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Posted: 12 years ago
#71

Originally posted by: Dabulls23


<font color="#660099">Anum if I may call you that if that is OK or I have no issue addressing you with your id..</font>

<font color="#660099">On all 3 responses my views differ to yours so I will not respond as I see the whole thing differently than you do..</font>
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<font color="#660099">Though on other 2 previosposts of yoursI agrreed with you abt Onir...I cold very well answer them but in choosing to not respond to 3 points in redI am respecting the TM.. </font>
<em><font color="#660099">It was nice interacting with you...Have fun..catch u later..</font>

Its absolutely fine for you to call me by my name 😃

Our views have indeed differs from each other and I guess that's the whole fun of debating isn't it? It was nice interacting with you as well. See you in the next debates, maybe? 😉 bye!
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Shyamala, wanted to add that unfortunately it oft happens in love that one person needs the other more. Arjun needed Purvi, Ovi needed Arjun, Purvi needs Onir (now) and fortunately for her, Onir needs her as well.

I wanted to clarify that more than feeling unworthy of Arjun, I seriously think Purvi never thought he belonged to her. Her first ever show of vulnerability to him was when she was blindsided by his surprise engagement to Ovi. She was vocal, she was teary, she was fiery. He let her down then and after that instance, she veiled her doubts/weaknesses, she had her guard up even when she was frivolous in love, perhaps subconsciously realizing Arjun though stout of heart was weak in action.

With Onir, Purvi shows no such restraint, she weeps, she asks if she did the right thing, she seeks approval, she openly discloses her innermost feelings, & bares her soul. She trusts him to do the right thing by her & for her. Even when she left Kolkata, she knew their relationship would weather this storm (her monologue on the train).

Sadly, Purvi didn't trust Arjun to restore her mother's happiness. She did not distrust Arjun's love but she had no faith that he could set her (aai's) world right. Once bitten twice shy, perhaps the surprise engagement so soon after the confession took a toll on her belief in him to stand by her against all odds. However, I believe Purvi still cares for Arjun out of habit and a sense of guilt but that she will undoubtedly soon grow to love Onir as he deserves to be loved.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Aunty ji...😃 This was me when i read it...


Even i agree this is a pathetic track...why can't they make Ovi wake up, ask about her baby, Onir telling the truth and she starts screaming unable to accept the truth (as she has always gotten everything she wants-she is unable to accept the truth, this is Ovi after all) Onir gives her pain killers and knocks her down...after a few hours, she wakes up again and ask the same question where is my baby...Onir tells her again, she again does the same thing screaming and breaking things...Onir puts her down again...in between he visits Purvi and tells her what happens...Purvi is filled with guilt...she wants to she Ovi...Onir says, no i will take care of her u rest...Purvi say...no i...Onir say later he will take her...Purvi sleeps off-tired (like a normal mom would-i think 😆) Onir goes to see Ovi...and Ovi asks the same question...Onir finally understand that is going...Purvi is seeing Ovi's state from outside...Ovi is screaming for her child...Purvi comes in...Ovi goes to Purvi-who is on a wheelchair being pushed by a nurse-she conviced the nurse somehow (it's Purvi after all ) and ask where is my baby, Onir doesnt want to tell me...please please tell me my baby is ok right..please Purvi...i will do anything, just tell me my baby is fine...purvi is quiet...Ovi starts screaming, goes to Onir and holds his collar where is my baby...Purvi, can't see Ovi state any longer and says Ovi..and points to her child...Onir is shocked...Ovi is relieved...my baby...can i see my child, i know Arjun is with her right...Onir says no...Arjun had hit is head an is unconscious...he needed a small surgery...Ovi gets worried...Onir tells her don't worry he will be fine...Ovi says i want to see Arjun...Onir i will take u...i also want to see my baby...Onir looks at Purvi...Purvi is quiet...


I know aunty ji...the track is still very very pathetic...at least this way i can see forgive my stupid Purvi's giving her child away...somewhat not totally...


You are 100% right about Shakti and Asha's very well acting skills...i have fallen in love with Onir...i know too soon...but what can i say i just love his "mature love" for Purvi...and shakti has done a great job...

P/S :- Thank you so much for writting this...after all the bashing Onir as been getting this really made me smile...😃 and what a great job in your writting...👏👏👏 Thank you for taking the time and don't stop writting...
Edited by arjunaluis - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

This week, PR came back, perhaps fleetingly, and somewhat hesitantly, but nonetheless unambiguously, into its own. Amidst the cacophony of an predictable and dismal baby donation track, coupled with the sadness of having the other baby die, there was still something that lifted one's spirits and warmed the cockles of one's heart.

Then today, PR suddenly reached a high water mark in the best kind of melodrama, the kind that, however hyper and over the top, still manages to wring you inside out in empathy with the characters up there on the TV screen: Purvi, Onir and, as an immanent presence even off stage, hamara bachcha.

Growing gloom😭:I have spent the last several weeks, if not months, lamenting the demise of good sense, logic, and any semblance of coherence in PR and, saddest of all, the disappearance of the magic that had, last year, lit up this always pedestrian narrative. I watched in growing dismay as the characters I had grown to love, and whom I had sought to defend time and again against their detractors - Arjun in the first place, and then Purvi - were taken apart by the CVs and demolished beyond repair.

Recently, I had grown to like the only unsullied and consistently positive character in PR these days, Dr.Onir Dutt. But even his unwavering goodness could not save PR from the morass into which it was sinking deeper and deeper, as absurdity was piled on absurdity, and red herrings flitted across the stage, at times, as when the blackmailer was suddenly neutralized, exploding like fireworks in a shower of dying sparks.

Pathetic new track:Then came the baby donation track, first as a rumour and then, faithfully following past precedents wrt every such unpleasant 'rumoured' track over the past year, materializing on screen as well. There was a collective groan from this forum, uniting the fiercely warring groups in a shared distaste for the latest brainwave of the CVs. We watched the contrived accident, and Onir operating in two patients at the same time without even a surgeon's gown and, at one point, no nurses to assist him, with growing dismay. We spent time speculating about how he would manage, unless he could walk thru walls, to substitute Purvi's baby for Ovi's without being spotted by the nurses, not to speak of Arjun parked in the corridor outside both rooms. Purvi's anticipated decision to give away her baby to Ovi and Arjun was greeted with derision, and ridiculed as intended by the CVs to add another coat of gilt to Purvi's already resplendent halo of mahaanta.

Tyaag once more😡:When Purvi insisted on passing off her baby as Ovi's, during a long, harrowing scene yesterday between her and Onir, and she managed to bring him round to doing what she wants despite the horror with which he reacts at first, it seemed to be business as usual from Balaji. I concluded that this was another round of the periodic tyaags by Purvi, usually performed at the expense of the unfortunate man who happened to be blindly in love with her at that point of time. A man so besotted with her as to be unable to refuse her anything she demands of him.

That frightful day on the hilltop, it was Arjun. Yesterday, in the Hindu Sagar Clinic on the Mumbai-Pune highway, it was Onir. Against his professional code, against his better judgment, against his own deep affection for the child which was not his but was still, for him, hamara bachcha, Onir Dutt bent to the will of the woman he loves beyond reason and without any thought of return, and switched the live baby for the stillborn one.

Purvi & Onir:I watched Purvi's stony face as this track unfolded, cutting back and forth in time, and I could not understand how a mother could take the loss of her child, even if done voluntarily, with such stoicism. I resented the fact that though she knew full well how attached her husband had become to hamara bachcha, the child that she had assured him they would raise together, she gave not even a fleeting thought to the pain her decision would cause him. That just as, when she sacrificed Arjun, she thought of nothing but her aai, now too, when forcing Onir to do what horrified him, she thought of nothing but Ovi and Arjun.

Even when, at the end of yesterday's episode, she suddenly asked Onir to let her see her child, and then crumpled in tears near the incubator, my only feeling was of exasperation at this belated display of mamta, and a conviction that by the time she was done with him, Purvi would have got Onir struck off the medical rolls.

Onir was in top form this week, his expressive eyes reflecting his shifting moods effortlessly, whether it was his acute sense of guilt at not having been able to save Ovi's baby, or his misery at having lost hamara bachcha because he cannot, in the ultimate analysis, refuse his Mishti anything. Always underplaying his expressions, with no high pitched posturing. Instead, a degree of naturalness, a nuanced subtlety that is not often seen on TV, where excess is taken to be a virtue.When he tells Arjun that he has not been able to save hamara bachcha, the very flatness of the delivery speaks volumes, while his eyes dim over with grief. That the grief is not only for the loss of the child that he had come to assume would be his as well, but also at his having failed to keep his word to Arjun and Ovi and save their baby, is a secret between him and the audience.

But even Onir's virtuoso display could not quell the welling irritation I felt at this moronic track, with irresponsible and self-righteous folly masquerading as high virtue.

Redemption and catharsis:Then, today, suddenly, it all came together in a surging tide of genuine emotion that swept all these frustrations away, and drew, I am sure, all of us into a magic circle of shared sorrow and empathy with Purvi and Onir. 👏

Purvi today: Purvi finally brought out the gut-wrenching agony of a mother who cannot come to terms with the fact that she has lost her child, even if she has given it away of her own free will. The very unreasonableness and inconsistency with which she still refers to hamari beti, asks whether the child has been fed, and exclaims against Onir's wanting them to leave - how can they leave the child alone? - tug at one's heart. For it is this very inconsistency that rings true, and mirrors the desperation of maternal love faced with unbearable, if self-inflicted loss.

Purvi's scenes with Onir today were a high point as far as the actress was concerned; it was her best work so far in PR. He face ravaged by grief, her voice cracking under the strain, her heart rebelling against her head, Purvi struggles to cling to the (extremely foolish) step she has taken, or rather forced Onir to take. And we struggle with her. When she talks, in desperation, of wanting to be as strong as her aai, even I felt, for once, no anger at what her folly periodically brings down not only on herself, but on those who have the misfortune to love her more than they love themselves. Her grief was too deep for me to complain that it was all of her own making, and would only end in another disaster.

Onir today: What of Onir? No praise would be too much for him today, and this is for both the character and the actor. Onir has always been a tower of strength for his Mishti, no matter what the odds, but today, he surpassed himself. He is there for her every instant, never letting her sink into despair, but also not letting her stray into forbidden paths that can only lead to exposure and worse misery all round.

He talks to her in coaxing, supportive tones, but he talks more sense than anyone else in the gallery of poseurs that is PR. He is blunt where he needs to be, and he forces Purvi to face the harsh reality of the choice she has made, and which she now needs to learn to live with. But he does this without bruising her spirit or weakening her further, for she knows that he is always there for her no matter what happens. When he cradles her in his arms as he would a weary child, and comforts her ever so gently, one realizes anew the depth of his love and caring for this woman, for which he expects nothing in return.

If anyone from her foolish family had ever talked to Ovi with even half the clear good sense and gentle firmness that Onir showed today when pulling Purvi back to rationality, why then, PR might have been saved long, long ago!

I do not know what else the CVs have in store for us in the weeks to come, except that it is unlikely to be pleasant. It is entirely possible that the emotional high from today's episode will be washed out by a fresh tide of scripting follies and petty melodrama. But for today, one can bask in the warmth of some superlative acting, and the pleasure of watching scenes that, for once, had an immediacy, a genuineness, and a real connect with us, the viewers, despite the high pitched drama and a story track that defied both credibility and commonsense. This is the kind of cleansing emotion that the Greeks called catharsis.

We needed this catharsis. It has, as you see, made me break my own resolution never again to post about PR. I do not regret that, and I do hope you do not either. Even if you do, while I would apologise, I would still do it all over again, while reassuring you that I do not intend to make a habit of it!

Shyamala B.Cowsik


Shyamala...I remember now..when i read this the first time, it did make me want to watch the episode...something i hadn't done in a very long time. Your description of the raw emotion - both written well and acted well - seems to raise the level of the show to one that could elicit praise. 😆

It sounds like there was a genuineness as you mentioned...one that real people could connect with...a depth that has been so sadly lacking by the nonsense of recent weeks and months. But..i might add, that depth and authenticity was there once upon a time..at the beginning and mixed in here and there over the stretch.

So...now you hooked me. It's late into the evening here, and i am preparing to turn in for the night, but will watch it over the week-end as I said earlier.

I am intrigued. If they will begin to show that actions do have consequences - real ones, and painful ones...if they begin to show the depth of those resultant emotions like those you have described...i might just be tempted to start watching again. 😕 But then I'm a sucker for emotional ploys, and it could be only that on the part of the CV's...something to draw us back in again. (Which, in my opinion, makes their scripting tricks even more maddening and disgusting...if they really are capable of delivering substance, why do they offer us only drivel and poorly written drivel at that.

Thanks for a good post Shyamala...and for calling my attention to it again.

Edited by naava - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Dear Naava,

Thanks for taking the trouble to read this post again, and I am glad you liked it. I hope that when you have watched the 2 episodes of Tuesday and Wednesday, the second being far better than the first, you will be able to share what I felt.

I have never thought too much of Asha as a dramatic actress, but she managed to surprise me. The thing was that she made no attempt to look pretty when she was crying. She was a red eyed mess, and that helped as far the strength of the performance went. The part on Wednesday when she kneels down next to the incubator and dissolves into tears, and then gets up and clings to Onir, seeking reassurance that what she had done was the right thing - that was a tour de force for both of them. The other thing is that both the actors seem to have reached a high comfort level with each other. There is not the slightest hint of awkwardness or of holding back.


The two of them were good today as well; the scene when she asks whether she cannot stay a whole longer, and he looks at her wordlessly till she gives up, was excellent, better than the high tension one where he is forced to shout at her that her baby is dead. He is now between a rock and a hard place, is Onir, but he is not the type to cut and run. no matter what happens. I thought Manav asking him yesterday to promise that he would never abandon Purvi (he is her husband, and where does the possibility of his abandoning her arise at all? It was obviously a heavy handed attempt to educate the audience) was meant to be a harbinger of an HDDCS style track to come up at some point.

@red.
Either they use the good passages as bait (for whom, and how will it work if tripe follows as surely as night follows day?),or else there are talented CVs too, and when they get a look in on PR, we get episodes like those of earlier this week. As for me, I fast forward the Savita,the Khandesias, Sunny and Teju sections, which saves me some wear and tear on my nerves!

Shyamala

Originally posted by: naava

Shyamala...I remember now..when i read this the first time, it did make me want to watch the episode...something i hadn't done in a very long time. Your description of the raw emotion - both written well and acted well - seems to raise the level of the show to one that could elicit praise. 😆


It sounds like there was a genuineness as you mentioned...one that real people could connect with...a depth that has been so sadly lacking by the nonsense of recent weeks and months. But..i might add, that depth and authenticity was there once upon a time..at the beginning and mixed in here and there over the stretch.

So...now you hooked me. It's late into the evening here, and i am preparing to turn in for the night, but will watch it over the week-end as I said earlier.

I am intrigued. If they will begin to show that actions do have consequences - real ones, and painful ones...if they begin to show the depth of those resultant emotions like those you have described...i might just be tempted to start watching again. 😕 But then I'm a sucker for emotional ploys, and it could be only that on the part of the CV's...something to draw us back in again. (Which, in my opinion, makes their scripting tricks even more maddening and disgusting...if they really are capable of delivering substance, why do they offer us only drivel and poorly written drivel at that.

Thanks for a good post Shyamala...and for calling my attention to it again.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Abhi my dear,

You really are a poppet! And your track is a good one, more plausible than the one they used, but I think the one they chose was more what Purvi would do, and in a jiffy.

For me, Onir is the only appealing character in PR right now, and then I have a weakness for genuinely good people, in real and reel life. I am thus very glad that you share my approach to Onir. As I have said before, I feel that he is getting a raw deal for no fault of his, the most common refrain being 'He is unrealistic, and is too good to be true". If Mahatma Gandhi were to turn up now, I am sure he would be described in identical terms!! I have tried to refute this facile and oft-repeated take on Onir repeatedly, most recently in a post to Jyothi above, but I am sure it is a hardy perennial that will soon assume the status of revealed truth!

Asha is always bright and very charming, but I have never thought of her as a dramatic actress.However, this week she managed to surprise me. The thing was that she made no attempt to look pretty when she was crying. She was a red eyed mess, and that helped as far the strength of the performance went. The part on Wednesday when she kneels down next to the incubator and dissolves into tears, and then gets up and clings to Onir, seeking reassurance that what she had done was the right thing - that was a tour de force for both of them. The other thing is that both the actors seem to have reached a high comfort level with each other. There is not the slightest hint of awkwardness or of holding back.

The two of them were good today as well; the scene when she asks whether she cannot stay a whole longer, and he looks at her wordlessly till she gives up, was excellent, better than the high tension one where he is forced to shout at her that her baby is dead. He is now between a rock and a hard place, is Onir, but he is not the type to cut and run. no matter what happens.

Incidentally, I am puzzled by what it means when Manav gets a promise from Onir that no matter what happens,tum Purvi ka saath nahin chhodoge. Not use khush rakhoge, which would be normal, but uska saath nahin chhodoge.

I do not know how much one can rely on such a passage, but it was an odd but significant insertion. Firstly, the commitment was obtained by Manav, Purvi's baba, and it should thus be important. Secondly, it was forced on the audience like a conjuror forces a card while showing a card trick.

Now Onir is Purvi's legally wedded husband. So where does the question of his abandoning her in a crunch situation arise? The whole segment thus seemed to be there only to educate the audience about what the CVs might have in mind. That is to say, a HDDCS style track for Purvi. At least so it seems at this point. Let us see. I am not too bothered about it; I enjoyed PR this week after a long time, and I am content with that! As for me, I fast forward the Savita,the Khandesias, Sunny and Teju sections, which saves me some wear and tear on my nerves!

Take care, my dear.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: arjunaluis


Aunty ji... This was me when i read it...

Even i agree this is a pathetic track...why can't they make Ovi wake up, ask about her baby, Onir telling the truth and she starts screaming unable to accept the truth (as she has always gotten everything she wants-she is unable to accept the truth, this is Ovi after all) Onir gives her pain killers and knocks her down...after a few hours, she wakes up again and ask the same question where is my baby...Onir tells her again, she again does the same thing screaming and breaking things...Onir puts her down again...in between he visits Purvi and tells her what happens...Purvi is filled with guilt...she wants to she Ovi...Onir says, no i will take care of her u rest...Purvi say...no i...Onir say later he will take her...Purvi sleeps off-tired (like a normal mom would-i think ) Onir goes to see Ovi...and Ovi asks the same question...Onir finally understand that is going...Purvi is seeing Ovi's state from outside...Ovi is screaming for her child...Purvi comes in...Ovi goes to Purvi-who is on a wheelchair being pushed by a nurse-she conviced the nurse somehow (it's Purvi after all ) and ask where is my baby, Onir doesnt want to tell me...please please tell me my baby is ok right..please Purvi...i will do anything, just tell me my baby is fine...purvi is quiet...Ovi starts screaming, goes to Onir and holds his collar where is my baby...Purvi, can't see Ovi state any longer and says Ovi..and points to her child...Onir is shocked...Ovi is relieved...my baby...can i see my child, i know Arjun is with her right...Onir says no...Arjun had hit is head an is unconscious...he needed a small surgery...Ovi gets worried...Onir tells her don't worry he will be fine...Ovi says i want to see Arjun...Onir i will take u...i also want to see my baby...Onir looks at Purvi...Purvi is quiet...


I know aunty ji...the track is still very very pathetic...at least this way i can see forgive my stupid Purvi's giving her child away...somewhat not totally...

You are 100% right about Shakti and Asha's very well acting skills...i have fallen in love with Onir...i know too soon...but what can i say i just love his "mature love" for Purvi...and shakti has done a great job...

P/S :- Thank you so much for writting this...after all the bashing Onir as been getting this really made me smile...😉and what a great job in your writting...👏👏👏 Thank you for taking the time and don't stop writting...

Edited by sashashyam - 12 years ago
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My dear Jonelle,

Thank you for wading thru my mini-Ramayana, and then taking the trouble to write in with your comments.

You know, I never was an admirer of Purvi as a character, and of late I have been walloping her pretty freely, but now I am actually beginning to feel a teeny weeny bit protective towards her! I think it is the pity one feels for the one at the receiving end so consistently, for there are still so many things I do not at all like about the way she goes on, my friend Janhvi's delightfully worded explanations notwithstanding.But your @blue is priceless! I have not laughed so much in a while.

No, no, Jonelle, I can't let you be so harsh to poor Onir. As a matter of fact, that ought to be Poor Onir, for there was never such a man for looking out for everyone except himself. Even for Ovi. I think he feels he has no real rights to hamara bachcha, and so he does not assert any, but, no he does not fall in line for the reason you have mentioned, and in fact I feel that you do not believe that either; it is only a mischievous line thrown out to rile people! He would have loved to have had the baby, and when he kisses it goodbye, the sadness of the loss is so evident. It was of course very wrong of him to have indulged his Mishti in her mad idea, but what can a mere man do against a Circe?

I think Ovi has really changed, and as for her being punished for what she did to Arjun-Purvi, why, if Manju and Punni and Savita and Vinod and a whole host of others in the PR gallery of weirdos can be forgiven for their sins and rehabilitated, why not Ovi? At least she has not thrown her mother/mother-in-law out on the streets! But if I was she, and had Purvi breathing down my neck all the time and wailing about meri beti, I would take some drastic action.

I am now left wondering what Purvi will now be up to in Mumbai. I hope she finds someone else whose life and soul she can save, at least for the sake of Onir, who, otherwise, is going to waste away under the strain of keeping his Mishti in line!

Shyamala

Originally posted by: jonelle

Shyamala dear

What a great post. I must admit that i agreed with yours and many other replies on this topic.
First of all i have to get this out of the way i personally have no sympathy for Purvi absolutely none i can never feel sorry for a woman who don't give a darn about her own child. Who didn't even think twice about her ridiculous decision. And the future of her child What is it that Ovi did for her that she owes her entire life to Ovi. Suppose Arjun dies ( not wishing) will Purvi give Onir to Ovi too???. This girl thinks she own's everyone that loves her or she loves. But it seems she loves no one not even her own kid.👎🏼 Man i can forgive Purvi for lots of other madness but this baby donation i cant forgive her for. Those buckets of tears she's shedding isn't gonna undo what she already did. She has to live with the fact that she is a horrible mother and doesn't deserve to be a mother period (sorry to those who thinks i'm being too harsh). 😳

Onir i still don't understand him i don't know if i ever will. He seems to be a notch higher than Purvi when it comes to giving away their belongings.😡 That baby belonged to him and Purvi i'm sure he made a promise to be the child father so therefore has equal rights on this baby and decisions making about this child life and future. But when it comes to the donation part he didn't stood his grounds he didn't remind his misti that he was the child's father and has a say in weather they should give the baby to Ovi and Arjun he did not protest against this so therefore neither of them care for the baby . I'm sure he want misti all for him self so getting rid of the kid was no big deal for him cause now misti is all his and there are many more babies where that one came from. This doc has his work cut out. I know many on this forum love him but sorry i cant understand him And i don't like him period.

Ovi i have nothing to say about her in this whole mess cause she did not ask Purvi to give her baby to her Purvi did that herself. So for a change i have nothing to say about Ovi Still don't like her though don't think i ever will.
My POV of course.

Edited by sashashyam - 12 years ago
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My dear Sheena,

Thank you, my dear girl, for taking the time to read this lo..ong post and then comment on it. But you see, I wrote it,and totally on impulse, only because the performances by Shakti and Asha impressed me so much. So, I would suggest that you watch the episodes of Tuesday and Wednesday online, for without that, my post will be, no matter how much you like my writing style, only another version of a written update. After you have done that, I would be greatly interested in your take on the acting by both of them.

My wrist is now getting to be painful; I have been overdoing it for the last 2 days. So I will keep it brief (!?!).

I do not mean that PR as a whole has now been redeemed; I have made it very clear that I expect the old follies to resurface very soon. But these episodes were redeemed by the quality of the acting. Shakti was a revelation, and while Asha is always bright and very charming, but I have never thought of her as a dramatic actress.However, this week she managed to surprise me. The thing was that she made no attempt to look pretty when she was crying. She was a red eyed mess, and that helped as far the strength of the performance went. The part on Wednesday when she kneels down next to the incubator and dissolves into tears, and then gets up and clings to Onir, seeking reassurance that what she had done was the right thing - that was a tour de force for both of them. The other thing is that both the actors seem to have reached a high comfort level with each other. There is not the slightest hint of awkwardness or of holding back.

The two of them were good today as well; the scene when she asks whether she cannot stay a while longer, and he looks at her wordlessly till she gives up, was excellent, better than the high tension one where he is forced to shout at her that her baby is dead. He is now between a rock and a hard place, is Onir, but he is not the type to cut and run. no matter what happens.

Sheena, if you say once more that "Onir seems too good to be true", I will take advantage of being an aunty and wallop you!😉I never expected you to echo this all too common refrain 'He is unrealistic, and is too good to be true". If Mahatma Gandhi were to turn up now, I am sure he would be described in identical terms!! I have tried to refute this facile and oft-repeated take on Onir repeatedly, most recently in a post to Jyothi above, but I am sure it is a hardy perennial that will soon assume the status of revealed truth. There ARE such people in real life, you know, and for the sake of mankind, which is deteriorating so fast, I do hope there are more of them. Why is it that you cannot believe in pure goodness? Try, it is good for us to be able to do so, even if we cannot reach those standards. And in any case, Onir is not free of his share of follies, and he is pilloried then for NOT being perfect. The rest of the time, he is pilloried FOR being perfect. It is a lose-lose situation for him, and for consistency as well.

Purvi is hard to take these days, but Asha made even those OTT scenes accessible,though yesterday's wailing and screaming exercise near the incubator defeated even her developing abilities. For the good actors in PR, it is like dodging the CVs all the time and hoping they do not get clobbered with lousy lines. Occasionally, they do manage to dodge them,and then we have these episodes that I liked so much. So they are cause for celebration, that is all.

I agree that Arjun has been reduced to near nonentity of late, but Ekta is a shrewd woman, and I expect that he will soon be salvaged at least in part. the problem is that the CVs have boxed him into a weak avatar, and I do not see how they will get him out of that. Getting him back with Purvi by hook or by crook is not the solution; she will look like an ungrateful wretch and I do not see her doing that at all, even if Ovi gave up Arjun and Onir was ready to let her go. I think it is going the HDDCS way. Let us see.

Affectionately,

Shyamala Aunty


Originally posted by: WanderingBeauty

Shyamala Aunty,

I have given up watching the show a long time ago and hence whatever I state is solely based on what I read in the forum including the WUs! As I don't watch the show anymore, I have no right to comment on the actors but I would like to give my two cents on the matter and of course, the characters!

First of all, what a wonderful write-up! I completely agree with the beginning of the post but there has been no redemption for me! Certain things can't be restored back to what it had once been irrespective of the amount of effort one puts into it! For me, the show has lost its charm a long while ago and no matter what happens, I won't be able to connect with the characters the way I once did!

I have maintained since beginning that Onir seems too good to be true. He seems so good that he hardly appears real; as if it is only a matter of time till he vanishes into thin air! But recently, his perfection seems to have developed a dent. He has already broken his medical ethics and it seems he won't even hesitate to commit a murder for his dearest mishti, though he might try to talk her out of it. I do have a tendency to like sensible characters but sadly, he doesn't fit the bill!

Coming to Purvi, I don't know what to say about her anymore! She never fails to surprise me; in the perfectly wrong way of course! I have never succeeded in forgiving her for the mess she made out of poor Arjun nor will I ever succeed in forgiving her for what she is going to do to her baby!

Does Purvi actually have a right to play God? And more importantly, doesn't Ovi and Arjun have a right to know about their child's condition and mourn over it? What I hate about her is her way of actions. She hardly lets anyone have a say in the matter irrespective of how much it concerns them or might affect them in future. She herself decides what is good for them and sets out working on it which in my opinion is not always the right thing to do! She could have let Ovi know the truth and then offered her child (which Ovi wouldn't have accepted or given what she did during the wedding fiasco, would have). But she being the self-proclaimed goddess she is, she decides that Ovi would be unable to handle the truth and donates or may I say sacrifices the baby adding another feather to her crown.

Arjun has been reduced to a side-character nowadays who hardly has a say in the whole matter! So is Manav, Archana and the other long list of characters! They say that history repeats itself and I will hardly be surprised if the whole scenario of the baby donation is enacted once again with a new set of characters.

Once again, brilliantly written!
Love,
-Sheena!

Edited by sashashyam - 12 years ago
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My dear Anum,

Of course he should, and it would not need audacity, just quiet firmness. But then, in most people, love makes you weak,and even the best of them succumb,whether it is an impulsive boy like Arjun on the hilltop, or a much more mature Onir now.

Anum, one has to have pity for such failings, and not pillory people for them. It would have been far better for Onir to have put his foot down with Purvi and read her the riot act, but she is his greatest weakness. He is not a young man in love, you see. He is someone who was perfectly happy with his patients and his idealism, till one day this girl came along and turned his well ordered world topsy turvy. When love hits an otherwise unlikely candidate like that, it hits him very hard. Now he cannot bear to see her unhappy, and that warps his judgement.

Even then, he is more sensible and firm in lecturing her post facto about the need, once she has made this decision, to stay the course, and yesterday he snaps her out of her hysteria sharply and decisively. But he is going to have a very tough time with this unstable and inconsistent girl, to keep her from exposing what she wants above all to hide.

As for your @blue, I agree with Varsha. Onir does not know any of the details, except for what Purvi tells him, of course from her own perspective. But he grasps the main factor, that it was not Arjun's fault, which is why he goes and apologises to him the next day.

As for the baby, I think he feels he has no real rights to hamara bachcha, and so he does not assert any. He is wrong, for it was not a matter of his having a right or not. He should have stopped her regardless, if only to avoid all the trouble to come which he, being a sensible man, would have foreseen. Unfortunately, his heart rules his head.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: Manoshono

Shayamala Aunty

Why can't a person have the audacity to say "No" for the things he believes are wrong? Why did Onir not use his commone sense, his firm attitude against his wife's pleading eyes? Why did he got sway with the deal so easily? OK, for once lets forget about him being a doctor or a husband that would not allow him to go against his personal rules. Why didnt he make her understand out of humanity? Why didn't he, for once stand as a friend and tried to explain the worse outcomes behind Purvi's deliberant decisions? That should have made him being neutral at least.

When Onir knew how Purvi have made Arjun suffer for nothing, and made him to do things that wasnt right, then why did Onir still contined to give away what Purvi was demanding? Isnt Arjun's example was enough for him to get the idea, that he shouldnt be following his footsteps? But see it all comes to the end when one questions, who to blame? This is what PR is for. Its an unsolved riddle. Harder to get and easy to blame.


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My dear Soumya,

I am always glad to see you, and I am very pleased that you liked this post.

Thank you for taking such a rational stand on Onir. Your @blue is spot on, and I have always wondered at the heedless inconsistency of those who pillory him first for being perfect and "too good to be true" - they would say the same about Mahatma Gandhi if he were to be miraculously restored to us - and then again for his mistakes and thus for not being perfect. It is a lose-lose situation for him, and for consistency as well.

As for his not being 'interesting', I don't mind, so long as he acts as well as on Tuesday and Wednesday last. Moreover, I do not think he is as uncomplicated as he seems at first sight; when Manav is telling him how lucky Purvi is to have got a husband like him, there was a shadow, soon gone, of deep, mocking bitterness in his eyes.

It would of course have been far better for him to have put his foot down with Purvi and read her the riot act, but she is his greatest weakness. He is not a young man in love, you see. He is someone who was perfectly happy with his patients and his idealism, till one day this girl came along and turned his well ordered world topsy turvy. When love hits an otherwise unlikely candidate like that, it hits him very hard. Now he cannot bear to see her unhappy, and that warps his judgement.That is what makes him interesting, for lack of a better word.

Even then, as you too have pointed out, he is very sensible and firm in lecturing her post facto about the need, once she has made this decision, to stay the course. And yesterday he snaps her out of her hysteria sharply and decisively. But he is going to have a very tough time with this unstable and inconsistent girl, to keep her from exposing what she wants above all to hide.

I too liked Ovi, and Shruti, in the last few episodes, and I for one do not believe that she is going to change back into a temperamental shrew. As for her being punished for what she did to Arjun-Purvi (apart from the fact that they did it to themselves), why, if Manju and Punni and Savita and Vinod and a whole host of others in the PR gallery of weirdos can be forgiven for their sins and rehabilitated, why not Ovi? At least she has not thrown her mother/mother-in-law out on the streets!

But if I was she, and had Purvi breathing down my neck all the time and wailing about meri beti, I would take some drastic action.

Purvi has been hard to take for months now. This week, Asha made even those OTT scenes accessible,though yesterday's wailing and screaming exercise near the incubator defeated even her developing abilities. For the good actors in PR, it is like dodging the CVs all the time and hoping they do not get clobbered with lousy lines. Occasionally, they do manage to dodge them,and then we have these episodes that I liked so much. So they are cause for celebration, that is all.

I am now left wondering what Purvi will now be up to in Mumbai. I hope she finds someone else whose life and soul she can save, at least for the sake of Onir, who, otherwise, is going to waste away under the strain of keeping his Mishti in line!

As for me, once I have finished responding to all those who were good enough to write and comment on this post of mine, I plan to rest my wrist, no matter what happens on PR. It is now yelling out for that.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: sowmya_jairam

Shyamala Aunty,

What a beautiful write-up! And i loved reading all the other posts as well. I think this track has given a lot of scope for all four characters, though arjun's the least explored so far. He'll probably get his chance when he's feeling conflicted between the love and happiness at having his baby and guilt at purvi and onir having lost their's. Ovi did a great job when she woke up after the accident; asking for her baby, thanking onir, talking to purvi--all subtle and not OTT. Purvi's reactions the last two episodes have been much, much better; she and Onir both have done very very well these last two episodes. Onir especially with his silent grief, that's neither loud nor unexpressed, but exactly what you would expect from a man like him. His guilt at not being able to save ovi's baby, and his softness in handling his baby are all very well expressed and acted out by Shakti.

I didn't think Onir's characterization was unreal, but I didn't find it interesting either. He was this super-positive and nice guy who had his priorities right even though he gave away unsolicited advice to patients and their husbands 😆, and who actually had the gall to refuse his mishti "the purvi" the first time round 😲 But of course, he came around and became the increasing obedient, patient, and boring nice guy who didn't bat an eyelid at all the drama and truths about his mishti unraveling at lightning speed. He's still the same, agreeing to purvi's crazy and unnecessary idea of swapping babies, but at least he had the sense (after an accident and two different surgeries/deliveries😃) to remind her that she had given the baby away and now it was no more theirs. She didn't get it, but at least he tried. And I hope he keeps trying, or has the sense to tell her firmly that it was still not too late to tell the truth if she thought she couldn't go through with the decision but if she did, she has to stick to it. His heart's in the right place, and it's good to see he doesn't lose all his senses even when it comes to his mishti either 😛 And isn't it interesting that some people find him too flawless to be real and therefore unacceptable/unlikeable, but then point out his flaws/crimes regards the baby and purvi but still don't accept that he's a really real, nice guy but with his own flaws 😉

Finally, I have no sympathies for purvi. While earlier, I had blamed all three-Ovi, arjun and purvi-equally in the wedding fiasco. Here, I will blame only Purvi. Arjun and Ovi don't even know what she's done, and Onir will not now lay claim to the baby once he's announced the baby is arjun and Ovi's. If Ovi had begged purvi to give her baby or purvi had told ovi that she could raise her baby, Ovi would have the choice to accept or reject the idea keeping in mind Purvi is the baby's biological mother and can stake her claim to it anytime. Instead, she makes the decision for them that they will raise her baby, but will then hover around them trying to assert her "mamta". If she keeps her distance from the baby, and is forced to come back because of a stupid reason like the cliche'd "baby needs a bone marrow transplant and only the genetically identical sibling can save her" idea; then yes, I will appreciate that she can at least stick to a decision she made. Pretty sure that's not going to happen though. Her's is a character I've never ever been able to connect with, and I doubt it's going to change anytime soon.

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