it is quite enough to watch them on screen, and I am not interested in whether Rithvik is dating Asha or Shruti or Jia, or all three ad seriatim. I only want him to get better lines and scenes, so that he does not end up forgetting how to act, poor boy. He has been shortchanged beyond belief, and my heart goes out to him.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

Oh ! Well thank u nirvan and shyamala for elucidating me ...normally i don't read any actor related articles as their personal life does not interest me but the Sanjay Dutt case interested me so i asked .